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openIndexing Law and Order episodes Live Action TV
Apologies in advance if I missed something, a thread, a how to, but my searches have been fruitless. I am filling in Law and Order episode recaps, but I don't know how to index them once they are created. I've been able to self teach and learn from other posts, but this one I'm stuck on.
openUse of Filler on work pages? Live Action TV
I'm adding the trope Filler to work pages, but would this sort of thing be OK for usage:
- Filler: Due to its high episode count of 22 episodes, this show has some episodes that tend to be standalone and not focusing on the story arc, and it's been one of the show's major criticisms. However, some episodes that seem like filler actually are relevant later; but in general, there are episodes which don't add much to the wider Story Arc of the season itself.
To avoid trope misuse - Square Peg, Round Trope - what would qualify as filler?
I've added this to series like Grey's Anatomy, Supergirl (2015) and The Blacklist but want to avoid square peg, round trope.
Also, would the trope qualify for that administrivia page?
If anyone could help I'd be grateful for any advice.
openSuspicious edits Live Action TV
I know Draco in Leather Pants is in need of TRS; probably there are inconsistencies in its definition and use. Still, I'm pretty sure the proper context for any trope entry needs to say how all of the requirements of the trope are met. For DILP, one of such requirements seems to be that the character in question is a jerk and/or a villain; consequently, I think a DILP entry needs to mention their bad actions. Also, I don't think a DILP entry should actually argue in their favor.
So, on YMMV.Wanda Vision, a Draco in Leather Pants entry saw a series of suspicious tweaks.
- Firstly, they deleted the bit about Hayward refusing to let Wanda bury Vision saying, "the reasons he gives her for why he can't give her Vision's body, that he can't just let a three-billion dollars’ android made of vibranium, an extremely valuable resource In Universe, be buried somewhere, are legitimate reasons that would've kept Wanda from attaining his body independent of Hayward and his Project Cataract plan." This sounds like justifying Hayward's disregarding Vision's will and treating him as a chunk of metal and not a person.
- Secondly, they said in their edit reason, "he did not make an attempt on the twins' lives twice. He only did it once" and cut any mention about that from the entry proper.
Then, Tropers/rva98014 edited
the entry with the edit reason, "Hayward did not plan to use the anomaly from the start to animate White Vision. He discovered Wanda's residual energy would work as a power source and used it." I don't think this explains the removal of the point about Hayward's disinterest in rescuing the townsfolk. Also, I feel that "he is quite willing to ensure Wanda is killed" is quite downplaying the fact that Hayward attempts to murder her by firing a missile at her. (In another reason for deletion
, the same troper cited "generalizations without providing real specifics.")
I edited the entry
to (hopefully) accurately describe Hayward endangering and attacking the kids. I mentioned the speculation about them being hex creations - well, I thought this was interesting; I think the show's final scene implies they are real but saying so in a trope entry would verge on Speculative Troping, so I wrote that this is left ambiguous in the show, erring on the side of caution. I'm sorry about my grumpy edit reason.
Then, Tropers/rva98014 edited
the entry again with the edit reason, "Draco In Leather Pants which is the situation where the fandom takes a controversial or downright villainous character and downplays his/her flaws. An example of this trope simply has to point out how this is occurring. It's not necessary to argue whether the "downplaying" is justified or not." I don't get how the edit reason goes with the edit itself because it removes the part pointing out Hayward's villainous actions but keeps the part that allegedly justifies him.
Then, Tropers/rva98014 made another little edit
with the reason, "I think the "apparently" is needed. Yes he did disregard Vision's will but the story is unclear if he had done this without approval. It would not be the first time that a will was overridden nor were his actions particularly clandestine making it hard to justify "project cataract" was a top secret project no one but he knew about." This doesn't bring any proof from the show proper to back up this speculation. The speculation that shifts the blame from Hayward.
Also, Tropers/rva98014 edited
another entry saying in their edit reason, "Agatha was not running the entire show, she just kept introducing elements of chaos into the scenarios because she was trying to get Wanda out of her pretend world. Sparky was never a real dog either and Agatha knew that she was only "killing" a prop." While the part about Agatha not running the entire show is true, the rest sounds like justifying her, too, and decisively calls Sparky "a prop." IIRC, the show doesn't indicate he isn't a real dog.
