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openTroper with natter and complaining issues
This troper
seems to have a problem with natter and complaining. Their edits have a tendency to double (or even triple) the length of trope entries with information that is either tangentially related or even irrelevant, with quite a few cases of complaining. The example that really caught my eye was this one
, due to it's length, and the sheer volume of unnecessary information. Here are a few more examples:
open Potential ban evader?
So, not too long ago, JadethePegasus
edited the Monsters Inc page to remove contractions and change the Big Bad entry according to the history
and it seemed familiar.
I looked through their edits, as well as the banned editor AnthonyA
's edit history and judging by their editing patterns, we might have a potential ban-evader, but can someone look into this? Thanks.
openQuestionable gender edits.
Ninten Fire Swag 20 has been doing edits regarding the gender of nonbinary actors that I feel are kinda going into transphobic and/or enbyphobic territory, such as labeling Corrina Boettger and Skyler Davenport as "actor/actress" on the Creators on the Autism Spectrum page when both solely go by they/them pronouns as far as I can tell, and doing similar edits elsewhere, the former I reverted.
(And also being clunky to read besides)
open TinyLittleLetters Western Animation
Tiny Little Letters makes a lot of edits on Tangled: The Series pages. I deleted shoehorns here
, here
, here
, here
, and here
— darn, I cut a lot; have I grown trigger-happy? I wrote an edit reason for each deletion though. But what I want to talk about is that I suspect this troper does Draco in Leather Pants.
- Here
, meet Rapunzel the Death Eater who makes the poor Varian suffer.
- Laser-Guided Karma: Done en masse. Toward the end of Season 1, the people of Corona turned their backs on Varian and denied him when he begged them for help. Now, he's allied himself with the Saporians and has taken over the kingdom, with Corona's citizens being forced to mine crystals for Varian's chemicals so the Saporians can use them to their advantage.
A few days ago, the same troper added this on YMMV.Tangled The Series:
- Catharsis Factor:
- After seeing them display disturbing Lack of Empathy towards his problems in the second half of Season 1, with King Frederic hunting down Varian for the Demanitus Scroll and chasing him out of his own home, and Rapunzel never checking on Varian after Zhan Tiri's blizzard was over (thus abandoning him for months on end), as well as expressing little-to-no concern for his well-being even when seeing Quirin encased in amber, Varian gloating in their faces over abducting Queen Arianna is quite satisfying, especially when he taunts Frederic to his face and puts Rapunzel through physical pain while using her hair as a drill. This also goes true for Varian, in his giant automaton, grabbing Arianna away from them, after they'd shared a warm and long hug right in front of him as he breaks down over failing to free his father.
So, what to do about this? Maybe I should talk to this troper but I don't know how. "Even if you're grief-stricken, it's not nice to enslave and kill innocent people?"
openHow do you actually report someone here for their edits?
Multiple times now we've had someone try to edit Oscar Wildes page to refer to him being gay as a "disease" that he needed to be "redeemed" from. Despite searching for a while now I'm yet to see any way to actually report this to a mod. The whole language is highly homophobic.
open Your Cheating Heart is being converted into an index.
Per this TRS thread
, Your Cheating Heart has been converted to Infidelity Index. We need help to remove its 7400+ wicks
and replace them with another adultery trope if applicable.
This is just an announcement. Do not reply to this ATT query. If you have questions or concerns, please bring them up in the thread.
openRude edit reason?
Claris Works edited a Transgender entry on this
page with the reason "no preaching, thanks." It looks like the "preaching" is using terms such as "assigned female at birth" (edited now to say "born female"), "reassignment surgery" (now "sex change surgery"), and "identifies as male" (now simply "male.")
This seems unnecessarily rude to me, especially since it just comes down to phrasing.
Edited by iamconstantineopenPossible issue with YMMV item at Roots (2016) Live Action TV
Okay, so usually I'm good leaving YMMV entries alone even if I disagree, but this seemed...a touch disturbing. The entry:
- Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Despite roughly half of the miniseries focusing on Kunta Kinte and his future generations portraying him almost as a messianic figure, a steadfast Mandinka warrior who never gave in, more often than not he comes across as little more than a spoiled Jerkass, even before his enslavement (picking fights in a dance circle, for example). His own father even calls him out for being irresponsible by saying he "won't be around forever to fix {Kunta Kinte's} mistakes". After his enslavement, his "sense of identity" isn't helped by his constant reference to Mandinka warriors; he was nearly kicked out of warrior training for insubordination and reckless endangerment, becoming one solely on an emergency-induced technicality. Even then, the last his parents saw of him was taking a horse his father gifted him and attempting to leave for Timbuktu without warning (and story-wise, without cause). What really makes him unsympathetic, even despite the new dark, bigoted, racist, and unforgiving setting of Virginia, is that not only does he never come to understand just how his rebellious actions hurt those who simply wanted to get by and survive (he could have at least ASKED Fiddler if he wanted to help in his second escape attempt, since aiding in a slave's escape was punishable by lynching, even if the offender was white), but he convinces otherwise passive and generally well-off slaves to become rebels, including his own daughter. The show tries to portray this as them rediscovering their roots and who they really are, but ultimately falls flat since not only does it end up getting them into trouble they otherwise would not get into, but neither case do they ever actually FIND their identity. Hell When Fiddler/Henry is killed in his Moment of Awesome, Kunta Kinte STILL calls him "Fiddler", despite already knowing his name is Henry. Well done, Toby.
