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openA continuation from the SMG4 query
So to continue from this
query, and particularly this
point and help point out where things went wrong:
- March 19th, 2022
: Euan 2000 edits the list, adding the "SMG4 Cosmology Saga" as its own, unwicked bullet and placing Genesis and Revelations underneath it as second-level bullets.
- March 11th, 2023
: Dragon Ball changes the list to also place the YouTube arc underneath the "Cosmology Saga" bullet.
- March 12th, 2023
: Soufriere reverts the above edit, making YouTube a single-level bullet again. Their edit reason:
- March 16th, 2023
: Dragon Ball changes the YouTube arc back to a sub-level bullet. (I believe this in of itself is an edit war, though it's not especially relevant to what's been happening more recently and the troper has already been suspended for another issue.)
- March 30th, 2023
: troperaiser once again gives the YouTube arc its own bullet, separate from the "Cosmology Saga." (They also change the wording of the latter to omit "SMG4.")
- June 15th, 2023
: Random User 21360 makes all four pre-Genesis arcs (including YouTube) into sub-bullets under "Cosmology Lore." Their edit reason:
- For context, Glitch Productions makes the series, and the Lawsuit arc comes after Revelations.
- June 23rd, 2023
: troperaiser reverts the above edit, making the first four arcs single-bullet again.
- June 24th, 2023
: Random User 21360 reverts the above edit, once again making the first four arcs sub-bullets under "Cosmology Saga." (This is where they start edit warring.) Their edit reason, with slight formatting corrections:
- June 27th, 2023
: Broson Roder 232 reverts the last edit again (putting the first four arcs on their own bullets).
- July 17th, 2023
: troperaiser adds small headers to the list of arcs: "Cosmology Lore" (containing the first six arcs, up through Revelations) and "Post-Cosmology Lore" (containing the Lawsuit arc, the seventh and currently last one). This is in addition to the "Cosmology Saga" bullet point.
- July 18th, 2023
: Random User 21360 gives the Genesis and Revelations arcs their own bullet points and removes the "Cosmology Saga" one. In other words, every arc has a single-level bullet like a normal list.
- July 26th, 2023
: Broson Roder 232 changes the "X Lore" headers, splitting off the first three arcs to a new "Pre-Cosmology Lore" section. Their edit reason, with slight formatting corrections:
- July 27th, 2023
: Random User 21360 reverts the above edit, essentially lumping the first six arcs under the "Cosmology Lore" header again. Their edit reason:
- July 28th, 2023
: Wingnut re-adds the "Cosmology Saga" bullet point, once again placing Genesis and Revelations as sub-level bullets underneath it. Their edit reason:
- August 2nd, 2023
: In what is currently the latest revision of the page, Random User 21360 moves the YouTube arc to a sub-bullet under the "Cosmology Saga" bullet point. Their edit reason, with minor formatting corrections:
So there are three tropers guilty of edit warring: troperaiser, Random User 21360, and the aforementioned still-suspended Dragon Ball.
I also put this in a separate query to help the mods and other tropers determine what to do, who's in the wrong, and which entry goes where.
Edited by skan123openOppenheimer's YMMV page, "Barbenheimer", and Japanese response
Oppenheimer's YMMV page is getting coverage of certain issues regarding the whole "Barbenheimer" fandom crossover with the Barbie film, specifically how Japanese audiences don't think it's as funny considering their Nuclear Weapons Taboo. The Mis-blamed entries I think should be cut because not only am I not sure who is supposed to be "in the wrong", I don't think it's particularly relevant to the actual movie (it's a meme that only barely touches the actual Oppenheimer film itself), but the Americans Hate Tingle entry is more vague... I don't think the Barbenheimer meme is really relevant, but the movie does touch on understandably touchy topics; is there any particular hangups Japanese audiences have with the movie on its own terms beyond its overall subject matter?
openWeird reorganization on What an Idiot!.Saw Film
Recently, Ansongc2000 has done a reorganization process for What an Idiot!.Saw that I find rather weird. To wit, not long beforehand, I had created folders for each film to concur with the first "In General" entry added to the page, especially as some of the film sections were already quite long by then. Then Ansongc walked in and added a decent bunch of new examples (while also removing or rearranging a few existing ones without much explanation other than them being "bad") for the first seven films, while also grouping them in a single folder and leaving Jigsaw and Spiral with their respective folders; they also removed the "Series-wide" and "By movie" headers I added to split the "In General" folder and the movie-specific ones in their own parts. In fact, they relegated the "By movie" name to the new folder for the first seven movies, even though it doesn't make sense when put alongside the Jigsaw and Spiral folders with their respective films' titles.
