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openIs it possible to create a series on TV Tropes?
I was wondering if someone can make a series on TV Tropes itself. What I mean is: not a work page about a pre-created series, but an actual series created on TV Tropes. I saw in the How to Create a Work Page... page that tropers can trope even things that don't exist (yet) in a Just for Fun page, like the TV Tropes: The Webcomic page. So how about creating an actual series using TV Tropes as a medium?
open Large Ham and Milikng the Giant Cow
Is Milking the Giant Cow a necessary part of Large Ham trope? Page itself says that, for example, shouting at the top of the lungs isn't, and any ' 'boisterous' ' expression of character's emotion including intense gesticulation by this logic would be too. Cold Ham trope and some examples imply that too. But Large Ham trope page in the part where it is discussed says something like "and Milking the Giant Cow to no small degree"... So i'm confused. What's the actual truth?
Note:I've already made this question and nobode replied.
openUnilateral restoration of "1001 Movies You Must See Before You Die" list
Back in January, there was an ATT thread that moved to delete the list of films on Literature.One Thousand And One Movies You Must See Before You Die for potential copyright infringement, with Tabs actually deleting the list (courtesy link to page history
). jamespolk made a null edit protesting the decision in the edit reason and arguing that it constituted fair use, but only went as far as expressing a hope that the list might be restored some day (and copy/pasting the list to their Troper Wall/ page).
Well, last week, editor TompaDompa
(whose troper page identifies them as the original creator of the page)note Although the page history only goes back to 2019; it was cut for just being a list of the films and nothing else, but TompaDompa successfully petitioned for its restoration in ATT.
decided to restore the list with the edit reason "Agree with the previous editor. Should be no more of a problem than listing the Academy Award winners and nominees, which we also do (though the show itself is obviously copyrighted)." As near as I can tell, this was not discussed anywhere (the Discussion page is empty, and I can't find anything in either ATT or the forums).
Should the list be re-deleted? And if so, is there a suitable notifier to send TompaDompa?
openAwesomeMusic.AwesomeMusic
Why does this redirect exist? As far as I can tell from related pages and a bit of changing myself, it's barely used and seems really redundant when compared to a massive number of articles that use SugarWiki.Awesome Music instead. Should this get cut and links changed?
openLarge Ham and Milikng the Giant Cow
Is Milking the Giant Cow a necessary part of Large Ham trope? Page itself says that, for example, shouting at the top of the lungs isn't, and any ' 'boisterous' ' expression of character's emotion including intense gesticulation by this logic would be too. Cold Ham trope and some examples imply that too. But Large Ham trope page in the part where it is discussed says something like "and Milking the Giant Cow to no small degree"... So i'm confused. What's the actual truth?
Edited by DopamineMess-14-qqopenX-Men Mutant Academy 2? Videogame
So, X-Men Mutant Academy 2 has no page, and it looks like it was cut. But also, the Mutant Academy 1 page has no info on 2 (and itself only has 2 tropes). The big differences between 1 and 2 are an expanded roster, including a secret guest character in Spider-Man and expanded game mechanics, but that's still worth troping it, at least I think. What would be better, re-making the Mutant Academy 2 page, or consolodating the existing page for 1 to cover both of them?
Next Dimension (which is basically MA 3) has its own page, but that makes sense as it's a vastly different game than the other 2.
openContested entry
So on the page for hijacked destiny, there's this entry:
- Happens inadvertently in the Star Wars Continuity Reboot. The Skywalker bloodline ultimately ended having accomplished nothing and The Unchosen One Rey, descendant of the very person it was created to destroy, saves the day on her own and rubs salt in the wound by taking their name for herself in an attempt to honor their sacrifice.
It was originally added
by stankykong
, then removed
by DJones662
for being "A VERY Opinion-based example that honestly would be better fitted in a YMMV folder." It was restored
by gjjones
but was just deleted
again by WalkerBRiley
with the reason "Removed for being biased beyond all reason. Come up with a way to write it without sounding like a jilted lover and maybe I won't keep deleting it."
Technically this doesn't count as an edit war since it isn't the same Tropers doing the editing, but this is being contested by several Tropers and probably needs to be taken to a proper discussion page? (Also, I feel like the "jilted lover" comment was unnecessarily rude. Should a rudeness notifier be sent?)
openRangers Live Action TV
I just signed up and would like to add to this folder. There are several prominant TV shows featuring rangers that are not yet included and I'd like to add them.
The Lone Ranger Walker, Texas Ranger Laredo Trackdown
In movies there is also the Comancheros In Western Animation there is the series Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers.
