Have a question about how the TVTropes wiki works? No one knows this community better than the people in it, so ask away! Ask the Tropers is the page you come to when you have a question burning in your brain and the support pages didn't help.
It's not for everything, though. For a list of all the resources for your questions, click here. You can also go to this Directory thread
for ongoing cleanup projects.
Ask the Tropers is for:
- General questions about the wiki, how it works, and how to do things.
- Reports of problems with wiki articles, or requests for help with wiki articles.
- Reports of misbehavior or abuse by other tropers.
Ask the Tropers is not for:
- Help identifying a trope. See TropeFinder.
- Help identifying a work. See MediaFinder.
- Asking if a trope example is valid. See the Trope Talk forum.
- Proposing new tropes. See TropeLaunchPad.
- Making bug reports. See QueryBugs.
- Asking for new wiki features. See QueryWishlist.
- Chatting with other tropers. See our forums.
- Reporting problems with advertisements. See this forum topic.
- Reporting issues on the forums. Send a Holler instead.
Ask the Tropers:
openJustEatGilligan/factual error issue.
From Just Eat Gilligan:
- The series How It Should Have Ended is pretty much dedicated to pointing these out. Examples are The Lord of the Rings (blindfold the eagles and fly them straight from Rivendell into Mordor), Predator (if the Predator doesn't attack unarmed people because it's not good sport, just ditch all the weapons) Star Wars (don't wait until the Death Star has gone all the way around the planet that the rebel base orbits, just blow up the planet - in the original video, or lightspeed around the planet to the appropriate side -in the updated version, and you'll have a clear shot at the base), and Avengers: Endgame (Take a Third Option by sacrificing Red Skull for the Soul Stone instead of having Natasha/Black Widow or Clint/Hawkeye be the sacrifice- though this ignores that the movie specified that the sacrifice had to be someone who you loved, which was why Thanos sacrificed Gamora instead of a random mook, and obviously Natasha and Clint don't remotely love the Red Skull).
The rest are valid but the last one has issues.
- If it's arguing the solution is factually incorrect despite portraying it as such in work is it not an example (most JEG examples are also unintentional)?
- If an intended/discussed example is valid is arguments against it Natter?
- Is there anything such errors can go under? (Cowboy BeBop at His Computer only applies to the work the error is about.)
open Image deletion Videogame
A little while back, wingedcatgirl deleted
the image for OneManArmy.Video Games. Permission to restore?
openQuestion about Narm
I noticed that on Narm's subpages (like Narm.Five Nights At Freddys), theres a Flame Bait banner. However, Narm itself has a YMMV banner, and isn't in the Flame Bait index. What's up with that?
openNarm trope Anime
Is it okay to put a description like "Many of this character's moments become Narm due to the way they're animated/portrayed", or does it have to be a specific moment you put as the trope?
Edited by Okami90open[Resolved] Narm Flamebait?
Narm's subpages have the Flame Bait header on them even though Narm itself does not and they aren't listed anywhere else, and I've been wondering how does that work.
Edited by AmonimusopenWeird wording on a work page (and YMMV page) Film
I found a weird sentence with weird wording on from Furie and its YMMV page. Here are some examples (spoiler warning):
- Fourth Wall Farewell: The film ends with Hai Phuong agreeing to teach her daughter martial arts. She closes out by telling the daughter some of the tenets that she had to internalize during her own training, and her head snaps to the camera when delivering the final line of the movie.
- Narm: The film ends with Hai Phuong promising to teach Mai martial arts. Hai Phuong begins telling Mai some of the lessons that she learned during her own training while they're resting in a hospital bed. So far, a fairly touching moment between mother and daughter. It only gets laughable when she snaps her head to the camera in order to deliver the final line of the film in a moment so out of place and jarring that it's hilarious.
What do they mean by snaps their head to the camera? I never heard that sentence. Does this make sense or not?
Edited by BubblepigopenNeed help on Clothing Damage.
On the Clothing Damage page, there is a part that looks like this:
In Star Trek: The Original Series Captain James Tiberius Kirk of the Starship Enterprise has his shirt ripped in fights in six episodes ("Where No Man Has Gone Before", "Miri" "Court Martial", "Shore Leave" "Amok Time" and "Gamesters of Triskellon") and ripped outside fights in "The Naked Time" (where Mc Coy]= thinks it's the best way to administer a hypospray) and "Miri" again (where he rips his own sleeves to show he has the disease). The rips in "Court Martial" and "Shore Leave" are exactly the same. This was parodied in the Futurama episode, where Shatner simply tears his own shirt right before a discussion, into the same pattern. Delirious's first mask was cut by Matt Sydal, who turned Delirious's own wooden stake against him. He's also had masks damaged by Jimmy Jacobs, Hang Men 3 and Bryan Danielson. Good thing Daizee Haze likes sewing. In OVW, Jillian Hall went mad and turned on Alexis Laree, beating her down and ripping off her shirt. While Laree was face down on the mat, she then ripped apart Alexis's bra and tried to lift her off the mat to expose her to the crowd, who, being full of Laree fans, heavily booed Hall for this (The referee got a towel to preserve Laree's dignity) Pretty much the point of the Tuxedo Match for men and Evening Gown/Bra & Panties match for women.
I am not sure how to fix it.
openCan This Really Be Considered Narm, Or Is It Misuse?
