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openWonky/weasel edits by previously suspended user spread out over time
On the "Is this an example?" forum I had asked
about a user named CorvusIX
making an edit on the Total Drama Unintentionally Unsympathetic page that seemed to contradict the edit reason they provided for removing it in the first place. I had remembered seeing a post specifically by them on ATT about restoring an edit that had tons of elaboration so it didn't really seem that unusual. However when I searched their name the post didn't show up, and apparently, in addition to getting suspended due to these circumstances
, there have been at least two other cases
of edit warring
that CorvusIX had started dating back to two years ago. It had apparently gotten bad enough that in the first cited instance of this happening someone suggested that they were going out of their way to do this, which in and of itself implies this wasn't an isolated incident even before then. On top of that some of their non-warring edits go beyond Weasel Words and seem
to rely heavily on assumptions
that can be traced
to Fan Myopia. Since instances of both edit warring and the Weasel Words/Fan Myopia + wonks + misinformation seem really sporadic (I haven't found instances of any of that concoction the second page of their edit history) it really seems like they're doing this to try and make biased edits undetected, but I can't say I'm 100% sure since (as I mentioned) I can't always go by anything more than a couple implications. Thoughts?
openWeird trivia entry
This Star-Derailing Role entry was added nearly three weeks ago
onto Trivia.Inception:
- Star-Derailing Role: Despite the film's critical and commerical success, Elliot Page's performance in the film was not well-received and was lackluster despite the rest of the cast's performances was well-received. Shortly after the film, Elliot's film career took a major nosedive. His career when he starred in the critically panned remake Flatliners and since then reprised his role as Kitty Pryde in X-Men: Days of Future Past and starred in the Netflix series The Umbrella Academy, His reputation got even when had a gender change in 2020 changing his name from Ellen Page to Elliot Page, While he's still got success in his career on streaming television. He hasn't acted in a film up until 2023.
I wanted to bring this up into Remove Complaining because I'm not sure if its a derailing role (Page's Wikipedia page calls 2015-present "career fluctuations"), but the entry seems to mention his career improving on streaming television, and the entry itself is poorly-written that I'm not sure what's complaining and what's not.
Any thoughts?
open Potential complaining in YMMV of Do You Love Your Mom and Her Two-Hit Multi-Target Attacks? Literature
I had a look at the YMMV section of Do You Love Your Mom and Her Two-Hit Multi-Target Attacks? and the They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot entry seems more complaining about the premise than any neglected plot points.
* They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: The very idea of exploring an Isekai setting based in an MMORPG is nothing new, but has the potential to be extremely deep and rich if the lore and write-up is done right. The actual novel itself, though, only seems to rely on the game as an excuse as to why the players are there fighting the monsters as they are. There is no exploration of the game mechanics, how players interact with them and the bearings they have on the plot at large à la Sword Art Online, and actual story content is threadbare and disjointed. It doesn't even really work as a game setting, as games have to have rules and balancing if they're to be fair and believable, while gameplay in the story is deliberately designed poorly to favor a subset of players for no discernible reason than a gag, which is the deconstruction of isekai protagonists being The Ace. Nothing would have changed plot-wise had all of the game-related aspects been removed, as their presence in the story is just fluff. In fact, removing the constraints of a game setting would give the author even more leg room to wiggle without breaking the audience's Willing Suspension of Disbelief, since it still has the makings of a standard isekai plot.Wanted input on what to do rather than get gung ho about deleting the example.
EDIT: Noticed the appropriate thread. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16509479720A72263400&page=1
Best just close this already.
openAm I in trouble for edit warring?
In the following entry on Solo Mission Becomes Group Mission, I initially added the quoted coma in the example for the first Trolls movie to make it match how it's written in the work/franchise pages, thinking that I forgot to put a punctuation in the example back when I first suggested it to the trope's TLP draft.
- In the first movie, Poppy was willing to go on a trip to Bergen Town on her own to rescue her friends, even though she asked Branch for help before. Branch rejected the offer at first''',''' but eventually joins her because he believes she wouldn't make it on her own due to her lack of skills (as well as Poppy sending the rest of the Trolls into his survival bunker basically forcing him to get out of it).