Okay, I'm not sure I need to point out how...problematic this is, but it's essentially victim-blaming a slave in the American south for...fighting back? For trying to start a slave rebellion? And nevermind the really, really problematic language of "passive and well off slaves"
I kind of think this one needs to be stricken.
open Second opinion on this edit to UsefulNotes.Transgender
So Pastychomper made an edit to UsefulNotes.Transgender that changes the page to make the biologically essentialist claim that members of "the male sex" are more inclined towards crime. This isn't great on its own.
While the wording "but no correlation is seen between transgender status and violence" might seem positive on the surface, it looks alarmingly similar to the common transphobic assertion 1) "Males" are inherently criminal and 2) Trans women are "males". Often by deliberately misinterpreting the results of a particular study to claim this is the case (which the researchers outright went on TV to debunk). To the point it feels like it's trying to imply it without actually saying it.
Permission to change it back?
openEditing with an agenda?
~marvig's most recent edit was to remove an entry on Feminist Fantasy on Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night, with no edit reason.
Looking at their history (courtesy link
), they've made a dozen or so edits since July.
Of them, their edits to something called Hadestown and its subpages have all been laser focused removals of mentions it has anti-capitalist themes.
Softened an entry on Fanon Discontinuity on YMMV.Digimon Tamers (notably removing a pothole to Death of the Author) referring to the author's right wing views appearing explicitly in a recent audio drama.
Edits to WebVideo.Civvie11 removing mentions of take thats towards "Anti-SJWs" (and inserting a ZCE saying there were jabs at Randy Pitchford for some reason).
The only two edits that aren't clearly suspect (but still odd) is an (again, with no edit reason) removal of the entire More Popular Spin-Off entry for YMMV.Um Jammer Lammy and an edit on YMMV.Black Widow 2021 removing mention of the COVID pandemic and some of the film's themes on a Critical Dissonance entry.
openTroper deleting YMMV for no apparent reason
meatwadf has been removing content from several YMMV articles without leaving any edit reasons. I'm not sure about which ones warrant a reversion, but you can check their edit history here
.
Edit: Forgot to mention I've sent them a notifier. And JRads47 had already warned him before
as well.
openPossible homophobic agenda?
I was looking through the edit history of YMMV.Bigtop Burger and I noticed Hfuyfdahg deleted this without an edit reason:
- Dry Docked Ship: Plenty of fans like to paint Steve and Cesare's rivalry as them being estranged exes.
I looked through their edit history to see if this was a one-time thing or if it was an agenda, and I noticed they only have 6 edits from the 27 of March 2019 to the 13th of November 2021. One of those edits was a removal of this on Awesome.Stone Cold Steve Austin, also without an edit reason:
Granted, the link doesn't direct me to a specific article, but the lack of edit reason as well as the other edit make this seem suspicious.
open Chico The Parakeet
DISCLAIMER: I do not have a vendetta/grudge against this user. I am simply concerned for him and the Hollers weren't enough for him to change his behavior even by a little bit, so I decided to make this ATT Report.
First off, they were the user I was talking about in this query
as I merely wanted to Holler him for his concerning behavior, mainly about his wonk about a South Park scene and showing it to other people even if it's determental.
He then brought it up again a couple of days later here
. Another user impiled that his obession might not be healthy. Prior to that post, I already sent him two Hollers. Assuming the mods read them and sent him a message about it in his PMs, he hasn't listened.
In general, as someone else puts its, he seems too erratic and cynical for his own good. For example, he has some sort of wonk towards Online Reviewers, particuraly those of the Caustic Critic kind, and holds their opinion as gospel even if he disagrees with them at the cost of his well being. I also recall that he stated he wanted to hurt himself over the opinions of these critics and asked why people wanted him to stop worrying about their opinions after that.
Here are
some of
his posts that show that.
Next, one about his paranoia over a work that seems to be excessive
and one that mentions a past trauma that he seems troubled by
(TW for animal cruelty/death for that one). They also seem quite self-conscious about their writting and fear that he'll get hated over it, as seen in the first of these Writer's Block posts.
Overall, a quite worrying troper and I made this ATT report to get other users' and mods' attention since the Hollers apparently weren't enough for him.
