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openPermission to revert entry on Manga/AirGear. Anime
On Nov. 4th, 2018, I corrected
the Official Couple entry for Air Gear due to being inaccurate to the epilogue chapter.
- Original Version:
- Corrected Version:
- Erivale's version:
- Erivale: I just read through the whole series again, and it's pretty clear that Ikki's date with Simca is two riders who respect each other meeting up for a run and the fulfilment of an old promise, as compared to the overt romantic overtones involved in Ikki's resolution with Ringo. Even during the epilogue itself, Ringo is treated as the woman in Ikki's life, not just a prospective for his affections.
With this in mind, I request permission to revert the edit without risk of inciting an Edit War.
openVideo Secondary Tropes
Whenever I've tried adding secondary tropes to some of my videos recently, it tends to not let me do so. For example, if I try to search up Sword Beam as a secondary trope, I get nothing to select/add and when I try to search Half the Man He Used to Be, I only get media subsections (i.e. TV, anime, etc.), but not the main page itself. Has this been an issue for anyone else, or is there a website rule about this that I'm not aware of?
openUU misuse added back/quote issue.
This misuse of Unintentionally Unsympathetic was added back.
- History of Power Rangers: While also providing the page quote, Linkara also has an inverse view of mutantkind and Time Force compared with some of the fandom he was given. He thought that despite Ransik's sympathetic origin, his consistant evil and ingratitude justifies everyone's fears about him. And conversely, there isn't enough provided material in the show to fully have sympathetic mutants, as only 1 mutant ever had more sympathetic reasons for being in the cryo-prison, and there were even 2 examples of mutants who were given more privileges, and they betrayed society's trust.
This is critiquing the fandom treatment of the character (violating UU being No Real Life, better fitting Misaimed Fandom), not how the narrative treats them (Ransik's called out that his sympathetic past didn't excuse his evildoing, which he himself ultimately realized and allowed himself to be arrested to answer to his wrongs, so he's not unintentional). This entry also argues against UU applying to mutantkind saying this isn't the widespread opinion by fans.
When I first removed this, I asked about changing the page quote ("There's a difference between having a sympathetic backstory and actually being sympathetic.") as it's misuse, but they said to keep as it still conveyed the concept. Not it appears it's continuing to attract misuse, so what to do?
openShould MK 1 characters have new folders on the MK 1 character page
So I recently tried to create new folders for the Kombat Kast for Mortal Kombat's reboot timeline, using precedent such as Soul Series, since virtually every character has a radically different history and/or personality to the point that their old character folders are incompatible
Futhermore these new incarnations of the characters are regarded by the lore of the story itself as being distinct entities (For example: original timeline Kitana has no continuity with New Era Kitana, instead existing as Titan Kitana who's a completely different character; all of Liu Kang's prior relationship with Kitana is only present when interacting with Titan Kitana)
I don't think there's a feasible alternative to creating new folders for all the characters on the New Era's character page. Trying to just slot them into their old folders is just a recipe for confusion and clutter. And the only other alternative is to create individual character pages for all the characters so we can put multiple folders on their pages for all their different incarnations, which is just needlessly messy and still confusing since we have situations like New Era Scorpion being Kuai Liang instead of Hanzo Hisashi
Plus I'm under the impression that TV tropes wants to avoid creating individual character pages where possible
Unfortunately someone reverted my attempt to create new folders on the Mortal Kombat 1 character page and I don't want to get into an edit war, so I'm bringing it to the ATT thread
I also brought up the matter on the Mortal Kombat Discussion thread, and the limited replies so far have been in agreement that the New Era should have it's own character folders as well
Edited by CrimsonOddballopen Where did the 'Leather pants' come from in 'Draco's leather Pants'?
I understand the meaning of the trope itself. I'm just curious about how it got it's name.