There's a mod note on top of the page saying that the guy is "an antagonist meant to be seen as an antagonist," and you should not whitewash him. From these edits, I get the feeling the Draco in Leather Pants entry about him is gradually turning into a self-demonstrating one, what's with cutting bits about his bad actions, downplaying, and justifying them. Should something be done?
openLarge Scale Edits and no response Live Action TV
So troper Metal Shadow X is one of the most active editors of the Arrowverse. And I want to make it clear that I do not wish to diminish him or his contributions which, for the most part, have been pretty good. However, as of late he keeps making
tons of large-scale adjustments to all pages, constantly moving stuff and never discussing any of it.
While that by itself might not warrant any action, what tipped me off was him moving the Star Labs Page
to Team Flash
.
The biggest problem here is that he outright deleted some character folders and hasn't put them up anywhere else. I have messaged him this morning, but haven't received anything back. He did make 1 edit afterwards though.
What would be the best course of action?
Edited by ForenperseropenCharacter Agenda-Based Editing? Live Action TV
Civil War is known for being a film with a very strong Broken Base, and Melbell 18 made several edits
to Captain America: Civil War that seem to be biased in Tony Stark's (himself a massively Base-Breaking Character who is notorious for inspiring Draco in Leather Pants and Ron the Death Eater reactions) favor.
Do I have permission to reword the language and remove some of the more accusatory changes?
Edited by AlleyOopopenPossible misuse of narm Live Action TV
The YMMV page of Superman & Lois has two entries of Narm, both from the pilot, which read:
- The dramatic intensity with which Clark confesses his origin story to Jon and Jordan can be so over-the-top in a "well, when you say it like that, this whole thing is actually pretty silly" kind of way. With the way it's played out, you'd almost expect for Clark to laugh and yell "just kidding!" instead of proving himself by lifting the truck.
- Nobody at the party noticing Jordan using his heat vision during the brawl, even though he's surrounded by dozens of people, some of whom are filming the brawl. Makes the emotional and shocking scene seem unintentionally comedic.
I have to ask, is this valid? Narm only applies for moments that are meant to be taken seriously but instead come off as hilarious, not moments that either fall flat or just don't have the intended effect.
Pls stop calling everything Harsher In Hindsight
openRequesting assistance with cleaning up the Series/BigBrother pages Live Action TV
So... I'm not sure this is the place to bring this up (I don't use forums much if ever), but I've been meaning to for a while now...
I edit for the show Survivor a lot, and someone brought up the point that you aren't really supposed to bring real life into reality tv shows.
This is a bit of an issue where Big Brother is concerned. I am mainly referring to the U.S versions, as they are the bulk of what's discussed.
On top of that, a lot of the entries are what people call... bad. Many entries are blatantly written during the season, with tense not being updated in the slightest, and a wholeeeeeee lotta entries are just wrong, particularly audience reactions.
I'd fix this myself but
1) I do not watch or even have the capability of watching Big Brother, and am restricted to what the wiki + internet will tell me (which is not all that much) + what is blatantly wrong (which is a lot).
2) New stuff keeps getting added and I can't keep up.
3) Some of the stuff that sounds too ridiculous and/or conspiratorial to be factually accurate is actually correct. For example, these:
- Creator's Pet: Frankie of 16. They even delayed a challenge for a couple of hours to save him from elimination.Broken Base: Is Big Brother 21 a good season? Due to the unique combination of having one of the worst pre-jury sessions in the history of the show, along with a great jury phase where nearly every pre-jury villain got what was coming to them week after week, only to end with the season's unofficial heroes getting evicted just before the finale for the season's Manipulative Bastard to win, and then promptly get called out on his racist behavior... yeah, Big Brother 21 is polarizing, to say the least.
To give an idea of some of the issues happening here, I'm gonna post some images.

- Just blatant misuse here, though I do wonder where it goes (Julie Chen is the show's host)Click if you need to see the transcript Big "OMG!": A few days before Double Eviction night, CBS Chairman Les Moonves - Julie Chen's husband - was fired in the wake of several accusations of sexual harassment against him. At the conclusion of DE night, Julie signed off using her married surname for the first time in the show's history. Within the hour, Twitter exploded.

