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openThis "Does This Remind You of A" Entry in Smiling Friends Western Animation
So, there is an entry in the President Jimble section of the Smiling Friends: Clients that goes like this:
- Does This Remind You of Anything?: He pretty much combines the worst qualities and accusations of presidents Donald Trump and Joe Biden.
- Like Trump, Jimble is a Fat Slob in an ill-fitting suit with ego-centered problems and selfish motivations, abused the "presidential alert" system, endorses a widely-condemned foreign dictator and is widely condemned by the international community and local media.
- Like Joe Biden, Jimble is a former Vice President coasting on his predecessor's goodwill, constantly making verbal gaffes during speeches, undermined by his health issues, under fire for supporting a foreign leader who's widely condemned by the international community while, at the other end, receiving extreme support from local media.
Should this be on the page since it sounds a little too political for the general characters' page (granted, the episode that features President Jimble is political, but the episode never made this distinction).
open"Writers Cartoon". Should it have a page here? Western Animation
I've been on twitter and a couple of John Kricfalusi fanboys (spumdonor and eatmyspum) have been throwing around the expression "writer cartoon".
In a surface level, it seems to refer to animated series that let their dialogue to do all the work when it comes to the comedy whereas the animation take a back seat. These two (and supposedly Kricfalusi himself) hate these kinds of cartoons because they don't take enough advantage of things like going off model or smear frames. Instead,"writer cartoons" rely on pop culture references, puns, Catskill humor, parodies and other things that "kill" the comedy.
Writer cartoons include "Animaniacs", "Tiny Toon Adventures", and I guess everything made by Tom Ruegger.
EDIT: Accourding to "Cartoon Aesthetics" (actually spumdonor's YT account), a writer cartoon is a "cartoon not written by cartoonists".
Edited by Numbuh1507openAnother user removing my WMG entries Videogame
Just now, ttuser023 removed
some content I added
to my own WMG assumptions in WMG.MultiVersus, while at the same time adding an assumption of their own.
As far as I'm aware (since the only content concerning about WMG entries that I know thus far is the description on the main Wild Mass Guessing page), all assumptions should be welcomed regardless of how legitimate and/or outlandish it sounds, unless it doesn't seem too much like a proper theory (which even then seems to be a hard condition to reach in WMG entries). This should imply that while you can remove assumptions you had added yourself beforehand, removing those of other users wouldn't be really allowed.
Aside from sending a PM to ttuser023 so that they can be aware of this query (which I've already done), what should I do in this situation?
Edited by Inky100openWhere do I go to postulate new trope ideas?
I've noticed a few tropes in fiction that don't appear to have pages on this wiki, but I don't really feel capable of undertaking the massive undergoing that is making a new trope page myself.
Is there anywhere on this site I can throw around my ideas, and see if any more experienced tropers find any good enough to pick up?
openSpeculation? Live Action TV
I found this on Fridge.Ghosts US:
- Many of the ghosts have a power related to who they were as a Living or how they died.
- (Multiple valid entries)
- Hetty's ghost power, if it matches the matriarch of the original, would be the ability to appear in photographs (but not electronic media). This would be in line with her responsibility in life, having to maintain the proper appearance for all the excesses she and Elias (mostly Elias) did during their lives.
As of the end of season three, Hetty's ghost power has not yet been revealed (unless you count being able to use the telephone cord she used to strangle herself as a rope as a power). The entry even mentions that this hasn't yet been confirmed. Would it be okay to delete the entry on Hetty on the grounds of speculative troping?
openExample from Rudolph Special
I would fix it myself, but I don't want an Edit War. The example...
- Artistic License – Music: The Elf Foreman claims the tenor section of his song was weak. While this may be the case In-Universe, to the viewers there was actually a tenor and it was quite clear.
openStarting a thread for Self Demonstrating Character Pages
It's a common thing for Self-Demonstrating character pages to get cut for not meeting the specific conditions regarding pages, as quoted directly from the page:
- Does the character have an interesting speech pattern?
