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openIn-universe YMMV moves?
YMMV.Overanalyzing Avatar is the review shows reaction to the work so objective rather than audiences to the review show, which should be moved to the main page, correct?
Question about these entries:
- Character Derailment: Often Discussed Is Flame Bait so question if viable to move. Note these don't meet this wikis standards for CD.
- He accuses "The Deserter '' of doing this to Zhao, whose introduction he praised for establishing him as a genuinely cunning and imposing villain. Here, he gets goaded into burning his own boats by a twelve year old hurling insults at him.
- He is similarly critical of Azula's Villainous Breakdown in the finale, critising the sheer speed at which it happens.
- Sacred Cow: Played With in regards to Azula, as while OA doesn't consider her (or any character really) to be above criticism, he found out the hard way when criticizing Azula's childhood behavior, take over of Ba Sing Se, and later expedited mental breakdown that her fans are very protective of her, to the point that in his "Overanalyzing Overanalyzing Avatar" video he adamantly refused to discuss Azula's characterization as clips from those scenes are played. This might be worth keeping as a YMMV to the review. But YMMV cannot be played with and this seem's more Avatar's SC status.
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: In "Return To Omashu", he criticizes Bumi for surrendering without giving his people a chance to fight or even consulting them about it. Saying he understands what Bumi was trying to do, but still thinks it was a dick move of him to hand over the city and at least seemingly screwing over his people. Fails to explain why they were supposed to be sympathetic (Bumi was called out in-work), so would normally remove but if this is in-universe is it valid?
openThis entry feels wrong
- Arthur: In S9's "Arthur Makes Waves", Arthur and D.W. go to the MacDonald house during a heat wave to cool off in the pool in their yard, where D.W.'s classmate and Implied Love Interest James shows up shirtlessnote He's shirtless because he had been swimming in the pool himself, nervously asking D.W. if she needs him to kiss her again, to which D.W. responds "Uh-uh" (meaning "No") after a brief pause. The scene is reminiscent of two lovers being nervous about sexual intercourse.
The scene never came off to me like that, and it would be incredibly wrong considering both characters are of kindergarten age. As for the "you don't need me to kiss you again" line, Arthur has a lot of Continuity Nods and it's likely that James just didn't want to get in another awkward situation with D.W., since that only happened last season. Permission to cut?
openPotentially non-existent works and a user with two accounts.
kiaesi
was an editor only for a day and worked on one page, creating Literature.Noblesse Oblige in 2018.
The other editor to the page, who started editing that same day is inaceso
, who also much more recently started editing again in January to make WebOriginal.Fatherless Behaviour.
Even if they are the same user, that's not a problem in of itself. But I can't find any indication that either of these works actually exist (in addition to the latter page being a complete stub). There's a post on its discussion page
.
I've P Med the second account about the stub-ness but I'm not sure what to do about the fact I can't find any trace of either work they made pages for.
openAutoEroticTroping
Hi, I recently made a previous thread on Thorion(aka jet556, aka Donner)
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=132277&type=att
However this thread concerns some contributions Thorion made prior to deleting that account.
As mentioned in the previous thread, Thorion promoted jet556’s work by creating pages about them:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/TheEvabonSaga
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/EnterKenFinlayson
They also made a fanfic recommendation:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/FanficRecs/Detentionaire
However there is also this page:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/LetsPlay/BryanCroiDragon
Like the first two pages, Thorion created this page(and the pages attached to it) and was the main contributor, with contributions by other users primarily being to make corrections/fix errors.
What makes this page also Auto Erotic Troping is that the page mentions that Bryan Croi Dragon’s birthday is September 17, 1992. That is the same birthday as jet556 according to the latter’s profile that The Evabon Saga page has a link to. So Bryan Croi Dragon seems to be the person behind the jet556, Thorion, and Donner accounts, making this is another case of self-promotion.
There’s also the fact that these pages were created by an ban evading account(Thorion) and he’s been caught ban evading again as Donner.