How exactly does re-writing a villain to make them more sympathetic translate to them wearing leather pants?
openHandling Fanfic Recs Who Break The "No Self-Recommendations"-rule Web Original
I was told to come here for this question, so I hope it's not a dumb one:
How is the breaking of the "No Self-Recommendations" rule handled in Fanfic Recommendations? Like, if somebody posts a fanfic rec of their own fic, is the entry in question just cut with a provided reason for the entry being cut, or does the user in question also get a warning?
I figure that it's probably just the former, or maybe even cut without having to provide a reason(?) because a self-recommend isn't a big deal in comparison to active policy violations, but I figure that it's better to ask anyway. I just want to know if I can just go ahead and cut such an entry or if there's more of a procedure to it.
Edited by MagmaTeaMerryopenIs Majora's Mask Low Fantasy Videogame
So Majora’s Mask is listed as Low Fantasy, but as a huge Majora’s Mask fan myself, I really think it doesn’t in any way fis Low Fantasy. I’m sure it was deleted in the past, but it looks like it was added back.
The entry claims Magic is less present than other Zelda games and that the plot of Majora's mask is more grounded with realistic things.
To list how magic is ‘’extremely’’ prominent as well as how the plot and the setting are not realistic.
- Far from using basic magic, Link can:
- Time Travel
- Slow down time as well as fast forward through time.
- Shapeshift into other people via healing their ghosts. One of these transformations (Fierce Deity), is even a creature, created by the memories of all the people of the land that Link befriended.
- Teleport
- Create decoys of himself.
- Summon a living Scarecrow.
- See and talk to ghosts, sometimes turning them into magical masks.
- Transform into a 50 foot tall giant.
- Turn his arrows into beams of Fire, Ice and Light.
- There’s many Fantastic monsters and creatures even by the standards of the Zelda series, whom are all treated as normal by regular citizens, including:
- Plant people that shoot bubbles or nuts and can fly with magical flowers.
- Rock people that can roll into balls and move at superhuman speeds.
- Fish people that run a rockband using sea animals as instruments.
- Fairies that are common knowledge and the citizens of town regularly visit.
- An entire valley and city composed of undead like Ghosts, Mummies, Skeletons and Zombies.
- Snowlems just outside town.
- Alien ghosts!
- Locations are extremely weird like a dungeon that you repeatedly have to change gravity in.
- Time Travel and shapeshifting via magical masks are central elements in general.
- The Big Bad is a demonic Evil Mask possessing an Undead Child and commanding a gigantic army of very strange monsters. He was also friends with the Giants that literally created the world he lives in.
- There’s a living scarecrow just walking around town that is treated as normal.
- Many ordinary citizens possess Masks of Power, they even explain to you bestow magical abilities upon their wearer.
- Gonk-ish witches are regular merchants.
- Other fantastic things include Talking Animals as well as Funny Animals, including a possibly Cybernetic beaver
- The Magic effects of the milk from the milkbar is well known and even a point of advertisement.
And I can’t find it at this moment, but in an interview, with one of the game’s writers, possibly Aonuma, he stated he added in whimsical and dream like elements into the game to offset another writer when he added scary stuff.
Make no mistake, I love Majora’s Mask, but it doesn’t seem to fit the trope at all.
Even in the Zelda series, I feel The Legend Of Zelda 1 is more Low Fantasy, though I don’t think it fits the trope either.
Edited by MonsundopenSpoilers off Videogame
A while ago I made a page for a short horror videogame called candypink. I would like to make it a spoilers-off page and remove all the spoiler tags, since the game itself is so short it can be finished in two minutes. Is this allowed?
open How to add numbers and special characters to a page's title (but not the URL)?
Hello there. I'm hoping someone can answer my question, but moreso that I can articulate my question clearly.
Basically, I want to create a Let's Play page for Youtuber 8-BitRyan. I have gone through his entire Youtube playlist to figure out which games he's played and which ones have their own Tropes page, and I can add to the tropes that apply to Ryan's channel as I go. The problem I have is that I have to create the page as "EightBitRyan" since I can't have numbers in the URL...which is understandable.
However, what I'd like to know is how to title the page as "8-BitRyan" instead of "Eight Bit Ryan". I've seen a few trope pages over the years where the URL has the numbers typed out and special characters omitted, but the title of the page itself includes them. I'd like to know how to achieve this before I start creating the page.
