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openWorks page made for a single video questions Web Original
I noticed someone made a trope page for AI Pajama Sam, which is based off of a youtuber (DougDoug) playing Pajama Sam in "No Need to Hide When It's Dark Outside" using an AI voice program. I'm unsure why it exists or if it needs to, but I wanted to mention it since it feels odd it was made.
The video it was made for was a decently length one, but it is so far the only one Doug has made, and stuff it mentions can be done on his own Web Video page. Is this something that really should be done? The page itself is somewhat barebones and even has a character page now, but it feels unnecessary to make a page for a single video like that. I think it should be deleted for now, but wanted to get feedback on this.
Edited by keyblade333openTroper with odd issue in Forensic Files
In The Gallbladder seems to take a strange umbrage with the edits on the Forensic Files page, having deleted a large portion of the page without valid reason.
Thankfully, another user restored all of the deleted edits due to it being crucial to the show and certain episodes, but they've done this before, even deleting examples that were mentioned in-universe,
which of course I cannot re-add myself without being accused of edit warring.
openWhich examples sound like character bashing on this page? Anime
Sailor Moon
- Usagi Tsukino can be this:
- She can be a Clingy Jealous Girl toward Mamoru and hates when other women get close to him, but she is not always faithful herself, judging by the way she stares at other boys. Apparently, only one of them needs to be 100% devoted. This is mostly in the first anime.
- In one episode, she slaps Mamoru for forgetting her birthday even though she never told him, but she doesn't know his birthday either.
- Chibi-Usa can be this as well:
- She accuses Usagi of being "ungrateful" for rejecting her mother's hot cakes (and she only rejected them because she had already eaten something and didn't even know her mother was making something for her in the first place) when she herself does not appreciate that Usagi has constantly put her own life on the line to save her from danger.
- In one episode, she gets viciously angry at Usagi after the latter unknowingly steals the pie she baked for a classmate. In other episodes, she would knowingly steal Usagi's food just for the sake of it.
- For all her talk about Usagi being an incompetent guardian, she proves to be quite incompetent at being a guardian herself once she starts her training.
- She (along with the others) criticizes Usagi for her laziness, even though she is shown to be rather lazy herself; for instance, she has Usagi carry all the groceries while she herself is empty-handed.
- Luna the Cat also has her moments:
- She gets on Usagi's case when the latter allegedly wet the bed, but she doesn't hold it against Chibi-Usa when it's revealed it was her who did it. When Usagi points this out to Luna, Luna excuses herself by telling her, "Well, you deserved it."
- When she merely thinks Diana is the lovechild of Artemis and another cat, she violently rages at him. Fast-forward to Sailor Stars, where she openly fawns over Yaten, perfectly fine with the fact that Artemis knows.
- She also had the nerve to taunt Usagi for not noticing if Chibi-Chibi was her daughter or not when she herself failed to realize that Diana was her daughter and jumped to conclusions. Usagi rightfully calls her out on this, and she quickly becomes embarrassed.
- She usually does nothing to stop Chibi-Usa from antagonizing Usagi, yet she has the nerve to call out Usagi whenever she retaliates in any way.
- Haruka Tenoh is another example:
- During the early stages of her relationship with Michiru, Haruka snarked that she didn't think a privileged rich girl like her could possibly understand a concept as bleak as the apocalypse, even though Haruka herself is a privileged rich girl.
- Before going to confront Eudial with Michiru, Haruka tells Usagi that they won't let her slow them down with her "half-baked play war". She says this, even though she and Michiru didn't have a concrete plan for finding the Talismans all season and they hadn't formed a plan for when they confronted Eudial and when they did, she quickly gained the upper hand. Had Usagi heeded their threat and stayed away, Haruka and Michiru would've died and the Death Busters would've gotten a hold on two Talismans.
- In the Stars season, she expresses distaste at the way Seiya "indiscriminately approaches women", yet Haruka has been shown to flirt with a lot of girls, including Usagi and the Inner Soldiers (even stealing a kiss from Sailor Moon in the manga/Crystal without her consent, which is a form of sexual assault) and unlike Seiya, Haruka is in a relationship (a stable one with trust from both sides, but still).
- Both her and Michiru often display Ignorant of Their Own Ignorance when it comes to criticizing the Inner Guardians. Generally, this takes the form of treating the Inner scouts as new girls who haven't had to make tough sacrifices. The truth being Venus had been active for at least a year prior to the events of season 1 (and Michiru being active at most around season 2), and all five of them dying in heroic sacrifices in the end of Season 1.