However, I then decided to remove the comma to leave it like this:
- In the first movie, Poppy was willing to go on a trip to Bergen Town on her own to rescue her friends, even though she asked Branch for help before. Branch rejected the offer at first but eventually joins her because he believes she wouldn't make it on her own due to her lack of skills (as well as Poppy sending the rest of the Trolls into his survival bunker basically forcing him to get out of it).
The reason is because, as I looked through the page's history (which is rather short, since it only had few edits since it was first created), I realized I already added the comma over a year ago (circa January 1st, 2022) just as the trope was launched, but then MovieNut14 removed the comma as part of a grammar cleanup. Honestly, I was getting paranoid that I was starting a very slow-paced Edit War.
However, I don't know if the circumstances warrant it to be an edit war like how I was previously suspended for re-doing an edit of mine previously removed by someone else after several months in Nightmare Fuel.Saw II. I was also briefly suspended another time because of a brief miscommunication on PM with Random Troper 123 that made me re-do a removal of a spoiler tag on The Devil's folder in Cuphead - Main Characters to make it match with the content that's spoiler-tagged (which RandomTroper once reverted); of course, the miscommunication circumstance allowed this suspension to be lifted from me because I was following the Edit War policy's recommendations otherwise. The latter's events are covered between these
two
ATT queries, plus these
three
comments
at the "Would like to edit again" forum thread (after which I followed Synchronicity's word to start this Short-Term Project thread
that hasn't had much activity — I did it on that thread because I didn't think it'd fit on Wiki Talk, due to the fact that there are no work-specific cleanup threads there).
Can my brief edits be considered an Edit War, even if the latest edit happened more than a year after the previous ones (a much longer time gap than the few months with my first edit war problem), the thing that I changed was very small, and then I quickly reverted it myself when I realized what I did? I already know well about the wiki's edit war policy and how I can communicate with others to avoid an edit war, but I'm quite paranoid at times with my edits because I don't always remember everything that I edited on a page, and I get worried that I could unintentionally start an edit war at any time (just like what may have happened right now).
Seeing that MovieNut14 is still active, I sent them a PM to notify them about this query and let them give their own opinion regarding this issue.
Edited by Inky100openQuestion about Fic Recs Western Animation
I'm pretty sure the answer to this is no, but am I allowed to recommend a fic I myself have written? I've always thought it was no and thought it said that somewhere on the fic page, but I can't find it.
openConcerns regarding erroneous SubTrope examples ?
Lately I’ve been noticing Hate Sink page has added multiple Sub Tropes to it as it’s a Super-Trope. However multiple Sub-Trope examples are put there in error.
As I brought up on the Hate Sink Cleanup Thread, the Hate Sink Sub-Trope list contains multiple examples that do not ‘’strictly'' branch off from being a Hate Sink, as per the definition of Sub Tropes.
Instead most of the "Sub Tropes" on that list are tropes that can apply to Hate Sink characters, but not strictly tied to the trope itself. From what I’ve seen, the list was made without knowing what Sub-Trope is.
I have brought these concerns onto the cleanup thread itself – three times – the past couple of months. Whenever it is brought up a few tropers agreed with my assessment, but discussions fizzled out without reaching a final conclusion or consensus.
Having brought the issue up a few times, I didn’t want to start a Single-Issue Wonk. I have been wondering if I should bring the matter up to Trope Talk or some other discussion threads. But before I do so, I thought I should consult the mods for what to do with this matter.
Edited by MacronNotesopenRemoving a page redirect Live Action TV
I'm currently working on reworking the Giant Robo page into mediums (i.e. manga for the manga, series for the Toku show, anime for the OVA) instead of clumping every entry on one page. However, the current page for Giant Robo is a redirect to Giant Robo. I don't know how/if I can remove the redirect by myself. Is there a way I can do this, or is mod interference needed?
openHow to handle sensitive topics regarding Kanye West audience reaction pages?