Edited by Cutegirl920fireopenBoomerang123 still causing problems
Back in April
, Boomerang 123 was reported for shoehorning and complaining, and suspended. In August
(months after being unsuspended), they edit warred over an example, complaining in the process, and tried to justify themselves by saying that "they were right" (even after being sent a notifier).
Fast forward two months, and there's still problematic edits from them. Among other things, there's:
- Complaining about shows they don't like
- A questionable edit where one of the traits they listed for a Jerkass entry was "ugly"
(which I fail to see how being "ugly" is a Jerkass trait).
- Multiple dubious and seemingly shoehorned Hindsight entries.
- One particular
Values Resonance entry which had to be removed on account of being a potential ROCEJ violation.
Edit history here
.
openPolitical editing removing the word "white" everywhere
Peterpol 94, who's been suspended for political editing previously, has edited politically again. From a section describing Noam Chomsky's view of the world, he removed the word "white" from the sentence "Also, the owners of almost all media groups are rich, white men". Regardless of whether you agree with whether the sentence is true, this is a description of Noam Chomsky's worldview, and part of that view is that the owners are white. Removing that part seems politically motivated.
Equally motivated seems the case when the words "to wake white America up to the horrors of slavery." were changed to "to wake up the North of America to the horrors of slavery." To be fair, it might be more accurate—I don't know enough about U.S. history to tell. Still, it seemed as if it warranted a mention.
Earlier, he removed the word "white" from the sentence "a lot of white Americans seem to think that any Hispanic people are 'Mexican'."
Also, he wrote the following poorly-grammaring entry:
- "Perhaps the father of the propaganda or public relations machine Austrian-American Edward L. Bernays. Responsible for selling cigarettes to women, ww1 to the U.S. public, the bacon and eggs All-American breakfast, and the Guatemalan coup. His published book Propaganda in 1922 inspired Goebbels."
openDeadnaming Chris-Chan Literature
On the page for A Girl Who Brought Down the World, Hoota made the
following
edits
, which seem to refer to her
with her deadname and deadpronouns.
While I understand that Christine is already a controversial figure in more ways than one, I thought it right to refer to her using her preferred name and pronouns since the page for the Sonichu webcomic uses that name.
Should we continue to use the preferred name for Christine? I already reverted the edits this person made, but I'm still not entirely sure.
Edited by YuriHaru567openMisusing Troper
RileyGronlundSuperMario who was previously suspended for deliberate mis-information and improper trope use is back at it again.
- Misusing
Adaptational Wimp for a Spongebob bubble of all things.
- They overlooked
how X Must Not Win is to be used.
- They write
negative
comments
towards characters they dislike.
- Lacking
a link to the work they've written about.
- These
Strawberry Shortcake entries
are written
with way too much exaggeration.
- Adding
a film that didn't have a Downer Ending to that page just to use one of its scenes as an example with misuse of flanderization.
- A random youtuber
isn't an example of Boss Subtitles just for adding them to games that doesn't use them.
open Problem Troper?
Heart Of Stone has a very short, but very...interesting edit history so far.
- Including
this trope description deletion and...interesting edit reason.
- Removing
entries of The Scrappy without any consensus, and then removing related entries on the same YMMV page.
- Look, I don't know if this one
is accurate or what, but another troper came in with a weed whacker to cut it down, which suggests it was at least a bit excessive.
Feels pretty agenda-y.
open Editing with an agenda
I'm a bit worried about business-enjoyer. They seem to be editing with a political agenda. A lot of it is borderline stuff, so I need you guys' input.
- HERE
they listed Anti-Fascist Action as an American terrorist group.
- HERE
they say that there's bound to be people who believe monsters in closets are real, considering that there even exists "climate change believers."
- HERE
they've written an entry to criticize Anthony Fauci.
- HERE
they've written an entry that seems sorta biased against people who criticize the alt-right webcomic Stonetoss. Phrasings like "their edits weren't funny to non-Marxists" are worrying. The entire entry seems vaguely to consider this a well-deserved victory of Stonetoss's.
- HERE
they listed Moral Myopia about Woody Guthrie, to criticize his values. (To be fair, they did reply "Understood" when I explained that we don't do this.)
- HERE
they added a note to explain why, in their opinion, a popular feminist slogan is poorly thought-through and illogical.
- HERE
, in a note, they add some natter about how Alexander Hamilton was not an immigrant in the modern sense of the world, which seems correct but is still natter.
- HERE
they write about the Romanovs that "The Royal Family did nothing wrong" and while I don't know enough history to tell whether that's true, it's still feels like additional evidence of an agenda.
- HERE
they make an edit changing "controversial election" into "rigged election".

On Undertale, troper cfo34hjich added these
entries under Unintentionally Unsympathetic. These were originally added by ZoicAlcelaphine
, who has since been banned, and cfo34hjich
is a rather new account. I suspect they're a sockpuppet.
Edited by AlleyOop