Edited by ClownishchimpopenPokemon ending complaining/misuse?
YMMV.Pokemon To Be A Pokemon Master has these complaints, most if which I removed from other pages per cleanup
.
- Audience-Alienating Ending: When it was announced that this would be the final chapter in Ash's story, with an eleven-part miniseries titled To be a Pokémon Master wrapping things up before Liko and Roy took over, fans were eager to see how Ash would conclude his journey now that he was the World Coronation Series Champion. What came next was a massive disappointment to many on both sides of the Pacific; rather than wrap up any of Ash's story arcs, the series ends with him deciding to go Walking the Earth and befriend every Pokémon he can, while the Team Rocket Trio gets back together and decides to endlessly pursue him even if they don't succeed. Besides the fact that Ash's reunion with Brock and Misty, as well as all of his old Pokémon he was finally rotating into his roster, were just Filler episodes designed to homage the original series with little consequence or Character Development, none of the other dangling plot threads (such as Ash's released Pokémon, any potential of him taking up a romantic relationship with Misty or Serena, or his companions own personal goals) were followed though. Worst yet, this blatant Status Quo Is God not only failed to make Ash a Pokémon Master, but undid Team Rocket's Plot-Mandated Friendship Failure within two episodes, and barely acknowledged Ash being the World Monarch, let alone how he would defend his title. Needless to say, those were expecting a grand farewell to the iconic protagonist were let down. It wasn't severe or widespread enough to count, or at least as severe as this argues. chris4449 who first added it
added it to AudienceAlienatingEnding.Anime And Manga a few weeks after I removed it from the Journeys YMMV page, which other tropers copied back to the page them moved to it's current one. Is this edit warring to re-remove?
- Esoteric Happy Ending: Team Rocket's final resolution is treated as a happy ending despite the fact it's a cementation of their vicious cycle: Even though their latest failed attempt nearly disbanded the trio permanently, they reconcile and conclude that pursuing Pikachu, the Signature Mon of the World Coronation Series Monarch, is worth spending the rest of their lives for despite 25 years of being offered better life opportunities outside of that impossible goal (and outside of evil in general). While Ash leaves the series as the World Champion seeking out new adventures to better than before, the Team Rocket trio leave unchanged as people and reduced to mere annoyances that barely get Ash's attention anymore. Villains getting an unhappy fate for their unrepentant villainy doesn't sound unintentionally unhappy. This is those who liked them unhappy with their fate which is something else.
- Fan-Disliked Explanation: The final episode establishes that Ash still isn't a Pokémon Master and Ash won't consider himself one until he's befriended every Pokémon he can. Many fans took issue with this feeling it was ludicrous that the anime wouldn't grant Ash the status of Pokémon Master despite this being his last time as the main character and getting crowned as the strongest trainer on the planet. Other fans took issue with how vague Ash's definition of a Pokémon Master was. These fans note Ash's word choice could mean noting anything from catching one Pokémon of every species (making it identical to Goh), or befriending every single individual Pokémon in the world (which is a physical impossibility given the large quantity and some Pokémon like the Malamar trio being unrelentingly evil). This shows there never was an official definition, and Ash decided on a new definition. Besides seeming misuse as it's not the Explanation (how/why) part that's disliked, this seems part of the general complaining so I'm bringing/asking here.
Thoughts, permission to re-remove the first two?
openCut Pages (further clean-up) Western Animation
One final query about my two Disney fanfics (and the tropes pages for them which I acknowledge were purely self-promotional). Will the cut tropes pages become invisible on the search are at some point if someone were to type "Cinderella: The TRUE Sequel" or "Once Upon a Studio: Version 2.0"? I'd just like to ask just to make absolutely sure that nobody can gain access to the cut pages, because I'm well aware this time that TV Tropes advises against self-promotion.
don't worry though if you don't think there is a way to stop any cut pages from appearing in search areas
openActor Allusion in Creator Page
I was wondering whether, if an actor has played a role that in some way or other references a previous role (Actor Allusion), that can be added to the Creator Page?