So I noticed that after a long stint of being locked due to rampant vandalism, Kanye West pages have been unlocked, and I think now's a good a time as any to question: what's the degree to which discussion on Kanye's life should be mentioned before it becomes inherently uncivil? Normally I wouldn't question this at all because duh, no real-life troping, but Kanye West is in a bit of a unique situation since a heavily significant portion of his music is autobiographical, often addressing the controversies and scandals he's in as they were happening.
I was considering adding a Harsher in Hindsight entry about how much of his post-808s and Heartbreak music being marked by his self-confessed emotional and mental collapse seems especially uncomfortable after 2022, where by all accounts (from tabloid drama to his actual new music) indicates he's pretty much gone off the rails. For specificity's sake (as well as focusing primarily on the music as an axis of discussion), the 2018 album ye entirely hinges around his anxieties following his then-recent diagnosis with bipolar disorder (as just one bit from that album, "Yikes" expresses worry that he won't be able to control himself in another public controversy) and trying to find peace for the future, which seems especially depressing since nowadays he's proudly refusing his meds and doing far grosser and more irresponsible things that have really wrecked his mainstream profile, as well as making music where he's continuing his autobiographical slant by espousing his conspiracy theory mindset and disturbingly violent and hateful thoughts. Even if not just documenting that comprehensively, there's some individual moments like in 2007's "Flashing Lights" with the line "I hate these [n-word] more than a [naz-word]" that are wince-inducing now in their own right.
If it comes down to it, I'm ok with simply not writing anything down addressing the elephant in the room, because while I trust in my ability to document it as civilly as possible, I don't want to enable the floodgates for more vandalism regarding his behavior and stinking up the pages again. In general, I'm wondering what the stance is on regarding the limits to how much his personal history is allowed to matter when it comes to his art, because the things I think are most controversial about him sadly do occupy a gray space thanks to Kanye's approach as both "provider of art" and "himself a living artpiece". Any specific thoughts on what's okay or not okay to talk about?
Edited by number9roboticopen 80s Horror/possession TV (mini?) series/film Live Action TV
Right! A little obscure here. 80's British TV show/mini-series/film about a possessed teenage girl. Set in a pretty normal urban British household. Myself and my sister both remember so I know I didn't dream it 😁. I only really remember one scene, the mother comes into the bedroom and the daughter is twisted into a weird pose with a scissors stuck in her shoulder/chest/clavicle. It's wrecking our heads for years here as all both of us can remember is that scene. I've tried many different Google searches and come up with nothing.
I know it's not: Hammer House of Horror/Mystery, Tales of the Unexpected, Dramarama, Ghostwatch, Moondial, Dead of Night.
Cheers
openUnilateral trope page change
DavidJohnsonVG
changed all the example folders for the trope T-Word Euphemism to themed names
, so "Anime & Manga" becomes "The A and M Words", Comic Books becomes "The CB Words" and so on, which in my opinion makes the page harder to read. It also doesn't entirely work since some categories start with the same letter, so he includes a second letter which seems to go against the trope itself. Should I just revert it?
openTroper removing page images without discussion
I notice the image for Self-Demonstrating Article to be missing, but there's no Image Pickin thread in the history, just Michael 108 tweaking the caption several times before deleting it and the image outright.
From the troper's edit history, they've done the same to Fourth Wall Greeting. Michael 108 has no forum history so I assume these were changed without discussion.
There appears to be a pattern of tweaking captions note (and laconics, but they don't seem as severe), which aren't all bad, but a few stick out over the others. Examples:
- Adding and deleting a caption for Advertising.The Simpsons
- Adding a ":p" to NightmareFuel.The Simpsons (which another deleted)
- WesternAnimation.Animaniacs no longer has its theme lyrics(?) in the caption, what replaces it now isn't even formatted properly.
- Replacing Creator.Tress Mac Neille's caption to one (arguably) more Fan Myopic compared to its initial "The woman of a thousand voices."
Which notifiers would be suitable, if Michael 108 hasn't received any already?
openI Knew It! back and forth/meta and YMMV move?