- Does a specific quirk of that character translate well to an article?
- Does the character have a unique personality, not a stock character type, that can be maintained for the entirety of the page?
However, a key problem is that there is a small amount of users who don't really look into these conditions, which is why some pages later get cut for not meeting them.
I believe that we need a thread to help brainstorm ideas for which characters should get Self-Demonstrating Character Pages, and find ways to make them work within the conditions laid out on the page. Perhaps we could provide tips on how to make a character come off as less "generic" when writing a page coming from their point of view. I don't know which forum the possible thread could belong to, but that could also be a question to be answered.
openTrope removal on Um Jammer Lammy
In February, MrAnonimo removed
this entry from Trivia.Um Jammer Lammy without any reason.
- Word of Gay: Rodney Greenblat responded to a fan's inquiry by saying that he would love to see Lammy and Katy as a couple
, and would incorporate it into the story if he was ever asked to design a new Lammy game. Later on, he drew a piece for Valentine's Day where they play a love song together
. Most fans have taken this as his confirmation that Lammy and Katy are in a relationship.
The removal strikes me as odd, since Greenblat is one of the series' creators and the entry fits the trope. While I noticed that two of MrAnonimo's edits seem to be removing entries regarding Lammy and Katy's relationship, the content removed didn't fit (entries for Les Yay and Fan-Preferred Couple that don't fit if they've been confirmed as dating, and natter on a Self-Fanservice entry) so I don't see anything off.
Should I re-add the entry?
openShould there be a separate thread for 'Woman bites Woman' ?
Woman bites woman
A variation of man bites man. Not many examples on that thread.
I found a few examples for movies:
The heroine and villain both bite each other in Friday the 13th (1980)
Christina Applegate bites Cameron Diaz's foot in The Sweetest Thing (2002).
Kiele Sanchez bites Milla Jovovich's wrist to free herself in A Perfect Getaway(2009)
Neve Campbell bites Hannah Quinlivan's hand to free herself in Skyscraper (2018).
For Live Action TV shows:
Mary Louise Parker bites Tonye Patano's hand in a brief fight in Weeds(2005)
Jaime Pressly bites Juliette Lewis' wrist in a brief fight in My Name is Earl (2005).
openDoes Silvers Rayleigh (One Piece) count as an example of "World's Strongest Man"? Anime
Another user and I are having a disagreement over whether or not he constitutes the trope, at least when he was at his prime strength. My argument comes from the fact that, as a character, he was the right hand of the former strongest man, Gol D. Roger, and that he often leverages his reputation as a warrior of legendary renown to bluff enemies out of battles. While he's no longer at his peak, at one point he was decidedly in the running as being the strongest.
I also pointed out that the trope itself does not come from a defined character tier list, but rather, someone who is considered in story as being a contender for the strongest. Additionally, I noted that other characters (both in One Piece and not) have the trope applied to them despite there being other contenders for the title of "the" strongest.
What are everyone's thoughts on the matter?
Edited by WindraysopenSomething in Muppets (2015) That Never Actually Happened? Live Action TV
So I recall something in the page for The Muppets (2015) that's been there for a while now.
- Big Eater:
- Piggy gorges herself on a basket of cheeses after Fozzie manages to break through her emotional barriers by accident.
- Kermit is revealed to be a stress eater. He even asks for more food after eating so much that he can't move.
While I can confirm it's true Kermit is a stress eater, I can't find anywhere else that brings up a part where "He even asks for more food after eating so much that he can't move." and I've looked through the episodes and it doesn't seem to happen. Did I miss something, or did somebody put up misinfo for the sake of troping with one hand? (considering what 'eating so much they can't move' usually means.)
Edited by RedBerryBlueCherryopenNOPE discrepancy?
How come on Internet Backdraft it says that Fandom Heresy is No On-Page Examples, but there are on-page examples on Fandom Heresy itself?
