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openEdit War on Characters.WhatWeDoInTheShadows2019 Live Action TV
The user Tropers.aralagam keeps re-adding a Straw Feminist entry written in a way that makes it blatantly obvious they are editing with an agenda, namely to complain at length about a female character doing things they don't like. They have received what I would claim is fair warning via edit reason from another user that this editing style is inappropriate, but their only response has been insisting that they are in the right and daring people who have a problem with it to take it up with the admins.
I, however, think it should be taken up in a more open forum, hence this post.
EDIT: Courtesy Link: Characters.What We Do In The Shadows 2019, thank you, sgamer82
Edited by TheAmazingBlachmanopenPossible Biased Edting Live Action TV
Recently, The Remedy 91 has been making edits to Everything's Gonna Be Okay and its YMMV page, and I've noticed that all their edits seem to be going out of their way to paint the series in a negative light. For instance, they describe the main characters as being a Big, Screwed-Up Family, but the family is neither particularly big nor especially screwed up (the trope page defines a BSUF as having alcoholism/drug abuse, incest, evil patriarchs/matriarchs, etc., none of which are present in the Moss Family.) Their addition to the YMMV page calls Matilda a Base-Breaking Character, even as they admit that most of the fanbase likes her, but that "some" don't, and they claim the show has engendered Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy because "some" viewers find it uncomfortable to watch. Am I completely off-base, or does this all seem like Complaining About Shows You Dont Like?
open Edit warring over including Deadpool on the MCU franchise page. Film
Alright, I'm not sure if this is the place to post this, but here it goes... There's been some controversy on the Marvel Cinematic Universe franchise page regarding the addition of one untitled Deadpool film, which has been confirmed to be in early development by trades and anyone worth a damn. The problem is that Deadpool co-creator Rob Liefeld has recently stated something to the contrary, and that's spawned a ton of clickbait headlines and the spread of misinformation.
Here's the thing - the only person who says that nothing is happening with a character that brought in $1.5B in global ticket sales is Rob Liefeld, who is not part of the Marvel Studios picture at all. He is not being included in conversations about the next movie in spite of being a consultant on the Fox movies, and he recently shared some fan art of Deadpool killing Mickey Mouse on his social media page, so he is clearly not an impartial source of information here.
Another big problem with his statement is that allegedly, production grids for the next film in the series are out there, seen by a select few (including some industry insiders). Disney CEO Bob Iger also has an image of Deadpool on his Twitter banner, and previously noted that he's open to the idea of there being an R-rated Marvel Studios label for a third Deadpool movie and potentially other films. Marvel are currently in the process of making an omnibus of Deadpool stories from Joe Kelly, who gave the character the personality that fans of the character love. But most importantly, not only have Deadpool 1 and Deadpool 2 writers Rhett Reese and Paul Wernick officially met with Marvel Studios about the future of the franchise, but Ryan Reynolds, who is the only "FoX-Men" actor likely to make the jump into the MCU, has as well.
This was the original entry on the page before it got reverted:
- Untitled Deadpool film (TBA) note Confirmed by Ryan Reynolds to be in development. Reynolds will be returning as Deadpool, with writers Rhett Reese and Paul Wernick returning. Emma Watts and Simon Kinberg, who were involved with the previous films, will not be returning. The film will be the first R-rated entry in the MCU, and is expected to be distributed by 20th Century Studios instead of by Disney. Whether or not the film is a complete reboot or a Broad Strokes continuation of the franchise as it was prior to Disney's acquisition of Fox remains to be seen.
I tried relaying some of this information into the commented-out notes of article itself, but a Troper has recently accused me of being "biased" and is threatening to report me for vandalism... In spite of my simple relaying of crucial information like what I've shared above that debunks the speculation that Disney wants nothing to do with Deadpool. I am requesting that the Deadpool entry be reinstated into the article.
Edited by KingClark
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
openExcessive trimming of examples?
Lion King Alex has been making some pretty big edits to Characters.Jojos Bizarre Adventure Stardust Crusaders in an attempt at "Trimming the word count down" (as they say in their edit reasons). Some of these involve removing Word Cruft, which is good... but they're mostly trimming down examples that look perfectly fine to me, in ways that makes them less informative overall. This includes removing Pot Holes to relevant pages (like removing a link to Abusive Parents from the words "abusive father").