- This is somehow an Adorkable entryClick if you need to see the transcript Raven is very lovable and dorky and she's also the type to get easily excited over things. She shows to be enthusiastic and perky come every eviction vote with Julie. Raven was also the one who wanted temporary tattoos after the "Inked & Evicted" challenge ended. Her showmance partner Matt chose a temptation where he was made to dress as a ballerina. Raven is a dance teacher, so, naturally, after the challenge ends, he gave his tutu for her to wear for fun. However, her adorable personality is later on tainted and viewed in a more negative light as she reveals that underneath her cutesy persona, there lies a very nasty and violent personality. She's not as cute when she's bullying people or exploding in anger at others. The fact that she constantly embellishes stuff about her real life does not make her the least bit endearing.

- Under Critical DissonanceClick if you need to see the transcript Season 20. Fans love it because it's gotten back to unpredictable gameplay, but there's a lot of ego in the house this season and controversial behavior both on the televised episodes and especially on the live feeds.

- Under Never Live It DownClick if you need to see the transcript Averted - Jade Goody would have never lived down the bullying of Shilpa Shetty in Celebrity Big Brother or her stints on the previous Big Brothers if she were still alive. Which is, in hindsight... very saddening. Goody's vile behavior was punished on the most extreme level- her body withered and developed terminal cervical cancer. She spent one month married to fellow houseguest Jack Tweed. And what makes this so eerie is that Goody developed this cancer when she appeared on the Indian version of Big Brother, Bigg Boss... after she previously harassed an Indian actress... two days into the playing.....almost as though she fell victim to a spiteful Indian curse coming onto that show.

- Deleted this example of The Scrappy already, but it's a worth posting as an example because it has pretty much everything you shouldn't do.Click if you need to see the transcript Swaggy C is hated for being an arrogant douche 90% of the time, and showmancing Bayleigh 10% of the time. As soon as that guy opened his mouth he quickly became one of the most disliked African American contestants in a VERY long time. Though like Rachel he did get some woobie points after revealing his backstory where his mom left him at three years old, and his dad died when he was in high school. He even got a Take That, Scrappy! from Julie Chen who showed him his intro video showing he didn't want to be seen as the jerky, smug, alliance leader. He's also a sore loser given that he refuses to talk to Tyler the one who orchestrated his backdoor on the outside.
And thennnnn there's the Character pages, which consist of pretty much everything the viewers want them to.
I seriously have no idea what goes into character pages normally, but I'm pretty sure it ain't any of this.

- (Also contains speculation and assumptions)Click if you need to see the transcript Too Dumb to Live: Why did Derrick choose to become aligned so close with Cody? Because Cody's too stupid to think Derrick could possibly be a threat. He's thought of pretty much no major moves by himself. To wit: Cody won an early Head of Household. He used it to target Brittany, who had no intention of getting him out. He never stopped to question whether or not she'd actually target him. Joined in on voting out a lot of people who would have taken him further in the game like Christine and Nicole. Not once stopped to think that Derrick had never faced the block until the final 50 minutes of the game, missing the obvious red flag of that and how he was just following Derrick's word. When confronted with the chance to bring Victoria, who would have gotten him a guaranteed win, to the finals, he chose to take Derrick. Guess who won?

- The What An Idiot page for this show is somehow nicer than the character page.Click if you need to see the transcript Idiot Hero: Cody comes across as one of the dumber and less intelligent houseguests of the season. He has proven time and time again that he is not smart in terms of strategy and he strongly depends on Derrick in the strategic department. Cody won the Final HOH of the season, which meant that he was able to choose or decide who he wanted to take to the Final 2 with him. His options were either the biggest threat and most dangerous player in the game yet his closest ally and friend (Derrick) or the most useless, terrible player in the game who is considered to be the ultimate floater who got dragged to the end but whom Cody doesn't personally like (Victoria). Who does Cody ultimately end up choosing to take to the Final 2 with him? That's right. DERRICK. Cody actually took Derrick, the most dangerous player in the entire game, to the Final 2, somewhat feeling confident that he could beat him, instead of actually taking Victoria, the ultimate goat, someone whom he 100% knows he could have beaten. When it came time for the jury to ask the two of them questions, Cody was both shocked and surprised to hear how the jury really viewed him, which was basically as Derrick's loyal lapdog or puppy. It was at that point that Cody realized that he made a half a million dollar mistake and realized that he had no shot at beating Derrick. Cody ended up losing to Derrick in a near unanimous 7-2 jury vote. Cody, did anyone tell you that Big Brother isn't about loyalty when you get to the Final 3 and even more, the Final 2? You're in a game to win $500,000! What. an. idiot.