Even if grouping the movies by major storyline can be reasoned because of Jigsaw and Spiral having time gaps with both the first seven consecutive films and each other, it leaves a somewhat disproportioned and confusing structure for me, especially as plenty of the first seven movies' sections are now as long as the ones that used to be the longest before Ansongc's edits (not to mention to aforementioned issue with the "By movie" name). Even though I did the previous structure myself, I honestly prefer that structure for a movie series' What an Idiot! page over the page's current one.
By the way, I informed Ansongc about this query via private message.
Edited by Inky100open B99, s6 ep3. Live Action TV
In 'The Tattler' episode, we meet Mike Joseph, a musician wannabee.
(The rest is my opinion, based on body language.)
Initially, he is friendly with Jake, but when Jake shares how active & fulfilling his life is, Mike seems to become bitter because how his carrier isn't going anywhere.
He quickly shifts tones by insisting on talking about Jake's high-school experience as a rejected classmate & he somehow seems amused about the subject, at Jake's expense.
I've read the TVT page of the episode, but I don't feel like there is the trope I am looking for.
So, my question, after giving the context, is, What Is This Trope?
When someone you'd assume to be your friend, doesn't hesitate to lower your self-esteem by digging up all of your insecurities or flaws, just to feel less small about themselves?
And, even in contexts where their reputation isn't in danger, they just don't hesitate to bring into conversations what their 'friend' isn't comfortable with?
Edited by PassionFloweropen New Tropes Western Animation
Can you guys add these new Tropes that I invented?
- 1: "Unnamed Short Tempered Trope" It's Like "Hair-Trigger Temper" but downplayed and "Fiery Redhead" but for all types of characters with different types of hair colors.
- 2: "Question Not Answered" I know, Pretty cool name, It's self-explanatory and Nickelodeon is notorious for using this cliché in their sitcoms.
- 3: "Doesn't Say Sorry" It's basically when a character doesn't say sorry for their Jerkass behaviour say: "Bob scolds Alice for focusing more on school than her job after a fight Alice apologizes but Bob Doesn't apologizes for not leting her do her school duty." Double Subverted In The "We Baby Bears" Episode "Triple T Tigers" Where Near The Ending TK Apologizes for his bossy nature toward his brothers but is interrupted by the bears.
- 4: "Oblivious Twist" (You can change the name, don't worry about it.) It's basically a plot twist where... let's say "Alice is jealous of Bob doing killer skateboard tricks that he learned from a book only to do one more and the skateboard snaps in half which causes Alice to laugh in his face and revales that it was all a plan to get revenge at Bob for making lasagna instead of meatloaf with him knowing that if she eats lasagna it gives her acid reflux. Example: "ALVINNN!!! and The Chipmunks" Episode "Simon the Superb" Simon wants Alvin to give him his book but turns out the book was part of a plan to trick Alvin.
- 5: "Big "HEY!"" And "Big "DO IT!"" Come on, Why not?
- 6: And Finally "Common Sense Isn't Allowed" It's "Forgot About His Powers" But it's not power related let me put a scenario for you: "Bob and Alice can drink water safely but Bridgette (A Fire Girl) can't so Bob and Alice accuse Bridgette of being an evil creature that is poisonous to water but they forgot and Bridgette doesn't say that she can't drink water. (because of plot reasons.)
And that's all the tropes i want you to add so please mods add them thank you and ciao for now.
Edited by BlimperBraveopenBad one-off edit Live Action TV
Tropers.imajakov's first and so far only edit, from about a month ago, was to add an entry to Series.House for the nonexistent trope "Genius Level Intellect." The entry itself didn't have any grammar issues and did accurately describe the show and title character, but, well... that isn't a real trope. They also wrote it out un-wikiworded as "Genius Level intellect" (complete with capitalization error)
Edited by Dirtyblue929openWeird addition on a work page
Stuart Hardy has a note at the end of the description, allegedly from the man himself, that's written in the first-person. That's not allowed, right?
openBiting the Hand Humor split Western Animation
BitingTheHandHumor.Fox Animated Shows is split off from BitingTheHandHumor.Western Animation due to length. However, some of the shows listed, like Animaniacs and Futurama, underwent a Channel Hop and have examples pertaining to those other networks or streamers.