Edited by moxedenopenA troper who posted extremely biased and outright fabricated edits due to shipping bias Videogame
I saw troper Sayacha change several YMMV entries on Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth and even wrote on Ship Sinking (videogames) that had very biased takes and even blatant lies. I felt compelled to delete and undo their edits, especially the claim on the Ship Sinking page. As I've said there, the claim that protagonist Cloud Strife "friend zones" Aerith Gainsborough in the final chapter of Rebirth is complete fabrication. There are two ways their conversation can go, based on Relationship Values. He either enthusiastically looks forward to going on a date with her again, or responds with less enthusiasm, but he never outright rejects her. Writing that Aerith "probably realized she doesn't like him romantically" is another very biased reading. All she said was that she really likes Cloud but is unsure yet what kind of "like" she feels. It's a deliberately vague response. Anyone with common sense and an objective mind can see that what I say is true by looking at Youtube videos of that scene on Chapter 14.
Sayacha also claimed on both Ship Sinking and the YMMV page that developer's commentary on a book (Ultimania) allegedly said that Aerith was "certainly killed off again" and that developers "confirmed" it themselves. Another blatant fabrication. I checked the claim and the only thing that came up from every non-biased fan translator who translated that Japanese book was that the developers deliberately designed the outcome of Aerith's fate as of Rebirth to be vague and mysterious. Did she die? Is the Aerith shown "alive" afterwards a mere illusion by Cloud? Or is there something more going on? The game's story introduces the concept of Alternate Self and what appears to be Alternate worlds. There are no details yet revealed as to how this phenomena occurs within the lore of FF 7 but it's there. And the developers made a deliberate narrative choice to keep the ending of the game ambiguous and leaving the story full of questions in order to entice players to look forward to the next entry for answers. Ask yourselves. What kind of writer/developer would be incompetent enough to spend YEARS of development time to deliberately create an ambiguous situation to create speculation for the next few years, only to go a couple of months later and say "Actually, nothing changed. LOL"?
I'm also reporting this because I regretfully ended up engaging in an edit war on the YMMV page by deleting/reverting Sayacha's biased edits back to the more neutral posts. However, the main reason I'm reporting this is because I'm seeing another bad sign that the FF 7 pages are about to be swarmed with another wave of edit warring by extremely biased shippers intent on spreading their agenda with bad faith justifications. We've seen this nightmare before in the original 1997 version of FF 7. It may be best to take preventive measures by locking down the pages of FF 7 Remake and Rebirth too until the third and final game finally clarifies everything.
open Super Drowning Skills page is written only for Video Games?
The details only talk about how video games tend to make water a death hazard you don't walk into. Which definitely is a trope in itself - but can really only apply to video games. Yet the examples talk about instances when a character can't swim, how it plays into the story, et cetera. Which isn't hinted at by the trope page. I feel like the ability to swim in itself, as a trope, should be elaborated on on that page, or listed as a separate page.
openPage for the Eras Tour?
The Eras Tour by Taylor Swift is a creative entity in and of itself, with performance, entertainment, theatrical, and storytelling elements, (I'd go so far as to say it resembles a variety/vaudeville show and with musical theatre influences), and has been released as a film. Should I make a separate page for it, and gather tropes from the live performances of the songs there, instead of leaving them scattered around the albums?
openElden Ring DLC gets its own Video Game page Videogame
So Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree suddenly got a separate page under the video game page (VideoGame.Elden Ring Shadow Of The Erdtree). While I'm not sure it's the right namespace to be used, it feels like it's jumping the gun separating itself so quickly.
The only other times this happened was with Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty, which fleshed out well enough, and The Witcher 3, which treated them as continuations of the "Tropes A-Z" subpage creation but that comes with consistency issues.
My question is, do we really need to separate the Elden Ring's DLC from the base game in this instance?

iandroidchris's (note "chris" in the name) only activity on the site are
I feel he's only here to sell his $35 business books on Amazon
with some incomprehensible content, because a quick look shows Chrisopher has made a page about himself on pretty much every website possible.
Edited by Amonimus