- Click if you need to see the transcript Bait the Dog: Frankie appeared as though he would be a likeable, upbeat and happy gay houseguest. Turns out that he is really extremely narcissistic, hateful, vile, attention seeking, and self absorbed. Shouldn't we have all remembered Andy from last season?


- Click if you need to see the transcript Jerkass: Mixed with Bait the Dog - it starts off as a nice and well-mannered house, but once Paul enters the fray, all hell breaks loose. It also rivals BB 15's rotten apple cast. Big Brother 15 gave us bigot city, Big Brother 19 gives us Spoiled Brat city mixed with Crazytown. All the thoroughly nice people except for Kevin (and arguably Mark) are gobbled up before the game reaches the halfway point. So many of them are gonna have to go into hiding post-season and freeze out their detractors on social media. If your name isn't Cameron, Megan (Public service announcement: please don't harass the PTSD sufferer, or you're scum), Jillian, Dominique, Ramses, or Kevin, you gunna get it!

- Good lord this is long...Click if you need to see the transcript The Bully: Many of the houseguests used intimidation tactics and bullying to further their games. But this had more to do with having a group or mob mentality more than anything else. Houseguests such as Paul, Alex, Christmas, Josh, Cody, Jessica, and Raven had no problem partaking in the bullying of other houseguests which caused a lot of animosity and tension to rise in the house. Paul was the centrepiece of pretty much all of the bullying in the house as he was the one who was encouraging and inciting it for the most part. His targets were primarily Cody and Jessica, but he would also use other houseguests such as Josh to also bully them as well. Cody and Jessica bullied people such as Christmas, Alex, Paul, and Josh at various points in the game. Cody verbally attacked and physically threatened Paul after he had nominated him in Week 5. Cody also bullied Josh in Week 6 that he was going to physically beat up Josh outside of the house and make his life a living Hell. Jessica also did her fair share of bullying when she humiliated Josh in front of everyone after not voting to keep Jillian by calling him a crybaby victim. Josh ended up crying hysterically afterwards and the other houseguests had to comfort him. Jessica also personally attacked Josh numerous times by fat shaming him (calling him fat ass, widdle-waddle, fat f-ck, etc) and insulting his intelligence by calling him a moron and the dumbest person she's ever met. This also resulted in Josh crying and the houseguests having to comfort and support him. Christmas also did her fair share of bullying but most of it was towards Cody and Josh. She attacked Cody by calling him a disgraceful marine and questioning has military service. And Christmas would also act as a Big Sister Bully to Josh whenever he ended up doing something that she didn't like or approve of. Alex bullied people like Jessica, Cody, Elena and Kevin unnecessarily. She constantly bashed them behind their back and antagonized them by starting fights and conflicts with them. Josh also frequently resorted to using intimidation and bullying towards other houseguests such as Cody, Mark, Elena, Kevin, Jessica. He has personally attacked all of them, insulted them and has resorted to banging pots and pans in their faces in order to torment them all while singing a circus tune. Raven also got into the mob mentality of bullying when she yelled and attacked Jessica by calling her endless derogatory names and consistently cursing at her and Cody during the house fight that took place in Week 5. At some point, everyone has come across as a bully and this is definitely a season where bullying took centre stage in the game. The last recent season to showcase bullying to this strength was Big Brother 15.
opendoes this entree fit the trope Live Action TV
hello, I'm new to your site and I don't know if these scenes would be classified as a balcony wooing scene https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BalconyWooingScene
or not under your site's rules. they are from the tv series How I Met Your Mother. I am arguing that not only are they balcony wooing scenes but that they are the best balcony wooing scene ever! I'm frankly kind of annoyed and amused they weren't already included as I feel they were a pivotal part of that series identity.
the first scene is from season one episode one "pilot" after the protagonist ted meets a girl named robin in his local bar he takes her out on a date at a restaurant the following day. after their date is interrupted by robin being called away for her job and ted feeling he may have messed the date up he discided to steal the blue french horn that robin commented on in the restaurant to use as a grand romantic gesture, he rings up to her apartment and she sticks her head out the window where upon ted offers it up to her as a grand romantic gesture.