- I Knew It!: Fans are completely happy that Hasbro confirmed that Bumblebee is a complete reboot to the film franchise after 2 months of debate, given the reshoots/rewrites. Fans began to theorize this was the case pretty much as soon as Blitzwing, at the time believed to be Starscream, showed up in trailers sporting the look of a classic Seeker, and the theories got more intense as more information came out. When the movie itself was released, most of the audience either accepted it was a reboot or strongly believed it should be. Fortunately, that turned out to be the case Hasbro went with.
This was commended out as Flip-Flop of God has gone back to mixed messages on if it's a Soft Reboot as opposed to Alternate Continuity. So should it be removed, kept as it was once an example, or does this mean it should be limited to confirmed in-work as opposed to Word of God or production?
And as I Knew It! is now YMMV, is there a reason there hasn't seemed to be much moves/cleanup on that? Answering the former question would help with the move.
Also, Characters.Bumblebee was split from the films because it was initially confirmed as alternate continuity. I assume we want to keep them separate given it's effectively its own thing and the aforementioned inconsistency on its official status.
openSandboxes and variant namespaces
Just to check I'm not missing something here...
All sandboxes should be Sandbox/NameOfSandbox, shouldn't they?
And if a troper has several for personal use, options like Sandbox/NameOfSandbox2 can be used.
...but the moment someone modifies the namespace itself to Sandbox2/NameOfSandbox, that's an issue, isn't it?
Looking at Sandbox2.Audio Speaks 2 and a couple of other examples (including some Sandbox3 ones) - I cutlisted two of them for long-dormant tropers, then started doubting myself, as Administrivia says very little about sandbox rules.
Thanks!
Edited by Mrph1openFatal Fury City of the Wolves: Roster?
Hello. I'd like to ask about this case in Fatal Fury: City of the Wolves
According to edits by IkeaHan
, the only presence of voice clips means that we shouldn't just confirm the characters yet. However, as someone who has played the series overall, I have known the series enough to know that certain voice clips accurately belong to only a certain character so it's close enough to be confirm. I would like to re-add them, but afraid that it'll trigger a Flame War. I've talked to IkeaHan himself and he said I should bring it here in ATT.
What do you guys think? Should the voice clips be used as a confirmation of the character being in the roster as long as one can identify to whom they belong to in 100% capacity?
Thanks!
openFake Memories? Won't Work or Handwave?
My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic S3 E13 "Magical Mystery Cure"
- Fake Memories: The destiny switch results in the ponies with switched destinies getting false memories to go with them that dissuade them from questioning why they are so bad at their 'destiny'. The problem is they didn't receive the skills to go along with the memories. Exactly how extensive their memory alterations were is not explored.
This seem explicitly contradicted by the episode as when Spike asks about using the memory spell to restore them Twilight states "It's not their memories, Spike. It's their true selves that have been altered!"
So due Fake Memories not apply if so directly contradicted? Still apply if it doesn't explain how this is different/more extensive than memory alteration? Or is Ambiguous Situation more fitting as it doesn't clearly explain how this worked?
And would Twilight's statement be Simple Solution Won't Work (an intended as legitimate explanation why not) or Hand Wave (a flimsy explanation self-aware about such), or is it/can it be both? I assume the former because it lack the attempt to deflect/dodge the issue.

So, I recently made individual pages for both BoBoiBoy movies, BoBoiBoy: The Movie and BoBoiBoy Movie 2, and am gradually crosswicking them.
Let's say there's occurrences of the same trope both in the original series and in a movie. Should the latter's example be a sub-bullet of the former on the trope page? Or should the movie's examples go in the appropriate Film folder?
Example: Height Insult has 3 examples from BBB, 2 of which are from movies, but I was hesitant to move the two movie examples to the "Films - Animated" folder, which I now think would be appropriate since I moved those sub-bullets for that trope example to the respective movie pages
from the BoBoiBoy page itself.
A different example: Mourning a Dead Robot has two BBB examples, one from the series and one from the movie. I haven't edited it recently yet to correct the wick, but I'm uncertain if I should leave the movie example in its current position or move it to the "Films - Animated" folder.
I lean towards separating show examples from movie examples in crosswicking unless they have information that cross-references each other. But I'd like to get more feedback please. Thank you.