The example is John Malkovich who has a role in the upcoming adaptation (Ripley) of The Talented Mr. Ripley. He previously played the title role of Tom Ripley in an adaptation of the sequel of the The Talented Mr. Ripley: Ripley's Game. This is alluded to in the show where he tells Tom Ripley (now played by Andrew Scott) he likes the name.
This actor allusion has already been put on the work page of Ripley, but I was wondering whether it could also be mentioned of the page of Malkovich himself?
Edited by king15openMissing piece for resurrected trope
Years ago, a TLP draft of mine, Workers Wear Overalls
, was created, only to peter out a couple months later. Now, I've found that Rough Overalls
, basically the same thing, not only launched successfully a couple weeks ago, it has all but one of my examples (with the missing one instead going to the equally-new Kiddy Coveralls). After a tense argument between my conscious and my emotions, I decided to let this apparent theft slide, but I do wish they'd copied my description too, as the second paragraph in Workers Wear Overalls details all the reasons why someone would wear overalls with no undershirt, while Rough Overalls distills it down to the fanservice element. I'd like to know if there's any way to bring over the missing, non-fanservice elements in a manner that fits the new format. I typed up that whole thing myself, and I'd hate to see it go to waste.
- Yes, there's probably a forum thread for this, but I've had bad luck with the forums as of late; too many posts at one time means the earlier ones get ignored.
openAdding Broken Base to YMMV Sonic Prime Page? Western Animation
So, since Sonic Prime had just wrapped up, is it time to make a Broken Base section for the YMMV page? Some of the suggestions for the Broken Base section are:
1) The characterization of Sonic himself has caused a split in the fanbase. Some fans find Sonic being characterized as being too immature found it to be completely alienated from his more laid back yet sensible portrayal in the games. Other fans however, think that having Sonic have more flaws in this version makes him more interesting as a character.
2) The canon of this series has also been divided in the fandom as some fans questioned about when this series exactly took place in the game canon and why does Sonic act way more differently in this series in comparison to how he was portrayed in Sonic Frontiers?
Edited by RabbitearsblogopenRepeat AutoEroticTroping offense Webcomic
I ended up coming across the page TearJerker.Sonic Into Across And Beyond, as the main page has come up in the related query for another work I follow.
This would not be a problem if not for the following two reasons:
- The sole contributor to the article is Motorbike User 43, who is also the author of this fic.
- This person has already been suspended before
for Auto-Erotic Troping.
Though I hate to throw another user under the bus (they've consistently reacted very poorly to being called out for policy violations, self-flagellating rather than trying to improve), I draw the line at behavior indistinguishable from ignorance.
Edited by TrocyteVopenHow should I summarize this to make this a more concise example?
- Before and a bit during her Character Development set in, Amity Blight showed a bad habit of not practicing what she preaches.
- Amity said that it was her job as a top student to "encourage" those struggling, such as her former friend Willow, to keep trying (condescendingly), but when she lost her badge, she made a terrible example by acting out at the school cafeteria in an attempt to expose Luz and Willow's deception. It seemed that she cared more about her status than how she should present herself to her peers as a role model.
- In the same episode, as stated above, she was very demeaning to Willow for struggling in her abomination class honestly, yet she was very upset when Willow decided to cheat to pass, apparently not thinking that her treatment of her was partly the reason why she decided to do so.
- Amity was fine with nearly ruining Luz's dream of becoming a witch, but when she was unknowingly cheating on Lilith's part during the witches' duel in front of the Emperor's Coven and that it might jeopardize her future in joining them, it was considered an atrocity. Additionally, in "Reaching Out", it is revealed that she never wanted to join any coven and that her enlisting in the Emperor's Coven was her mom's dream, suggesting that Amity went along with it to minimize her misery, but it also shows that Amity got worked up over something she never actually wanted in the first place.