I sent them a PM asking about this, but they haven't responded, and have actually made another edit like that after having received my message. I'm starting to think a revert might be a good idea.
Edited by ZuxtronopenBi the Way
There was a unanimous agreement on the Trope Repair Shop thread before it closed that there should be a bulletin made to inform people that Bi The Way has been depreciated as a trope and is now a disambig.
I'm not quite sure how the bulletins work, but I would like to request one be made.
openUser changing many images without discussion
Matuta 930 has been changing a lot images without discussion. As far as I know, they've changed the images on the following pages:
- Multiple Head Case (which was later reverted)
- Lovable Lizard
- Barefoot Sage (also later reverted)
- BodyHorror.Western Animation
- Was Once a Man
- Crazy Homeless People (once again, later reverted)
- Cats Are Mean
- For Halloween, I Am Going as Myself
- BodyHorror.Film
- TearJerker.Beastars
- Heartwarming.El Chavo Del Ocho
- Morphic Resonance (yet again, later reverted)
- NightmareFuel.Alien
- Various images on many character pages (although some of them do actually seem like improvements)
They've also added images without discussion on Funny.Akira, Polly Wants a Microphone and Amplified Animal Aptitude (while the first is fine, the latter two are JAFAAC).
Edited by jandn2014openEditor with major grammar problems
(Here we go again.) Aceina
doesn't edit very often, but what few edits they make include almost no capital letters or sentence-ending punctuation. I've sent them a grammar notifier, but the problems here look severe enough that further action might be needed.
openIs Barry Allen a Designated Hero? Print Comic
Barry Allen has earned himself quite the lengthy entry at the comic book section of Designated Hero. It reads:
"The Flash: Barry Allen, the Silver Age incarnation of the character, has largely became this upon being brought back and pushed as the main Flash.
- Upon returning, he created the Flashpoint incident while trying to undo the meddling of his arch-enemy, Eobard Thawne/Reverse-Flash, who had altered Barry's past to give him an angstier backstory involving his mother getting murdered. However, rather than work with other heroes who are experts on this kind of thing, like Booster Gold or even his own former protege and Superior Successor Wally West (who unlike Barry, could run through time-and-space unaided and understood their powers on a much greater level), he did this by himself, resulting in a distorted Darker and Edgier timeline. While his motivations were sympathetic, the sheer idiocy of his blunder and how easily it could have been avoided, especially as he was warned prior during the Prelude to Flashpoint about what was going to happen and did it anyway.
- When he realised what he did and undid it, the result still didn't fix his mistake, resulting in a new timeline that was still Darker and Edgier, only everyone was also Younger and Hipper on top; while Barry's life in this new timeline wasn't bad, his friends were made miserable with both marriages and people erased, including Wally West, Wally's kids, and also Jay Garrick, Jesse Chambers, and the rest of the Flash Family. Though all of this was because Executive Meddling was in play (co-publisher Dan DiDio wanted the rest of the Flash family erased due to his personal dislike of Wally West and his belief that the franchise should be simpler, as well as his preference for Darker and Edgier stories and belief that True Art Is Angsty), it essentially meant that in-universe, Barry was personally responsible for erasing his nephew and family from existence, essentially killing them, while making everyone else he knew miserable and lonely. Meanwhile, Barry in this new timeline? He was a young, happy single with a cute Adorkable girlfriend, largely beloved by his city, with nobody knowing or remembering what he did.
- The Rebirth era didn't help with this matter, even after Wally West returns. During a team-up with Batman, he discovered Wally wasn't the only forgotten speedster when he meets Jay Garrick in the Speed Force. Rather than working tirelessly to save Jay, as you would expect a hero like Barry to do, he seemingly forgets about it to instead focus on other stuff. Then, Wally has his memory of his kids restored to him, and he calls Barry out on not even informing him about other trapped speedsters; he claims he was working with Batman to investigate it off-panel, but they were clearly not sparing much time looking into this, which could have been resolved by informing Wally, who not only wasn't busy with anything thanks to having his life erased, and also understands the Speed Force to a much greater extent than Barry and would be better suited into looking into it. Then, after the two are manipulated by Hunter Zolomon, Wally has a breakdown over the memory of his kids, so Barry sends him to a mental health facility where he never visits him, trusting instead that the facility can help him. It doesn't. Meanwhile, after sending Wally away, Barry could take this as an indication he should put more focus into finding the lost speedsters, but instead, he starts a different investigation into the "Other Forces", something he could have left up to his new ally, Commander Cold while he continued searching for Jay, Jesse, and Max. While his lack of focus on this could be chalked up to not remembering the other speedsters, it still looks callous of him to know people are suffering and to do nothing, even when told these people are his family."