here's the clip of the scene from youtube https://youtu.be/qUWoWAA8M3o you
can also search " How I Met Your Mother – Pilot clip6"
I would argue that this is a wooing scene as he brought the blue french horn as a grand romantic gesture. as mentioned in the description of balcony wooing scenes the Grand Romantic Gesture is a trope associated with balcony wooing scenes, they may have not shared any words like you would see in traditional balcony wooing scenes but the gesture was more than enough to convey teds message making talk meiningless IMO.
the second scene is from the season one finally (episode 22) "Come On" Ted shows up at his now ex-girlfriend Robin's apartment he calls out to her and she opens her window. they start a conversation and she then asks why he was there he replied "Because I made it rain!".
the reason why this is relevant is because he spent half a day performing a rain dance to make it rain so she would have to stay home and not go camping with a potential love rival after she rejected his first advance.
he goes up to her apartment and they embrace each other. after a cut scene ted narrates how that was how he and Robin got together.
here's the clip of the scene from youtube https://youtu.be/y8fTcd_ZeJk you
can also search "How I Met Your Mother - Ending of Season 1 Finale"here's an alternative version https://youtu.be/TIGU1GWy-pI you
can also search "Ted and Robin Getting back Together (How I Met Your Mother)"
I would argue that this was a balcony wooing scene because he called out to her and they had a conversation through the window ledge not to mention he offered the rain as a grand romantic gesture. all these are traits associated with balcony wooing scenes.
the third scene is from the final episode of How I Meet Your Mother series (season 9 episode 24) for context this takes place 25 years after the first two scenes. After being told by his kids and Ted realizing it for himself, that he is still in love with Robin. Ted decided to show up at Robin's apartment with the blue french horn that he gave to her after their first date leading to the mirroring of the events of the pilot episode.
here's the clip of the scene from youtube https://youtu.be/nW82fRNJc84 you
can also search "How I Met Your Mother - Ending Scene"
all I have to say is all these scenes individually would likely be dismissed as an insignificant homage to the balcony wooing scene because of their short time shown but combined it's irrefutable that they are significant enough to be included in the list of balcony wooing scenes.
I have gone ahead and posted them already in the style of the others around it. I had problems formating it so it's not properly displayed though. I would like to add the links to the videos showing the scenes but I don't know if that's allowed or really how to do it in the first place. I welcome you to edit/fix them if you wish but please don't delete them without explaining why here first. thank you.
openCOPS (series) Nightmare Fuel Listing Live Action TV
On the COPS series page, under nightmare fuel is a description of a 'banned' episode that sounds absolutely horror-movieish....and I was wondering if anyone has ANY information behind it because I can find NONE. Anything about what city its based in or what episode number...anything.
The description of the 'banned' episode is as follows : A 15-year-old girl calls the cops after her grandma went to investigate a noise outside their house and never came back, leaving her alone in a pitch-black house. Once the cops get there, she finally comes outside and leads them to the abandoned horse pen where she last saw her grandmother go. Everything is completely, disturbingly silent for the entire time and almost completely dark, until a blonde woman throws herself against the bars, and hysterically begs them to help her. However, the real horror comes as she looks to her right and screams at the top of her lungs as a woman wearing all black runs towards them, screaming and brandishing a knife. She is quickly gunned down by a shotgun-wielding cop, which instantly turns the girl into a screaming wreck. She then points out another knife-wielding woman charging at them, who's quickly shot by the same cop. He tells the cameraman and the girl to run as more gunshots ring out. The cameraman ends up driving off with the girl, but it's unknown what happened to her grandmother, those cops, or the woman that begged them for help.
Thank ya'll taking the time to read this.
openTroper changing a lot of stuff without discussions Live Action TV
Troper robin8821
seems to be on a editing spree for character pictures.
While that in itself is not something bad, he has changed a whole lot of stuff (see here
) without any discussion I could see.
He seems to replace a lot of pictures and even outright
delete
some of them, without any real apparent reason.
Edit: Keeps going
as we speak. I honestly think most of his pictures aren't an improvement, quite the contrary.
EDIT 2: He also left a whole lot of "Some caption text" captions.
Edited by ForenperseropenLarge scale editing without discussion and leaving behind quite some mess Live Action TV
So troper adonzo
has taken it upon himself to move large portions on MCU related pages.
While I am not necessarily opposed to what he did, I am opposed to how he did it, as he didn't discuss this with anybody and also left some mess behind
Biggest example: The folder for Mack is now double, both here
and here
, with no redirect.