- Amity also told Boscha to leave Willow alone in "Hooty's Moving Hassle" since she was "born without talent", but she had no problem patronizing Willow herself in her debut.
- The same episode also showed that she was Lonely Among People and didn't like her Girl Posse, suggesting that she longed for real companionship, but when Luz offers her a chance at a true friendship, Amity rebuffs her and treats her with hostility and contempt, for a while at least.
- Part of the reason why she has an estranged relationship with her siblings is because they get away with everything and believe that as Blights, they need to uphold a higher standard, which was the exact opposite of what she did during her interactions with Luz, Willow, and others in general because of her unapologetic, unaccountable, and entitled behavior.
- She called Luz a bully over a series of misunderstandings despite her own hostile and antagonistic behavior toward Luz and Willow. While Luz was trying to make up and befriend her the whole time, she also has an Immediate Self-Contradiction when she says she doesn't get Luz, further showing that Amity isn't even putting in the minimum effort to get to know her despite "figuring out Luz's deal."
- She also accused Luz of prying into her friends' lives when Amity herself was the one who accidentally set Willow's mind ablaze to hide her past friendship out of pride, fear, and a refusal to face her problems.
- Before and a bit during her Character Development set in, Amity Blight showed a bad habit of not practicing what she preaches.
openPrideful Can Be Good?
I was looking at how the polar opposites of Chronic Self Deprecation and Inferiority Superiority Complex can progress, both positives and negatives. But both are simply regarded as a Vice without a word of resolution.
I know Pride can be positive for self worth improvement, like look at any Hero who is motivated by their friends, family, heritage or achievements. I just wanted a deeper look on the tropes surrounding those stories and how their character journies might be distinct from one another. How foils can meet in the middle or support one another. Or make things worse for each other.
openOverspeculating the Pesticide in Apaches?
I've noticed in the pages for Apaches, the edits there are insistent that the pesticide Sharon drank was a weed killer containing Paraquat. This is never specified in the film itself, and yet tropers like Goji Biscuits are insistent in adding that it "likely contained paraquat" if the recent edits are anything to go by, and the section in the Nightmare Fuel page go into detail on how paraquat kills, even though again, it was never specified to have such.
Is this just a me problem or does this require fixing?
Edited by RedBerryBlueCherryopenCan This Really Be Considered Narm, Or Is It Misuse?
I was looking through the pages for the fan fic The Sun Will Come Up, and the Seasons Will Change and I noticed that in the YMMV page, a user put in this entry:
- Narm: Nora is revealed to be a neo-Nazi in her debut when she walks across the snow, and the cut of her shoes leave swastikas in her footprints. It's meant to be a shocking moment, but the image of a hate symbol being molded into the bottom of someone's shoes with the purpose of actually leaving footprints in that shape comes off as so sudden and over-the-top it rolls into hilarity.
I know this kind of stuff is subjective for each troper, but reading over it...I don't know, something about it feels really off to me. I might be biased here as I'm a huge fan of the fan fic in question, but reading the scene in its actual context, I couldn't find anything in the fic itself or its writing that made the scene in question come off as unintentionally hilarious or over-the-top like the troper who made the edit claims. Plus, as weird as this sounds, I found out through watching a documentary that there actually are such things as companies that make the exact kind of boots with little swastikas molded onto the soles, so it's not something that was just pulled out of their imagination. Something about the wording feels really off to me too, but I'm admittedly not an expert on these matters, so for all I know I'm probably reading too deep into it. What do you guys think? Is this a misuage of Narm, or is it actually following the trope page's rules?
Edited by TwilightPegasusopenOverly negative editor?