Okay, I gotta ask: is this valid? I know that some people still have grievances towards Barry even after the end of Comic Book/Flashpoint and I do admit that I don't have the best knowledge on Barry's history, but this entry is so long and descriptive that it comes off as opinionated writing. What do we do with this?
Edited by MasterHeroopenBehind-the-scenes drama
A lot of "behind the scenes minutia" was removed from Sequelitis - Films Live-Action¡. igordebraga said they had no relevance to a film's quality. I am not versed enough in site policy to judge, and I'm all for collaboration. But I'm not 100% sure that they know what they're doing. (They restored the Alex Cross entry which was removed on the grounds that it's a reboot and not a sequel.) What should I do?
Edited by burgerantsopenQuestionable FFVIIR Citation Videogame
Looking at Final Fantasy VII Remake I see that under Tainted by the Preview there's a link to a translation of an interview with Yoshinori Kitase about the series' direction. However it's from Bounding Into Comics, a source with a reputation for far-right conspiracy mongering as well as deliberate manipulative editing of citations. Does anyone have a better and more trustworthy/neutral source of translation for the interview saying the same thing regarding the story remaining the same that we can replace it with?
openThe Last of Us Part II questions
The Last of Us Part II has attracted a lot of controversy as mentioned here
. I have questions about the character Abby who is at the center of this controversy.
- Karma Houdini: She ultimately gets away with brutally murdering Joel, as Ellie opts to spare her to end the Cycle of Revenge. Of course, she still loses a lot of her friends at Ellie's hands as a consequence of what she did.
- Villain Protagonist: Arguably given the Black-and-Gray Morality of the setting, but you basically play as Joel's murderer for significant parts of the story. Of course, part of that story involves her having a Heel Realization of sorts that eventually leads her to give up her pursuit of Ellie.
- Designated Hero: Abby, her role in the game was done to humanise her as an antagonist; showing that she had a sympathetic reason to kill Joel and prove that his death changed nothing for her. However, players already saw her as beyond redemption for killing Joel since he was a beloved character from the first game. Ellie sparing her after killing so many people wasn't seen as the message it was intended to be, it was instead seen as Abby getting away with her crimes while Ellie loses everything in the process.
- Fourth Wall Myopia: Arguably part of why Abby is seen as unsympathetic by many players. We've played as Joel in the first game and are thus aware of the complexities of his character, and the understandable (albeit selfish) reasons why he killed the Fireflies to save Ellie. From Abby's perspective, however, he'd just be an unrepentant murderer as she only knows that he killed someone she cared about in cold blood. Many see Abby killing Joel as her crossing the Moral Event Horizon, but the reality is that she wouldn't be aware of Joel as a person unlike the player.
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: One of the biggest criticisms the game faces is that, despite its numerous efforts to the contrary, Abby is stunningly unlikable and unsympathetic. While just about everybody understands why she would want to kill Joel, the fact that she actually goes through with it, the insanely vicious and sadistic manner she does it in, and her overall mean and ruthless personality destroys a lot of the sympathy the player may feel for her. It also really doesn't help that she basically gets away scot-free at the end, while her friends all suffer Ellie's wrath and Ellie herself ends the game with her life in ruins.
Karma Houdini seems to argue with itself saying they lost friends as karma. Villain Protagonist says it’s arguable and notes she makes an effort to repent. Designated Hero seems to clash with how Ellie and the game treats her as a villain and is redundant with Unintentionally Unsympathetic. Fourth Wall Myopia and Unintentionally Unsympathetic seem to disagree and I question UU since that’s why she’s the villain who gets better of because the repent for those traits (not denying she’s UU but was written it comes of as combining about intentionally dark stuff). Thoughts on these entries? I asked complaining cleanup but haven’t heard back.