I already PM'd him, but if he doesn't react, can his edits be reverted?
Edited by ForenperseropenHelstrom editing conflict. Live Action TV
Alright, so there's a bit of an editing conflict going on with the Series.Helstrom page involving myself and a troper by the handle of alliterator. As of right now, Marvel TV is basically on its way out while Marvel Studios prepares their own series, and Helstrom is one of the last shows that the former group made. It's basically DOA with the showrunner gone, and Marvel noticeably have used absolutely no branding on their project, the latter of which is something that I pointed out. (The reasoning for this seems to be that they want to not associate Helstrom with their future shows and movies, but I don't think that that needs to be in the article.) I also pointed out that the series lacked this labeling supposedly due to horror themes, despite three Marvel projects based around horror (Moon Knight, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, and Blade) being actively developed with the Marvel Studios banner intact.
However, alliterator disagreed with that last part of the edit and excised it, saying that it had to do with a TV-MA rating which we don't even know that the show has — not that TV-MA stopped any of the Netflix shows from getting the Marvel label. I initially reinstated the edit with an explanation. Here's how it read before the bold part was cut out:
"Curiously, the series has absolutely no Marvel branding associated with it in any advertising, whereas the same was not true for any prior Marvel TV productions — or film productions without any association with Marvel Studios, for that matter. According to Marvel, this was due to the show's "horror-based content". However, this decision is in contrast to how the Marvel branding is kept on Marvel Studios-produced projects with supernatural themes, such as the television series Moon Knight, or the films Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and Blade."
This edit was reverted for being "speculation"... Which doesn't make any sense to me, as Helstrom has objectively no Marvel branding while all three
projects that
I listed
have the Marvel Studios logo attached to them (and not just the generic Marvel logo). I figure that this discrepancy is noteworthy enough to be mentioned and I wanted to say my piece before I asked to have it reinstated.
openPossibly Biased Editing on the Glee YMMV Page. Live Action TV
lakingsif edited and removed a couple entries on the YMMV page for Glee, claiming that they were "defending homophobia" even though I honestly fail to see how (I'm bi and thus part of the LGBT community myself; there's no way that I would genuinely try to defend homophobia). They were also one of the main editors for the TV Tropes Glee recaps (which, if I'm not mistaken, have actually popped up here on Ask The Tropers a couple times), and it's clear from the tone of these recaps, as well as some of the edits previously mentioned, that they really hate the character Finn Hudson, usually choosing to interpret his actions in the worst possible way and also consistently downplaying the flaws of characters like Quinn and especially Santana. Their edits seem really shoehorned and complain-y, with things like referring to Finn as "acting like the hetero savior of the gays", and many entries were deleted without any real explanation. I know it's a YMMV page and it's for more subjective reactions and all, but I feel like this is a little excessive.
Here are the edits in question: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.Glee#edit26500052
open Weird Awesome entries Live Action TV
On Victorious there's this weird entries that seems to argue with over if an example counts self. Here they are:
- Tori and friends taking revenge on Manipulative Bastard Ryder in "Begging On Your Knees", along with his ex-girlfriends. Seeing such a Smug Snake of a villain given a well deserved Humiliation Conga, priceless!
- Tori does it again in "Prom Wrecker", By crowning Jade as the prom queen and Doug the Diaper Guy as prom king, as a "discreet" revenge for Jade almost ruining Tori's hard-worked Prom. And to top it all off, a song by Tori, Cat and Andre to close the deal!
- This one is a little less awesome when you consider that Tori ruined Jade's exhibition by taking over the space it would have occupied (which Jade had booked first), blatantly refused to cancel it, and never once apologized for screwing up the show that Jade had presumably been putting together for several weeks. Sure, Jade might have crossed a line with her retaliation, but Tori wasn't exactly in the right either.
- Some see that as an over-riding Humiliation Conga for Jade, especially for her slap-on-the-wrist punishment for nearly killing Tori and Robbie in Tori Gets Stuck, but overall that episode had an awkward feel as there seemed to be an easy compromise to the scheduling conflict that was ignored simply for Rule of Funny.
- A smaller one but when Beck puts Jade in a time out for being mean to Tori (which she actually does).