On March 3rd, {{Tropers/2HeadedMoonOctopus}} added an entry for the game Jujutsu Kaisen: Cursed Clash to Video Game Generations: Seventh Onwards, and since then, particularly earlier today, has been serial tweaking the entry to add more and more negativity to it. Given the Horrible namespace, this by itself isn't overly unusual, but I recognized the name, because in December, the same user made a handful of edits to VideoGame.Star Wars Jar Jars Journey Adventure Book which were also negative in nature, including creating a YMMV page that is almost nothing but negativity.
This could just be me overreacting, but if this is a pattern, it might be worth addressing before it goes any further. From a cursory glance at their recent edit history, they seem to have spread some negativity regarding Cursed Clash to some other JJK related pages, and I also found a handful of negative edits to other controversial works like YMMV.Lady Ballers and YMMV.Willys Chocolate Experience.
Edited by JankyKongopen TLP Editor editing other's drafts past basic tweaks
Aqua Eclipse has been editing other people's TLP proposals without regularly saying or stating what they are doing, and in some cases has made major changes to the proposal, when they are not the creator.
- here
on Gratuitous Chinese
- here
on Fighting Your Future Self
- here
on my own, Rough Overalls (it was formatting, but I'd have appreciated some notation in the replies)
- here
on Kiddy Coveralls, another I'm working on, though they stated what they did
- ETA: here
on Homeowners' Autocracy, where they added an example directly instead of putting it in the comments and said so
.
They were asked by War Jay 77 to stop editing in this fashion
. Twice.
At this point a reminder needs to be sent to abide by the TLP Guidelines of not editing other people's drafts without asking or explaining themselves—and even if it's a small typo or formatting, to still say something. TLP isn't the general wiki at large and the proposals aren't up for open edits until they're launched.
Edited by NethiliaopenHelp with finding a trope that mentions djinns
I was planning to ask this in Trope Finder but the wording in it gave me the impression it's just to ask if a trope already exists, so sorry if I'm asking this in the wrong place.
So there's a trope where one of its examples is explaining how a djinn grants wishes in the original stories, and the explanations is if you ask for a property (Maybe a kingdom), he won't create one from scratch and will just buy the property or at least the paperwork for it.
The trope itself isn't about djinns in particular, I think it was just explaining the difference between people's belief and what actually happened, but I'm not sure if that is what the trope was about since seemingly it's not included in Common Knowledge.
I'm pretty sure the example uses the word "mundane" to describe the djinn's simple solution to getting the property.
open What constitutes an Ass Pull? Western Animation
Essentially, I was thinking of adding the trope in Hazbin Hotel in regards to the whole 'angels can only be hurt by angelic steel'.
Not in the concept itself but the fact that no demon in the 1000 years the exterminations happened had never figured it out, that no demons ever thought to try this.
And the fact that Vaggie would not know this, despite having being maimed by angelic steel.
Would this constitute an Ass Pull or is there another trope that would fit this?
openVandalizing a page
There's a troper who has been vandalizing a fanfic's page. While they pretend to act in good faith on the page itself, they've also been boasting about what they've been doing on social media and it's quite clear that they just want to bash the fic itself while smearing the author. What can we do in those situations?
Edited by AnaeLeone

I noticed how Sweet Home (the Korean Webtoon) is listed under "Webcomics" and I'm wondering if this is really the best designation for this or if there should be a subcategory for East Asian work. Technically it's a webcomic, but the "comic" section proper seems to lean more towards Western work and Webcomics seems to oftem fo the same. However, Manga and Anime have their own sections and subsections but Chinese and particularly Korean work (manhua) is really gaining momentum and it might make more sense to give those their own page? Or count manga/manhua posted on apps like Webtoons which are often professionally done, under the manga tab itself, etc.
I mostly say this because not just the manga/anime but J Horror Tropes has a page but there's in fact a huge amount of overlap with horror films from other Asian countries like South Korea and Thailand. Maybe there is a way to put these things together?
I'm sorry if this is rambling. I enjoy troping around if you will and while there's often great lists of subgenres for manga or light novels, I don't see many for the Korean/Thai/Chinese equivalents.