- Rei often scolds and mocks Usagi for certain traits and habits, yet she herself exhibits the exact same behavior or does it after scolding Usagi for doing so. One of the best examples of this is in the fifth season, when Usagi is shown worrying about Seiya, at which point Rei shows up and says, "Stop worrying about someone else and go study!" Ignoring that Rei is, at that moment, worrying about someone else and not studying.
openWhich of the examples are accurate and which of the examples are just character bashing? Anime
- Neon Genesis Evangelion:
- Asuka Langley Soryu often proves herself worthy of this trope:
- She always criticizes Shinji for being useless, even though she constantly screws up missions with her own stubbornness and pride.
- She blames Shinji for their botched first kiss, claiming that he's rejecting her, when it was her own fault for goading him into kissing her with convoluted and mixed signals, as well as holding Shinji's nose to prevent his breathing from tickling her, which suffocates him. All of which are very unromantic.
- She frequently calls out Shinji for being so weak and vulnerable, despite the fact that, as the series progresses, it turns out she is just as weak and vulnerable as he is, albeit trying to hide it with aggression and temper tantrums.
- She treats all the boys she's around with contempt and considers them perverts and/or idiots, yet she herself engages in very inappropriate sexual conduct with her guardian, Kaji, and consistently makes and commits idiotic decisions and actions that not only endanger her but others.
- She constantly attacks Shinji for not being "a man" or not "manning up", yet she herself is hardly what one would call "womanly".
- While it's partially true that Misato shows Parental Favoritism towards Shinji, Asuka is the last person to call her out, especially when all she wants and craves is to be praised, loved, and coddled.
- For all her complaints about no one caring for her, she herself is shown to care very little (if at all) for the well-being of her teammates, even belittling them after enduring serious trauma.
- She also has the nerve to blame others for rejecting her when she frequently and deliberately rejects, rebukes, abuses, and takes advantage of others.
- She calls Shinji selfish for wanting to save the world merely to impress his father, yet Asuka's own motive is at its core just as selfish as she does it out of a need for validation too.
- She feels entitled to and demands unconditional devotion and praise from anyone and everyone she meets. However, Asuka feels no obligation to treat others with even the slightest amount of respect and decency unless doing so will keep them under her thrall or otherwise advance her interests in some way; she treats virtually everyone around her with undisguised contempt.
- Asuka is also in no position to chew Shinji out for being afraid of getting hurt and being rejected by others, considering that she herself is afraid of getting hurt by others, and especially because she is one of the people, aside from Gendo, responsible for hurting and rejecting Shinji.
- Asuka gets angry and disgusted at Shinji for complaining, claiming that he's always blaming others, yet she is the one who whines and complains more than anyone in the entire franchise and consistently blames or shifts the blame to others for her own faults.
- Asuka Langley Soryu often proves herself worthy of this trope:
openAdvice on how to proceed with a Bumblekast Page. Videogame
So, for those who don't know, The BumbleKast is a podcast run by semi-famed Sonic the Hedgehog writer Ian Flynn and a close friend of his. From its humble beginnings as a rather standard podcast, it's more recent incarnations have become more frequently about for fun questions from various Sonic fans (myself included). The sticky thing is that it also does occasionally get serious questions pertaining to Sonic lore and due to his increasingly prominent role in the franchise, his answers are frequently treated as Word of God and regularly gets cited on various Sonic trivia pages, even when he makes clear his word only goes so far. And they've had incidents with hostile tropers in the past.
For these reasons, the page would obviously get a huge disclaimer relating to how seriously it is to be taken. I'm wondering if a stricter citation rule would be warranted too. Any other advice before I go forward with it (or if I shouldn't) would be welcome.
Edited by DDRMASTERMopenDropped a Bridge on Him example Live Action TV
A long while ago I added this example to Recap.Doctor Who S 27 E 13 The Parting Of The Ways:
- Dropped a Bridge on Him: Not to anywhere near the extent of say, the Sixth Doctor's death-by-falling-over or the Eighth Doctor's regeneration not (at the time) being explained at all, but the fact that Rose was able to store the vortex energy for several minutes and only got a headache as a result, while the Doctor is killed by just storing it for a few seconds raised more than a few eyebrows.
Another troper later added this underneath the entry:
- Considering that Rose was able to bring Jack back to life, the Doctor might have been able to heal Rose, but couldn't heal himself.
