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openAbout ending tropes...
Can ending tropes (like Bittersweet Ending or Bolivian Army Ending or...) be used for Season Finales? I'm curious because someone in a page I watched said that they can't.
openYMMV links in work descriptions
According to What Goes Where on the Wiki:
- Links and potholes in the descriptions and related tropes sections are also fine for YMMV and objective trope articles, as long as you keep the overall tone neutral. Not so much for descriptions of works (bold mine).
So does that mean things like So Bad, It's Good and Narm should stay off work descriptions (excluding notorious examples like Plan 9)?
Edited by supergodopenNo Title
Ran across either someone with a very bizarre and long-standing autocorrect problem or a very juvenile vandal. Not sure how long they've been doing it, but the last few edits by the user walale12 have included the following edits to other example entries while making legitimate-seeming posts:
- multiple instances of the word "car" being replaced with the word "cat"
- multiple instances of "electric" being replaced with "atomic"
- multiple instances of "force" being replaced with the word "horse"
- "space" becoming "spaaaace"
- "batman" becoming "a man dressed as a bat"
- "witness" becoming "this dude i know"
- "senator" becoming "elf-lord" (I admit this one made me chuckle in a "score one for the childish moron" sort of way)
Fixed their work on Textbook Humor already, but there's more on Metal Gear and Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain. There also seem to be at least a few stretches of legitimate posts, but probably wouldn't be a bad idea if someone with Super OCD were to plow through their edits and check for more shenanigans.
openNo Title Live Action TV
Have a problem in YMMV.The Walking Dead TV Show. There's a troper by the handle of NJE91 who's deleting entries without explanation or apparent reason. Jumped the Shark was nuked on the 14th, and then restored by another troper, and now he's deleting entries under Narm.
openNo Title
Uh...."cloud-to-butt" alert over at Super Smash Bros., leading to unintentional hilarity. "Butt Strife," anyone?
EDIT: Never mind, I fixed it, but still.
Edited by katethegr8openNo Title
Apologies if too early to go here but I just moved to discussion (and deleted) agenda-dirven edits by Gunarm Dyne
on A Christmas Carol.
I don't mean to engage in an edit war, but it's basically the usual Objectivist "Scrooge as hero; Cratchett as villain" that seems to turn up periodically here and elsewhere in discussions of the book.
Edited by Hodor2openNo Title Live Action TV
Not entirely sure what to do here
.
Someone deleted a Narm entry because they disagreed with it. I restored it and said not to, and they then stripped out almost all of the context from the example. I don't think it's edit warring because his edits were very different, but I'm not sure what to do here. Especially since the example is from a very controversial episode. I understand Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment but that doesn't seem the best way to go about it.
openNo Title
Fast Furious Fan deleted the following from the Narm subpage for Star Wars...
- "Begun, this clone war has."
...with the given editing reason being largely that they like the line in question. Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of YMMV tropes like this?
openNo Title
I know that Narm is YMMV and as such should only be outright removed in cases of factual inaccuracy, but there's kind of a gray area I've come across. On The Legend of Zelda, one of the things listed is the fact that Link has a goofy expression whenever he finds a Rupoor (which causes you to lose money). I agree that it's amusing, but the thing is that I don't think it really qualifies as Narm because it's not really supposed to be serious in the first place. The only place in the game you can even find Rupoors in the first place is during a minigame, so there's no real drama for the "narm" to ruin. And given that the series has a history of making jokes about his Item Get! poses, it seems really likely that it's a deliberate joke.
Edited by JapaneseTeethopenNo Title
The YMMV pages for individual Game of Thrones episodes have been rife with Complaining About Shows You Dont Like in the form of rampant misuse of tropes like Broken Base and Narm. Should I bring this up in the forums? It seems to be a big problem.
openNo Title
Is it acceptable to list Bechdel Test as a trope on pages to mention whether they pass or fail it? I ask because Gunarm Dyne added it to Film.Morozko.
openNo Title Literature
Is it just me, or would nearly all examples on Funny.Fifty Shades Of Grey be better on Narm.Fifty Shades Of Grey? The following bit of Natter on the page (which I removed) seems to have a point:
- Let's just say the whole book.
- Let's just say the entire series.
- Most of them are mostly Narm rather than intentional (especially the inner goddess parts).
openNo Title
So...
Narm.Chick Tracts and WMG.Chick Tracts are redirects to Narm.Jack Chick and WMG.Jack Chick, respectively.
This is backwards from all other pages for this work, which use the Chick Tracts name instead of Jack Chick. Notably, Creator.Jack Chick is also a redirect to ComicBook.Chick Tracts.
Should these redirects be reversed to fit with the rest of the pages for this work?
Edited by wrm5openNo Title Videogame
Question about Nightmare Retardant: Does it have to be something goofy, or can it be something a bit more meta?
Specifically, in a certain game, there are jump scares every few steps. However, the game emphasizes drawing your map on the second screen, which results in the jump scares A: being predictable and B: being less visible, since many players are navigating by looking at the other screen.
Would that count? It's definitely unconventional, not being a Special Effect Failure or Narm, but it definitely decreased the tension in the situation.
openNo Title
I understand that YMMV tropes aren't allowed to be listed as tropes on main pages, unless invoked, does that mean that they can't be linked to on main pages at all? I read the
Let's say I write an examples like these:
- Laughing Mad: Mr. Internet Critic has this reaction after seeing a narmtastic scene in Film X.
- Angrish: Jake the Game Reviewer went through one of these while playing to Game X's Disappointing Last Level.
Would those be allowed, even if "Film X" and "Game X" actually existed?
I read the "What Goes Where on the Wiki", which says that they shouldn't be potholed on the main pages, but I'm not clear if that applies only when it's potholed as a trope title or when its potholed anywhere in the examples section. Mainly asking because I see plenty of links to YMMV pages on main pages shoehorned into examples, especially ones dealing with Caustic Critics.
Edited by supergodopenNo Title
There's a dispute between me and Eagal on the YMMV page for Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Basically, he cut out the Narm entries because he claims Narm is a Darth Wiki trope, while I restored them because only the examples are on the Darth Wiki while the trope itself isn't. Despite this he claims Narm still isn't to be put on YMMV pages, which I find nothing saying so on the Narm page itself. I want to hear the answer.
Edited by Tuckerscreatoropen No Title
I may have missed this, but is Narm now considered Flame Bait? Should all the subpages & wicks of it be deleted? Does the same apply to Narm Charm?

This entry was removed from the YMMV page for Fire Emblem Fates, and I'm confused as to the reasoning.
It was removed for the following reason: "Not intentionally being Played For Drama."
Can somebody explain what this means if this is valid? It's a dramatic scene being undermined shortly afterwards by an oversight in game mechanics. Does that not qualify? If not, do we have a trope for that?