I'm happy to make the additions myself but don't see a way to do that. Is there a tutorial?
open Capitalizing 'Black Mirror: Arkangel'
Individual recap subpages of Black Mirror have a directory up top. The one for season 4 looks like this, with bolded text for the page you're on:
[[WMG:[[center:[-Recap: Black Mirror Series Four USS Callister | ArkAngel | Crocodile | Hang the DJ | Metalhead | Black Museum-]]]]]
A while ago
I changed the capitalization of the episode title "ArkAngel" to "Arkangel" in the directory of all s4 episodes, citing this trailer
. That's also how it's referred to on Wikipedia
, IMDB
, the BM wiki
, reviews [1]
[2]
and most importantly, the release platform Netflix itself (I just checked).
Nevertheless, the capitalization has been switched back to the old one on all the s4 recap pages by Tropers/rjung (whom I will be PM'ing to come here).
This seems like a clear-cut revert, any objections?
Edited by Synchronicityopen Potential agenda editing
So in Trans Audience Interpretation there's an entry regarding Naoto from Persona 4 being interpreted as trans, which says:
- Persona 4: Naoto Shirogane had an infamous character arc and dungeon level centered on gender issues, complete with a laboratory and gender reassignment imagery. The game confirms that Naoto is actually female, with some Values Dissonance about career-related gender roles that didn't translate cross-culturally. Regardless, many disregard what the game itself says because Naoto being trans has more potential to explore.
(Note that the entry was reworded per the complaining thread
.)
After I edited that entry with the one suggested on the thread, user gorobestboy deleted some lines regarding the interpretation
with no edit reason. So I'm concerned that there is some agenda going on here.
openEdit War on Music.SubstanceJoyDivisionAlbum
Update: after further discussions with David Delony in PMs, I got permission to re-remove the Cover Version point, and did so accordingly. Since the re-adding was simply due to them forgetting that it had been removed, I think the issue here can be considered resolved.
Original Post When I created Music.Substance Joy Division Album back in 2019, I included
- Cover Version: "Dead Souls" would later receive a popular cover by Nine Inch Nails for the soundtrack to The Crow.
Later, David Delony expanded the point so that it reads as follows
- Cover Version: "Dead Souls" would later receive a popular cover by Nine Inch Nails for the soundtrack to The Crow. "Love Will Tear Us Apart" has also been covered frequently, with versions by Paul Young and folk singer June Tabor, among others.
Some time later, I elected to move
- Cover Version: "Love Will Tear Us Apart" has become something of a standard and thus has attracted a number of cover versions in many different genres. It's been covered by Paul Young and folk singer June Tabor, among others.
For reference, the Referenced by… point is exactly as I left it. Edited by bowserbros
open Rape it's actually seduction
Let's see if i get this straigth, forcing yourself on a person that's terrified of you is seduction and not rape? That's what Morrigan Aensland from darkstalkers does, but apparently some users "opinion" is that it's seduction so they called me out for "deleiting someone's opinion" and i assume deleted my edits. I mean don't get me wrong, i respect the opinion of other people, but if you think forcing yourself on someone it's seduction and not rape...
openQuestion about modified pictures
Hello, dear tropers. Currently, I'm working on a russian translation of TV Tropes and I have question about pictures taken from comics(either web or paper, doesn't matter). The thing is that since they content writings in english and they are also illustrations of certain tropes, it's needed that they have to be translated in russian to make viewer understand. Yeah, i can translate 'em in description below the picture, but I thought that it would be better if image itself contains translated text. So i need to erase text in it and then write text in russian. On TV Tropes, is this legal and acceptable?
Edited by DopamineMess-14-qqopenTroping reality TV shows (e.g. Drag Race) - contestants, presenters and judges Live Action TV
So...
Following on from this post
on the Character Page Cleanup Thread, and this earlier Creator Page Cleanup
discussion, there seems to be a grey area with regard to troping reality TV.
Administrivia.Real Life Troping clearly says:
So, looking at something like RuPaul's Drag Race -
- I can see that the competing drag queens (who have very carefully constructed personas) can potentially be troped as characters in their drag identities.
- ...but do we trope the judges and others (e.g. the 'pit crew' teams, who have no alter ego and are scantily-dressed support staff) - we have character page tropes entries for them all, and things like Age-Gap Romance and Token Minority (for the only straight guy) troped for the real people. That feels like a step too far.
- We also have Characters page examples for things like Older Than They Look (no Real Life) for RuPaul, Berserk Button (referencing her Real Life childhood bullying) for judge Michelle Visage and similar examples from the contestants' real pre-show, offscreen lives. In some cases I'm not sure they've even been directly mentioned in the work itself.
I know an awful lot of effort's gone into some of the pages, and I don't want to make major changes without a consensus (which didn't really happen with the previous forum threads, hence this post) - the one comment on the last post seemed to agree that this crossed into NRLEP, though.
What are people's views?