I was looking through the pages for the fan fic The Sun Will Come Up, and the Seasons Will Change and I noticed that in the YMMV page, a user put in this entry:
- Narm: Nora is revealed to be a neo-Nazi in her debut when she walks across the snow, and the cut of her shoes leave swastikas in her footprints. It's meant to be a shocking moment, but the image of a hate symbol being molded into the bottom of someone's shoes with the purpose of actually leaving footprints in that shape comes off as so sudden and over-the-top it rolls into hilarity.
I know this kind of stuff is subjective for each troper, but reading over it...I don't know, something about it feels really off to me. I might be biased here as I'm a huge fan of the fan fic in question, but reading the scene in its actual context, I couldn't find anything in the fic itself or its writing that made the scene in question come off as unintentionally hilarious or over-the-top like the troper who made the edit claims. Plus, as weird as this sounds, I found out through watching a documentary that there actually are such things as companies that make the exact kind of boots with little swastikas molded onto the soles, so it's not something that was just pulled out of their imagination. Something about the wording feels really off to me too, but I'm admittedly not an expert on these matters, so for all I know I'm probably reading too deep into it. What do you guys think? Is this a misuage of Narm, or is it actually following the trope page's rules?
Edited by TwilightPegasusopenInsight so as to avoid Edit War
On the YMMV page
for The Haunting of Hill House, I added the following Narm example a while back:
- Episode 3 begins with an unsettling scene of someone crawling into a young Theo's bed and snuggling up to her. She thinks it's Nellie, but when she turns, no one is there. The music goes eerie, and the camera creeps in to Theo...who then asks aloud, to no one, "Who's hand was I holding?" As though the audience needed to be told why the scene was scary.
alexrae250
later added a note to it:
- The line is in reference to an extremely famous scene and line from the original novel, in which Eleanor and Theo cling to each other in terror at the sound of a mysterious something approaching them, only for Theo to realize that Eleanor has been across the room from her the whole time and was not in fact holding her hand. This line was not added for the audience's sake, but because an adaptation of Hill House would be incomplete without it.
Which seems like a justifying edit, IMO? But I don't want to commit an edit war by deleting this bit outright, so I wanted some thoughts.
Edited by iamconstantineopenTrope for Taking the Edge out of a character or idea
Do we have a trope specifically for a writer who more or less takes an originally pretty offensive and/or controversial approach to a subject, but brings it back in a cleaner, less offensive format?
The example in question:
Kamen America.
The writers were a little infamous before making the above indie comic due to a series of "satire" books called the Wall Might series. Basically a My Hero Academia parody with Donald Trump and Right wing characters fighting left-wing straw-men. One of the villain groups in this series were blatantly racist/homophobic caricatures of Marvel Characters at the time, and was (according to them) supposed to be a satirical critique on forced diversity in mainstream comics. They had parodies of Miss Marvel, Ice Man, Captain Marvel (the character who would spin off to become Kamen America), and more that were just plain offensive and edgy.
Years later they took the Captain Marvel parody from this comic and spun her into her own series Kamen America, and showed a stark change in their writing style. While still over-bearingly conservative to narmy degrees, it lacked the offensive, edgy cringe that made people hate their guts and slowly became an golden child of the indie comics circles.
One of their recent arcs introduced the Zennregers (power rangers parodies) who are...basically the same as the above group being "a critique of "woke/forced diversity" in media" that, while eye-rolling, lacks the blatant racism and edgy "humor" of their older works.
I thought Lighter and Softer, but didn't fit, Same with Bowderlize, but I'm not sure. Don't want to get smacked with the edit lock stick if I pick the wrong one.
Any ideas?
openWhere can we discuss YMMV-tropes?
Such as "Catharsis Factor", "It Was His Sled", "Narm"?
Edited by Kuprinopen About the Bolivian Army Ending trope.
The laconic says it is about characters facing impossible odds at the end. First of all, it is rather vague and blurred. The result is that there are such examples like, for instance, a group of characters looking at a hurricane (cue the end of the movie, though actually I'd say it is not impossible odds, as the characters are not alone somewhere in the desert and can try to drive away). Isn't it weird to call a hurricane an "army"? Then, there are such examples when a dying character faces two or three enemies and it is implied that he actually defeats them. Anyway, three people - is that enough to call them an "army"? There are many examples like this (one of them is about facing a single humanoid monster at the end). I'd say this is not what comes to mind when you think about what is a Bolivian Army Ending, at least for me. What do you think, people?
Edited by Kisujj

Please unlock the YMMV for Mark Twain. I intend to crosswick an approved CM entry for a work which does not exist on the wiki.
- Complete Monster (King Leopold's Soliloquy): King Leopold presents himself as a vicious hypocrite and sanctimonious tyrant who subjects the Free State of the Congo to horrific depravity. Having countless people killed and entire regions depopulated, Leopold demands high taxes and production rates from his supposed subjects, cutting off limbs or even castrating others who cannot meet them. Having people tortured and murdered in huge numbers, Leopold notes one of his mistakes was to have sixty innocents crucified and remarks fewer people would care if he'd them skinned. Uncaring of anything but lining his pockets, Leopold shows his only sympathy is to himself, indifferent to the half-million corpses he has left in his rush for money.
Edited by SkyCat32