I also have a question about Misaimed Fandom, does it count if fans wanted to kill Abby despite the point of the work was to show otherwise (the downer ending was the result of trying to do so)? Does it apply when there are legitimate reason for it (eg. Broken Aesop, Designated Villain, Strawman Has a Point), or only when it goes past what those reasons would justify?
openSome cheese to go with your vintage whine Videogame
Burgerants (sound familiar?)
added a VERY complainy edit
to YMMV.Sonic The Hedgehog. The linked ATT thread as well the Removing Complaining
forum thread have shown that problems with sequel complaining aren't just a one-time thing in these streets.
openTropers/1234SynchroRainbow
Tropers/{{1234SynchroRainbow}} (edit history here
) has weird edit history. Many of them are just add word DERP at the top of article, or a number 0 or 1 to the first word of page description.
As far as I noticed, they always remove them afterward. But sometime they did it repeatly and it clog up the history page.
Edited by KuruniopenUser changing many images without discussion
laar2002 has been changing the images on many pages. So far from what I've seen, he's changed the images on Cruella to Animals, Pirate, Killer Robot, NightmareFuel.The Lord Of The Rings The Fellowship Of The Ring (although I'll admit this one is an improvement), TearJerker.Western Animation, and possibly more (I just don't have the time to look through all their edits right now).
Edited by jandn2014openPossible ban evader
So, Leikster18
has been making a lot of grammar/spelling mistakes, weird formatting and had the same editing style that Leiky
(who was previously banned and also had a sockpuppet banned as well) used and they edit the same pages namely Characters.What A Cartoon Show.
There were two
previous
queries on them.
Now I could possibly be mistaken about the sockpuppeting but having a similar handle to a banned user as well as having the same editing patterns and habits is probably too much of a coincidence.
Edited by MacronNotesopenTrope keeps adding examples of BiTheWay
As some of you may be aware, Bi The Way was recently turned from a trope to a disambiguation page, which means that it can no longer have examples. Troper vahngorfek added an example of Bi The Way to Star Wars – Rebel Alliance & New Republic Starfighter Corps. After I removed it and messaged them to inform them of the change in Bi The Way's status, he re-added the trope. I removed it again (technically edit warring I know, but I thought I could settle this without involving anyone else) and sent them another PM. He proceeded to re-add the entry again. Because he seems unwilling to read either my messages or my edit reasons, I think a mod needs to step in, just to explain the new policy to them.
Edited by TheMountainKingopenPossible ban evader
Troper Blue Torii added an entry in One Piece: Animal Kingdom Pirates of Early-Installment Weirdness which was previously agreed on Is this an example, to not be an example, and over which Countmall fought to add until he/she was suspended, in the early days of May
Troper Blue Torii's oldest edits date after Countmall's suspension, so they might be the same person, I'm not sure of course
openBad Editing Habits
This is a bit quicker than my other reports, because usually I wait until I've sent at least three notifiers someone's way before going to ATT.
kaneki1999, however...
Let's just dive in, shall we?
- On this page, we can see grammar issues
and a potholed trope name
.
- ZCE issues as well
, if anyone is surprised by that anymore. Here
and here
too, and that's just a small sample.
- The edit of theirs that first made me notice their work was this
unapproved CM ZCE, which leads me to think they might've made more of them.
- Oh, and if you're still concerned about their grammar, don't worry. Issues still abound, be it run on sentences
or Puncutation where there shouldn't be
.
IDK. They just seem to make enough mistakes consistently enough that I'm not convinced sending a few notifiers will really fix things. I'm not even really sure where to start; a ton of their edits have some noticeable issue.
Edited by WarJay77openTroper adding natter even after notifier
I sent Radiated Ronin a notifier back in February for Natter, but they are still at it.
Latest violation: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.TheBirds#edit26028845

I am kinda distressed that The New '20s page is littered with ROCEJ and Real Life examples. And as if The New '10s has been cleaned and maintained for that. I know that the decade is new and the current issues is littered with the coronavirus pandemic, but are these topics really needed, and which details do we need regarding the pandemic? Which topics about the pandemic should be kept should it ever subside?
This query is not meant to undermine the pandemic, but to make it informative and neutral without the fearmongering and powder keg igniting.
Edited by alnair20aug93