Edited by Mrph1openHaving some trouble indexing a page
i'm trying to add Grand Theft Auto Online to the indexes Grand Theft Auto V appears on, and i've run into a snag trying to get it to appear indexed on The Seventh Generation Of Console Video Games
despite adding it to the list, the index does not appear on the page itself. i don't know if this has anything to do with the fact that the 7th gen console page has a pair of index tags around every IP listed on there, instead of across larger swathes of the page (for reasons i'm not going to begin to understand)
in any case, i'm pretty sure i put GTAO's page between index tags properly, but it's still not working. i'm not sure if i'm missing something incredibly obvious here or what.
openSelf-Reporting Edit War
I've been cleaning the Funny.RWBY page of Moments misuse (specifically: scene summaries, character reactions and using quotes as examples). Because I was cleaning up Moments misuse, and not removing audience reaction examples, I didn't check the History page first. I've received a PM pointing out that I've edit warred on the page.
After double-checking the page history, that's correct; I have.
The Volume 9 entries were originally added
by cybertoy0. I removed
them as part of a larger clean-up of the page for being summaries, character reactions and quotes instead of examples. He added some of them back
, and I removed them
for the same reason, also as part of the clean-up I was continuing to do today.
That was stupid of me, and I know better, but the damage is done.
Edited by WyldchyldopenIs this really Woolseyism? Web Original
I found this in Manga Soprano. To my understanding a Woolseyism is a change that people like but I think this example is just "Blind Idiot" Translation.
In the Japanese version
So what do I do with this example?
Edited by mickey96openExcessive AlternateCharacterInterpretation + troper with an agenda
I'm bringing this up to address an issue of a character being troped based exclusively on Alternate Character Interpretation.
The problem character is Yui Ikari and the corresponding page is here. There have been dozens of edits dating back months
rewriting the character as a Well-Intentioned Extremist and a chessmaster. The issue is you have to subscribe hard to Alternate Character Interpretation and there's now a ton of contradiction in the character page claiming what's ambiguous and what's deliberate. In a nutshell, Yui's character is never given concrete motivations; everything she does is subject to ambiguity. But a lot of these edits are taking a hardline stance toward one specific interpretation of her character that contradicts the rest of the page.
I've seen the anime and most of the tropes that have been added are, at best, problematic, and others who have also watched the anime that I've discussed the matter with agree. Some samples:
- Abusive Parents: She deliberately fakes her death, traumatizing her son and making her husband grow emotionally distant from him, and subjects him to numerous traumas. Thing is, she did it all in an effort to protect his life.
- Cruel to Be Kind: No matter how one looks at her ambiguous moral compass, she is this at the very least, seeing how she did very deliberately inflict a serious emotional trauma on her son by faking her own death right in front of him, which decisively shaped his life and psyche in a very negative direction. However, she did so to enact her plan of allowing him and the rest of humanity to get the right to choose their own fate during Instrumentality, something SEELE would have denied all of them.
- More Deadly Than the Male: In The End of Evangelion, it is made clear that she was a much more shrewd and accomplished schemer than Gendo could ever hope to be, having managed to outmanouvre SEELE even though her physical presence in the world had been severely limited for more than a decade and she only had one unambiguous ally (Fuyutsuki) on her side.
- Soft-Spoken Sadist: She is not sadistic by any measure, but she is willfully cruel to the point of being on the borderline of an Anti-Hero and an Anti-Villain and has a profoundly soft, soothing voice.
- Well-Intentioned Extremist: Her goal is to counter SEELE and The Angels and protect Shinji's life. To do this, she'll emotionally torment both her husband and son by faking her death, make said son's friend die horribly in front of his eyes by refusing to save her and temporarily glass humanity to take down SEELE's potential for regaining power.
All of these tropes are contradicted or otherwise called into question elsewhere on the page in regards to the ambiguity that surrounds most of Yui's character.
Almost every edit seems to be the work of one user, Orangutans who TBH I think is troping with an agenda. I think the culmination was when said user brought up a post
in the Magnificent Bastard cleanup thread that relied, almost exclusively, on said Alternate Character Interpretation.
Other tropers have taken issue with this before, on the page itself; back in October another user wiped a bunch of edits that were equally ambiguous and invited Orangutans to use the Discussion page
, but the offer was never taken up. The other user subsequently added this
Ambiguous Situation trope in an attempt to mollify the situation, but that trope and others like it are still being contradicted by the problem edits Orangutans has left.
Can we take a deeper look at this?
Edited by Scraggle

YMMV.Pokemon Scarlet And Violet (again)
This is misuse as TWAPGP is unused plots not poorly used, which this is as the "plot", the Future Pokémon designs (also character designs seem shoehorns) being seen as untrusting/lazy compared to the Ancient Pokémon are. (Granted Miraidon avoiding these problem is the best argument I've seen for something about it being underused, but this still seems more like poor use, not unused.)
I've previously cut it
from They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character for the same issue (about lack of screentime not poorly received designs). This is the third, maybe forth, time this has been added under "They Wasted" entries.
Permission to remove? Anything this issue might fit?