Would such examples be listed on the Fox page despite not being targeted towards Fox anymore, or would they be listed on the main Western Animation page? So far the Animaniacs examples have been split between the pages (I think I did that myself?) but going forward I want to double check to avoid duplication.
openHow to ping a troper ?
The title is self-explanatory, how exactly I ping a troper to call their attention ?
openFinal Fantasy XVI ButNotTooGay example removed, no edit reason Videogame
I added But Not Too Gay on Final Fantasy XVI recently, but it was removed by Diracspuddle without an edit reason, to which I've sent them a notifier for. The user is infrequently active, so I don't expect an answer back soon. Edit made here
.
In the context of FFXVI not shying away from some partial nudity and sex scenes where they make use of camera work to hide the naughty bits and kiss scenes between male-female pairings being generally more involved than the one gay kissing scene (characters are further away from the camera with their heads/hair blocking out the kiss itself), in addition to the gay couple not interacting romantically after that point, it seemed like it fit enough for me to be an example.
Is it fine to add the example back in?
Edited by YourIdeasopenself-reporting possible edit war
So, while cleaning up Does Not Like Shoes, I cut the entry from a League of Legends page
(the link goes to their re-add, my delete is just below). Number 9 Robotic added it back, and I moved it to the proper name as I decided it actually fit the new definition, and was overly hasty in deleting it. I'm not sure if the re-removal (even if just to move it) counts as an edit war or not, so I figured it best to self-report.
open New NRLEP Crowner!
The tropes in the latest crowner are:
All Women Love Shoes, Black Widow, The Bluebeard, Dead Guy Junior, Discriminate and Switch, Driven to Villainy, G-Rated Drug, Guns in Church, Hollywood Drowning, If Jesus, Then Aliens, The Illuminati, Improbable Taxonomy Skills, In Touch with His Feminine Side, The Jinx, Microwave the Dog, Mindlink Mates, Mirror Self, Not Using the "Z" Word, The Ophelia, Prefers Going Barefoot (formerly Does Not Like Shoes), Red Is Violent, Smoking Is Cool, Smoking Is Not Cool, Vanity Is Feminine, and We Hardly Knew Ye.
openSwitching page type Videogame
I want to turn the Skylanders page from "Video Game" to "Franchise" in order to be able to make individual pages for the games (since when I try to make the pages, they get redirected to the main series page rather than becoming a new page). Is it as simple as just creating a Franchise page and then asking for the Video Game page to be deleted? Can I do it myself here and now or do I need to consult other tropers to do it?
F1 the MS Office robo-assistant
openEntry removed without edit reason on Arthur recap page: okay to restore or not? Western Animation
On Arthur S1 E18 - "Arthur's Chicken Pox" / "Sick as a Dog", this entry was deleted without an edit reason
a while ago by the now perma-suspended
troper TV Lubber:
- Kick the Dog: D.W. almost literally does this when she tells Arthur "We can get a good dog now" when Pal gets sick. She may be only four years old, but that's a rather insensitive remark to make about someone's pet, especially under those circumstances.
The reason I'm asking if this is okay to add back is not only because adding it back without consensus would be an Edit War, but the entry is also negative towards D.W., a character I've been previously been suspended for writing bashy entries about, so I'm worried that re-adding it without consensus from other tropers may be seen as me relapsing in my D.W.-bashing ways and earn me a second suspension. You can see the scene for yourself in this video
starting at 0:05, so you can make an accurate judgement based on the context.
open Skrull Roney, he or she.
In Secret Invasion (2023) Roney, a man. is revealed to have been replaced by a Skrull and that Skurll is a woman, Raava. So far, Raava have only been in one scene as herself. Current entrees however still label her as Roney and use he/him. Should this be changed to saying Raava (or at least Skrull Roney) and she/her or would it only be confusing as Raava has kept on impersonating Roney throughout the series sans the one scene.

LL Smooth J added this to Manga-Waido.
Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Leo
I discussed with a friend on Discord and he thinks that Leo's actions are the result of his abusive family and he didn't have his grandparents to rely on.
So what to do with this example?
Edited by mickey96