Is this allowed?
openQuestionable entry on Non-Gameplay Elimination Live Action TV
I was browsing Non-Gameplay Elimination when I came upon this entry:
- On Ego Trip: The White Rapper, contestants would go through a number of challenges to prove themselves as the best rapper of the bunch, however, many challenges really had nothing to do with their skills as a rapper, but were physical challenges built around humiliating them. The most talented rapper of the first season, Dasit, quit the very first episode (announcing his quitting via rap, actually, and doing so very stylishly) because he knew he was too good for the show. Which is actually true.
Am I the only one who thinks this entry seems highly critical of the show and biased towards Dasit?
Also, I looked up the show on The Other Wiki out of curiosity. While their accuracy is usually called into question, it seems to contradict the above information. (That's the only reason I don't think Dasit wrote the entry himself.) Unfortunately, I haven't seen the show, so I can't judge one way or the other.
openCan I add a trope? Live Action TV
To the B5 page, Ceremonies of Light and Dark. I noticed they had missed something for Continuity Nod, but tbh, after my year-long tempban, I'm a bit hesitant in even any minor infraction. Like, you know... not knowing proper edits. Not the wording, per se, but the text itself. What do I do? Maybe do I post here to ask you guys for help in the final product?
openWillow from Buffy the Vampire Slayer should be listed as Unintentionally Unsympathetic Live Action TV
I know she's already listed as a Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds but I think she should also be listed under UU.
For starters, she attempts to destroy the world and her friends just because some killed her girlfriend. To top it all off, she hocks herself up on dark magic despite knowing the implications. It's not for her to decide if the world needs to be destroyed or not yet the show paints her as a tragic figure despite her attacking her friends. To me, she comes off as petty and traitorous and the forgivenss and redemption she gets is completely undeserved
Edited by deathnoteFNBOI58openA character listed under seemingly contradictory tropes... Live Action TV
So, going on a wiki-walk, I noticed something rather strange. The tropes Apologises a Lot and The Unapologetic would certainly seem to be contradictory tropes. The strange thing I noticed? Dean Winchester from Supernatural is listed under both.
I kinda get it? It's a long runner with a lot of character development; some arcs/seasons/episodes he's unrepentant about any of his antics (mostly earlier in the series), sometimes he's very repentant and says so (mostly later in the series). With 'Apologises a Lot', the editor lists 'self-blame' as the reason he's there — which to my mind isn't quite the same thing as being apologetic. The editor for 'The Unapologetic' lists lines like 'I'd do it again' and 'I made the right call', which are true lines, but the kind that, honestly, I feel come from a lot of characters on the show at various points. Often enough, eventually apologizing for... completely disregarding other characters viewpoints by being unapologetic?
I felt like I needed some more viewpoints here to get an idea of what if anything to do, if anything, and what process to follow. Since Discussion pages don't seem to get a lot of use and it affects more than one trope, I thought I'd bring it here. I'm not sure Dean belongs on either page. I might be more inclined to remove him from 'Apologises a Lot', if I were judging it.
Edited by PointMaidopenIs it better to move this example to Harsher in hindsight? Live Action TV
On Kitchen Nightmares S6 E15 "Amy's Baking Company" there is this entry:
- Epileptic Trees: Some netizens took Samy's obsessive control over the till, his pocketing of servers' tips, and his admonishing Gordon that "You're not the gangster here, I'm the gangster!" as signs that the restaurant was actually a money-laundering front for The Mafia, which would just raise even more questions.
- According to law enforcement sources, Samy was involved in drugs and extortion while in Europe, so it's not far off the mark.
- Which is questionable itself. If you were running a covert criminal operation, would you want these loud, incompetent assholes anywhere near it? Additionally, if the restaurant were involved in any criminal activity, the last thing they should ever, ever do is involve Gordon Ramsay and be on a show that is seen on national television.
- According to law enforcement sources, Samy was involved in drugs and extortion while in Europe, so it's not far off the mark.
The indentation and the natter have to be corrected of course, but doesn't it make more sense to move it to Harsher in Hindsight? I was thinking of removing the final entry, which is mere natter, and merge the first two together.
Edited by gc10

is there a trope where a seer or psychic can see into the future accurately but can't properly interpret it?
ex: like that episode in that's so raven when she has to get a good grade on her school project to go to a concert with her crush. she has a vision of herself boppin' to some music, so she interprets it as proof she'll pass and get to go to the concert. she ends up failing and it turns out her vision is her dancing to music in her room while her crush stands outside playing the song on a radio.