This resulted in a third troper deleting the entire example with "Repair, Don't Respond" in the edit reason. However, would I be right in thinking that the second-level bullet point was speculative troping, and that the right course of action would have been to just delete that rather than nuking the whole example?
Looking back on it I'm not very happy with how I worded the example in the first place anyway, but just so I'm not engaging in a (very slow-motion) edit war, would I be okay to put the example back in as this:
- Dropped a Bridge on Him: The Doctor's dying as a result of holding the vortex energy in his body for roughly five seconds before he returns it to the TARDIS was seen by some fans as an abrupt and poorly-explained reason for his having to regenerate, especially since it comes right after Rose kept the same energy in her body for several minutes of screentime, while using it to wipe out the Daleks and resurrect Jack.
openFlypaper (2011) not on TvTropes Film
Note: I don't fully know how Tv Tropes works, so I am not 100% sure if I am at the correct location for this question.
One of my favorite movies of all time is Flypaper from 2011; It's about a bank being robbed by 2 separate groups, and everything goes wrong.
I cannot find this movie on the website, but I am sure that it contains a lot of tropes, seeing as the movie is heavily comedy based and doesn't take itself seriously.
How can I [or, preferably, with the help of other people] create a page for the movie on this website?
openI think I accidently Edit Warred. Sef reporting
So, on YMMV.Charlotte Flair, I removed
the following from her Base-Breaking Character entry:
- By the 2020s, her Invincible Villain booking has gotten so excessive that it would not be hyperbole to say that she has become unanimously disliked by fans. While her in-ring performances still receive high praise, Charlotte's years-long presence in the title picture and her frequent emasculation of the other women on the roster has exhausted the majority of audiences. Very few fans nowadays are likely to applaud her or think of her as a deserving champion considering the sheer number of more-popular opponents Charlotte has run through and humiliated (the most recent example being Toni Storm, whose booking was so mishandled during their feud that she straight up quit WWE shortly after it ended).
I removed it because it seemed to fit more in a The Scrappy entry then a Base-Breaking Character one and I knew that she wasn't that due to failing the consistently hated rule.
However, then I looked at it again and realized that it looked familiar. So, I looked through the history and realized that I had removed the exact same entry but under The Scrappy trope on the same page and had forgot about it here
and it was added back under her Base-Breaking Character entry here
by a different troper who didn't discuss it anywhere.
So, I think I Edit Warred unintentionally and would like to report myself if that is indeed the case. Does the fact that they are different trope's effect things at all?
Edited by BullmanopenCreated a Funny and Heartwarming subpage with few examples itself.
Like, it's not really a problem normally by it's own, but it's from a spin-off subseries example. BanG Dream! Girls Band Party!☆PICO has it's own Heartwarming and Funny subpages created not by me, although with only one example in the former and two in the latter, while the main franchise's respective subpages have more entries.
Coincidentally, the page image for Funny.Bang Dream is technically also from the Garupa PICO spinoff itself.
This is pretty much grey territory I thought, and I'm just as confused, so I might as well ask here for help on what to do and adapt with this.
Edited by JustNormalMusicLoveropenVague edit reason Film
The YMMV page for Die Hard had this entry under Misaimed Fandom:
- John McClane is often seen as an example by gun rights activists of how "a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun." However, this completely ignores how John spends almost the entire film on the defensive, with his very first move being to run away and try to get help. He also spends a good chunk of the second act simply hiding in a remote part of the building and not confronting the terrorists at all apart from dropping C4 on them.
This was deleted by Miracle@St Olaf with the edit reason merely stating "There's plenty someone can say to argue this, which means it probably doesn't need to be here," but it doesn't make any such argument itself. Should the entry be restored?
Edited by Javertshark13openDo images have to go through image pickin' or not?
The previous Image Pickin' thread
for Hammy Villain, Serious Hero eventually held a crowner for both itself and Good Is Not Soft as they shared images eventually decided on pulling the image that was found there and await a new thread where a new image could be discussed.
The consensus was that the then-image was poor for Good Is Not Soft, and it was decided to remove it.
Alex Hoskins then Seemingly added in a new image
a few weeks ago without discussion on the matter. Am I correct in thinking that this is a no-no and the image should be pulled?
Or did I miss something?
openReport Troper
I'm going to be honest, I was going to wait for tomorrow to thoroughly go through Neeku-Nekku-Nakuru-Nikua's edit and forum history to file a long and comprehensive report, but the situation's simplified itself by becoming an Edit War.