Edited by danunplannedopenKarma Houdini
If a character dies getting what they exactly wanted are they still a Karma Houdini?
Say, Junko letting herself executed, Ragyo and Nui's death etc.
Edited by Mr-ex777open Someone deleted one of my edits and called it "sociopathic".
So, on BrokenAesop.Western Animation, I added an entry for The Loud House episode "Butterfly Effect" that basically boiled down to "The moral is to tell the truth, however, none of what Lincoln imagines was the result of his dishonesty, but rather the accident itself that he considered lying about".
But someone deleted it saying, "Wow, this line of thinking is just... self-centered at best, sociopathic more apt. There's no way to phrase it more nicely."
I'm honestly disturbed that someone would call me sociopathic.
Just so you know, I didn't use any italics, full caps, bold, or emotionally-charged words. I phrased it the way Spock would.
openConsent to remove redundancy on What an Idiot!.Saw
Among the additions Ansongc2000 had recently done on the "Jigsaw" folder from What an Idiot!.Saw was this excerpt.
- Listening to a tape and finding three syringes with numbers on them, they realize that they'll all be hanged unless one of them, Carly, injects herself with the correct of three needles. One of the other two needles will kill her, one will do nothing.
As part of a grammar cleanup on the additions, I changed the bolded part into the following:
- Listening to a tape and finding three syringes with numbers on them, they realize that they'll all be hanged unless one of them, Carly, injects herself with the correct syringe; said needle will do nothing to her, while the other two will kill her.
Later on, Ansongc2000 corrected a mentioned aspect they and I missed on the film, with the edit reason "it's stated that one syringe holds acid, one holds a saline solution. A saline solution is generally harmless when injected." The bolded part, however, ended up becoming rather redundant when compared to how the left the rest of the text.
- Listening to a tape and finding three syringes with numbers on them, they realize that they'll all be hanged unless one of them, Carly, injects herself with the correct syringe; said needle will do nothing to her, while one will do nothing and one will kill her.
Currently, I'd like to change the bolded part to the following so as to remove redundancy on the entry the excerpt is on:
- Listening to a tape and finding three syringes with numbers on them, they realize that they'll all be hanged unless one of them, Carly, injects herself with the correct syringe; said needle and another with a saline solution will do nothing to her, while the third one will kill her.
Can I have permission to do this while citing this query, or does anyone have other ideas?
Edited by Inky100openCould this be considered an edit war or not?
Recently, MaLady had launched the trope Memory Trigger. For the page, I suggested them several examples from the Saw series, structured in a way not too different to the structuring of multiple entries, but Malady edited it to include more bullets while removing some information that was relevant to certain examples (mostly in the general "main trials" example). We had a discussion on it until Malady said that the example writing is mostly "semi-personal" beyond the basics of bulleting, but I'm still not a fan of their edited version of my examples.
- Used in several Saw films to set up flashbacks, usually involving the characters that are remembering.
- The main trials of Saw IV, Saw VI and Saw 3D have numerous clues left to the protagonists involved regarding past events in their life, either to make them figure where to continue with the game (e.g. one of the letter messages Rigg reads in Saw IV) or to simply remind them of what they did to be tested (the written text on William's skin under the bombs strapped to him in Saw VI, the environmental props and text Bobby comes across in Saw 3D).
- Also in Saw VI:
- Hoffman telling Jill that he'll no longer see her once he's finished with all the tasks listed in the envelopes Jill left him makes the latter reminisce of the time John tried to show her that his "method of rehabilitation" works by showing Amanda (who had recently come out from her test back in the first movie) to her.
- Hoffman himself gets a Memory Trigger when he enters the surveillance room for William's game and finds a blackmail letter he had sent to Amanda back in Saw III, with the ensuing flashback montage revealing the sequence when Hoffman wrote it and Amanda read it using footage between Saw III and IV, with some additional scenes establishing the circumstances. Said letter was left by Jill (who had previously received the letter from Pamela, and was infuriated when she discovered that Hoffman was the one who wrote it) in the surveillance room as part of her sneak attack on him.