- Here he is
over-potholing a CM entry with an edit reason that for some reason talks about grammar
- Here it is
being reverted to bring it back into entry guidelines
- Here he is
reverting it back and threatening to report the other user if they change it again.
There's a whole lot of other stuff on the CM thread of him asking a bunch of questions that are all answered in the pinned post and then not listening to the answers we give him, but this makes the whole situation pretty simple honestly.
Edit: Their most recent post really summarizes the problem - beyond the threatening tone
, he says "don’t make grammar issues of any kinds", which is kinda a problem for someone basically declaring themselves the grammar police.
openMisplaced IKnewIt Entry? Web Original
In Trivia.Cell Spex, I Knew It! is now YMMV, but it's about CellSpex herself accurately predicting a meme. Should it still be moved to the YMMV page?
openIs this an Edit War?
Awhile back I reported Samazing 91 for edit warring
by re-adding a second bullet to an Unintentionally Sympathetic on YMMV.Landry Series here
. Here was said entry:
- Subverted as Giselle does have some Jerkass moments. One notable example is in Pearl In The Mist where she throws a classmate’s homework (that the girl had been studying religiously for) in the toilet just to prove a point that she shouldn’t work so hard on something that she doesn’t pay as much attention to her personal hygiene, never mind that there was a nicer way to tell someone this. In the same book she also outs Ruby’s friend Abby as biracial to the entire school (keep in mind this was an all white school in the sixties!) and she also got Miss Stevens fired by spreading the false rumour that she was a lesbian! So yeah…
It was removed again by a third troper here
.
However, Samazing 91 re-added
it, if slightly tweaked, not as a second bullet but to the main entry.
Here it was before:
- Unintentionally Sympathetic: Giselle. Yes, she has her flirtatious behaviors but her world was literally turned upside down with the discovery that not only does she have a twin sister but her mother isn't really her mother and Daphne starts becoming frostier toward Giselle as a result of the reveal when they were previously quite close. Punishment seems adamant to get her for the "sin" of not openly accepting her saintly twin sister by making her paralyzed for a time after a car accident, sent off to a boarding school (which she tries to get both Ruby and herself out of by pretending to be her sister), and nails her coffin shut by having her contract encephalitis. In hindsight, much of Giselle's punishments don't manage the wrongs (mostly putting her sister in an unflattering light) yet the reader is told how much of a "bad girl" she is compared to Ruby who is talked up heavily but has her own share of flaws that are desperately glossed over.
Here it is now (I bolded the re-added part):
- Unintentionally Sympathetic: Giselle. True she does have some Jerkass moments. One such example is in Pearl In The Mist where she throws a classmate’s homework (that the girl had been studying religiously for) in the toilet! In the same book she also outs Ruby’s friend Abby as biracial to the entire school (keep in mind this was an all white school in the sixties!) and she also got Miss Stevens fired by spreading the false rumour that she was a lesbian! But her world was literally turned upside down with the discovery that not only does she have a twin sister but her mother isn't really her mother and Daphne starts becoming frostier toward Giselle as a result of the reveal when they were previously quite close. Punishment seems adamant to get her for the "sin" of not openly accepting her saintly twin sister by making her paralyzed for a time after a car accident, sent off to a boarding school (which she tries to get both Ruby and herself out of by pretending to be her sister), and nails her coffin shut by having her contract encephalitis. In hindsight, much of Giselle's punishments don't manage the wrongs (mostly putting her sister in an unflattering light) yet the reader is told how much of a "bad girl" she is compared to Ruby who is talked up heavily but has her own share of flaws that are desperately glossed over.
Is this an Edit War? I know that this is not technically the same edit, but it is re-adding the same information for the third time in two and a half weeks from each other. They also didn't discuss it anywhere, despite me informing them the last time that they needed to discuss re-adding something before doing so. That said, due to not being the exact same edit and maybe fixing the mistake by it no longer being natter (I think), it might not be an Edit War. I am legit unsure.
Edited by BullmanopenConsensus on Handling These Gargoyles Manhattan Clan Edits? Western Animation
Steven Alex 22 made an inaccurate change to the Characters page for the Manhattan Clan in Gargoyles, removing the reference in Antiope's entry to Antiope having been nicknamed that by the Captain of the Guard's daughter Alesand. Not only do we see it happen in the recent issue #4, it was already mentioned by Alesand back in issue #1. Therefore, it is not "All There in the Manual" since it derives from published stories and not just the script. I can't change it back myself without edit warring, since I wrote that part in the first place, so Steven Alex 22 or someone else will have to revert the change.