- Used in several Saw films to set up flashbacks:
- One of the letter messages Rigg reads in Saw IV helps him remember how to progress in the game.
- Reminders of what they did to be tested:
- Saw VI:
- Hoffman telling Jill that he'll no longer see her once he's finished with all the tasks listed in the envelopes Jill left him makes the latter reminisce of the time John tried to show her that his "method of rehabilitation" works by showing Amanda (who had recently come out from her test back in the first movie) to her.
- Hoffman himself gets reminded when he finds a blackmail letter he had sent to Amanda back in Saw III, in the surveillance room for William's game. The ensuing flashback montage reveals the sequence when Hoffman wrote it and Amanda read it, using footage between Saw III and IV, with some additional scenes establishing the circumstances. Said letter was left by Jill (after Pamela previously found it and gave it to her) in the surveillance room as part of her sneak attack on him, who was infuriated by the letter when she discovered that Hoffman was the one who wrote it.
Thing is, I'd now like to edit the examples back to my original writing because it's more concise and easier to read, but I want to ask if this could be considered an act of starting an Edit War. Edited by Inky100
openActor Allusion clarification Film
SOLVED: Production Throwback
Can Actor Allusion be also applied to the director or is it strictly for actors?
In Conspiracy Theory, one of the scenes has the characters hide in a crowded cinema, where they are screening Ladyhawke. Both were directed by Richard Donner and he picked the screened movie himself as a joke.
Edited by TropiarzopenSole item disambiguation/misuse
YMMV.Healin Good Pretty Cure E 43
- Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped: You have a right to live a happy, healthy life, and you don’t need to sacrifice yourself in order to help someone who has abused you. Especially when said abuser has NO intention of changing and intends to continue abusing you.
SANTBD is no longer a thing. It is now a redirect to Anvilicious which is just about being heavy handed which doesn't apply to this example so misuse. I'll cut the page unless I hear anything.
Also, do I need to run cutting pages by ATT if the sole item is misuse?
open Good Character Turns Bad
Well, what's the exact trope for when a good characters is turned evil by force. Like, he is spelled, or brainwashed, or some sort of mind control, well, all this way?
Another question that is also related to the previous one:
Well, the "hero" becomes a "villain", the other heroes face him, manage to solve it and help him return to the light side, and... different from what they thought... The hero, who until recently was a psychopathic villain who did evil because he was corrupted by the power of darkness, returned to his original state of goodness, or in this specific case, is no longer the great evil threat but retains some trace of darkness. Some of which I would like to mention:
- The character returns to being a hero in character and personality, but still has some of his dark power and could use it as his normal self; - The character returns to being a hero again in personality and character, but maintains a darker tone; - The character returns to being a hero, or at least in this case, tries to be one, as he still maintains his evil personality, being more daring and debauched than his original self; - Regarding this last example, in addition to personality, he can also retain the dark power together. In this case, the character is no longer a threat or danger, just a "mean" version of his other self;
All of these categories above that I mentioned have a temporary effect on the character. In other words, at one time or another (better said, one episode or another), the character will return to who he always was before his "evilization".
openPossible Broken Aesop? Film
So, saw that adding a Broken Aesop to The Last Jedi's page would need to be approved first, so I figured to ask if this was acceptable (or if it was already added/removed)
One of the aesops was that your life is too important to throw away. However, it's underscored by not Holdo's Heroic Sacrifice to take out an entire fleet and Luke's sacrifice to hold off the First Order long enough for everyone to escape, but it's also underscored by the person giving the aesop in the first place, Rose, who nearly died to save Finn from having to sacrifice himself in the first place.

For works where the main character doesn't have a name, how do we address them?
I'm writing up a work where the main character goes without a name at first, but only remembers theirs later through a spoiler. The name itself is technically not a spoiler, but might be confusing, since the character is not addressed by name for large portion of the early part of the work.