They also made two strange changes that turned correct grammar into incorrect grammar. In Lefty's entry, they changed "the older biological brother of Demona, whom he resembles" to "Demona's biological older brother, whom he resembles". Moving "whom he resembles" away from the name of the person Lefty resembles makes the sentence lose sense and sound awkward. In Katana's entry, they changed "she and others return from patrol moments before the sun comes up, and she immediately insists to Brooklyn on checking on their egg" to "she and others return from patrol moments before the sun comes up, she immediately insists to Brooklyn on checking on their egg". Removing the "and" makes it a run-on sentence for no apparent reason.
Edited by NOYBopen Questionable deleted example
This was deleted from YMMV.Pokemon Sun And Moon:
- Common Knowledge: Many point to Lusamine being a bad and abusive mother, when the game itself heavily implies that Nihilego's neurotoxins heavily affected her mind, mostly causing her to become obssessed with Ultra Beasts, particularly Nihilego. Not helping the fact that her husband mysteriously vanished sometime prior. There's likewise no real evidence of her being abusive towards her children. At most, controlling of Lillie and dismissive of Gladion. In the post-game, Gladion himself states Lusamine's change was the result of Nihilego.
The edit reason was "Lusamine literally insults her children and treats them with scorn. Verbal abuse is still abuse. Stop placing all the blame on an innocent Pokémon acting on instinct to excuse this vile woman’s behavior. I have suffered from verbal abuse by my own mother and it has deeply affected me, and I see a lot of her behavior reflected in Lusamine."
My issue is what was supposed to be the "Common Knowledge", that she wasn't shown as directly abusive under Nihilego's neurotoxin (which is untrue), or that she was abusive even without said influence (also untrue as objectively portrayed otherwise, but has fans disagree covered by UnintentionallyUnsympathetic.Pokemon), or about the extent of her abuse being speculation/Fanon as opposed to clearly shown (the difference between Fanon/CK is an issue I've noticed)? That would determine the validity of the deletion.
openWeird character folder quote change Film
On 26th Oct, sapphyblue change the folder quote in Mark Hoffman's character folder on Characters.Saw: Jigsaw and Accomplices from a quote said by Hoffman himself:
To one said by another character to him (incidentally, the one Hoffman told the aforementioned line to):
I find this change rather weird because I've never seen any character folder or character-specific page use quotes said by other characters to describe the one whom the folder/page addresses (even if they give an idea of who the character is). I'm not really sure how I should deal with this, though. Is it best if I send sapphyblue a notifier? Should I bring this issue on a forum thread? Or should I do something else? Perhaps it's better to leave it as it is?
Edited by Inky100openIs this work allowed?
So I ended up coming across a page for p#blm, and I'm wondering if this is a project that has been discussed or permitted in the past, because the content looks sus as hell. This webcomic is a load of wall-of-text soyjak memes from 4chan where the shtick is that person A is introduced spouting a huge Wall of Text of racism/sexism/antisemitism/anti-LGBT/whatever hateful rhetoric before person B enters to with an equally huge Wall of Text arguing against their bigotry. All edits on the page since its creation have been handled by one troper.
Putting aside the questionable taste in subject matter (especially when half of it is loads of unfiltered hateful rhetoric written by a 4chan user), and especially not to put the troper on blast (they've done plenty of exceptional work and I fully believe the page was made in good faith), but is this actually something that warrants a page? I know There Is No Such Thing as Notability, but this feels sort of like a weird grey area considering the "soyjak" memes this thing is basing all its characters on are not of its own creation — the content is otherwise an author(s) delivering a pretty blatant war on straw and long proselytizing in "meme" format. Compare it to something like Rage Comics, which itself kind of has problems of coverage but at least treats the "work" about the actual original characters and contexts they're made for.
Edited by number9robotic

I've come to report an edit war from Dvaderstarlord 5. On the Live Action TV page for Franchise Original Sin, they removed the header for Supernatural from the examples from said show while also adding in some examples related to Stranger Things. I added the header for the Supernatural examples back so as to maintain accuracy as to which show the examples related to. However, in very recent times, he's deleted the Supernatural header again for (yet again) undisclosed reasons (despite the examples under this now twice deleted header very clearly applying to Supernatural and not having Jack to do with Stranger Things). And since I was the one who'd previously restored the header the last time, I can't do it this time without edit warring myself.
Edited by SimbafanA1