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openNon-character tropes on a Character page. Western Animation
On Friendship Is Magic: Spike, editor Punitivefool 14 has added dozens of trope examples with a couple of problems.
- First of all, whatever cut-and-paste method they used breaks up Wiki Word, forcing other editors to make lots of corrections behind them. (I've messaged the concerned about it). Other errors including no quote marks around episode titles, as well as no formatting at all for quotes. (For the record, I haven't checked yet if the editor did the same mistakes on other pages than this one.)
- Secondly, lots of the examples don't look like character tropes at all, just any trope examples concerning the character, often happening within a single episode and thus already mentioned in said recap. I'd like some help to clean-up those from anybody having a clear idea what tropes go in a character page and what tropes don't.
openWhere should these Lion King characters go? Western Animation
So I was scrolling through The Lion King characters lists and noticed some oddities. Kiara, despite being the protagonist of the second film and barely a character in the first, is listed under the first movie simply because she was introduced there. Additionally, Vitani has two separate trope lists under the second film and The Lion Guard.
I feel Kiara's trope list should be moved to the second film and Vitani's lists should be merged under the second film as well, but I'd like to get some other's thoughts first before making any decisions.
openSteven Universe duplicate pages (Awesome, NightmareFuel, etc..) Western Animation
I noticed that there are some duplicate pages in the Sugar Wiki for Steven Universe. For example the Awesome page has the examples in the various folder, but also all these pages without an index. Probably someone, starting from the Funny page, has created them without finishing the job..
Edited by rafiopenfluffything's DMOS entries being removed Western Animation
A troper named katnissfire has removed almost all of fluffything's entries in the DethroningMoment.Western Animation for different works, citing that he added multiple moments in one page, never mind the fact that katnissfire has completely misred the rules where it says one moment per work, not one moment per page
Edit: Woops looks like I mistyped the link
Edited by Loekman3openComplaining on pony discussion pages Western Animation
Sorry to bother you, but Mixmaster 226 has been going to the discussion pages for My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic and complaining about season 9.
Sorry if this has been delt with.
openFranchise.ToyStory redirect Western Animation
I have noticed that WesternAnimation.Toy Story seems to be written in the style of a Franchise page, with it listing all the works the series has appeared in and general tropes for the series (pages for the first movie instead go to WesternAnimation.Toy Story 1). Would it be alright if I recreated the cut Franchise.Toy Story page, moved the page's content there and made the WesternAnimation.Toy Story page a redirect to the Franchise page?
Edited by N8han11openDisputing recent deletion (Invincible 2021: Spoilers) Western Animation
I had recently added the following example to the YMMV page of Invincible (2021):
- What An Idiot: Despite being shown to be a very competent team of heroes, several members of the Guardians of the Globe grab the Idiot Ball hard during their fight with Omni-Man.
- [[spoiler: The first thing Red Rush does when the fight starts is shove Immortal out of the way of Omni-Man’s sneak attack, saving Immortal’s life. Then when Omni-Man continues to attack, Red Rush counters Omni-Man’s speed by moving his teammates out of the way at the last second, frustrating Omni-Man.
- [[spoiler: Darkwing functions as the team’s Batman Expy, using stealth, gadgets, skill and intelligence to take out his opponents. He’s also just seen Omni-Man murder Red Rush.
These additions were deleted with the following justification:
My Little Xero: Simply doesn't fit, as we barely know anything about the character before their deaths, claiming that they're holding the Idiot Ball is simply inaccurate as we need to know their typical behavior to call it as such, in addition as we see when the Guardians fight the Mauler Twins, the tactics used the by the characters to fight Omni-Man are pretty much the same so this
Naturally, I disagree. For one thing, the part of editing reason is inaccurate, as the tactics used by the mentioned characters in a previous fight are different from the ones they used vs Omni-Man. Against the Mauler Twins (who are much weaker than Omni-Man), Darkwing actually maintained distance, uses his weapons effectively and did not try to drop kick either of them. Likewise, Red Rush only engages the Mauler Twins (who are both much slower than Omni-Man) in melee when Green Ghost immobilizes them. So in both instances, the heroes tactics were different in their fight with Omni-Man than they were with the Mauler Twins.
Beyond them simply not being as effective as before, the tactics in both cases are suicidally stupid. Literally so since it gets them both killed (along with other members of their team), and I feel What an Idiot was made for moments of that kind of stupidity, regardless of how little we might know about the characters in general.
Furthermore, a lack of knowledge of a character does not invalidate the use of What An Idiot listings. Taken directly from the What An Idiot page:
"Because most viewers have basic common sense, one would usually expect the same from characters on TV shows. Any negative deviation from such usually prompts a Face Palm and the comment "What an idiot!" or similar, hence the entry name."
The page also mentions that some characters are supposed to be idiots, but goes on to say how that does not invalidate including them in What An Idiot entries. It merely asks that you summarize such moments rather than list them all.
If it's specifically the inclusion of the Idiot Ball trope that makes this inaccurate, I can remove it. I have ZERO intentions of getting into any kind of an editing war, so I'd like other opinions on the matter, to make sure I'm not in the wrong or anything before I take any additional steps.
Edited by Ares101openOverly long entry Western Animation
The YMMV page for "The Ending of the End, Part 2"
has a very lengthy entry under Draco in Leather Pants:
- A Vocal Minority believe that the villain trio should have been given one Last-Second Chance to surrender and redeem themselves after they were depowered at least before turning them to stone if they still refused. As Unintentionally Sympathetic below points out, Discord was considered to have forced the villains into an evil plan disguised as Grogar with them not being given a chance to redeem themselves, forgetting that even if Discord didn't free them and managed to escape themselves they would still be committed to their evil acts since they have made it clear they have no interest in friendship or redeeming themselves according to Chrysalis who states they will never surrender and will always return to carry out their evil plans and them working together is not a sign of friendship since they're in on it only for their evil plans and tried to backstab each other every time one of them gains the upper hand and their betrayal of Discord shows that their own evil plans were not bound by being forced into Grogar's plan. The same fans were uncritical of King Sombra never being offered redemption despite him not even realizing the value of friendship, but rejecting it like them.
There's already an entry above this that makes the same points more concisely. I was leaning towards cutting this but due to its length, I wanted to know what others think first.
openMLPFIM Season 9 Fridge Horror Western Animation
Didn't know if I should ask this on the forum or here. Spoiler warning as this involves a plot twist for season 9 of My Little Pony Friendship is Magic.
Given that "Grogar" turned out to be a fake, should the following Fridge Horror entries about him be cut:
- Grogar is powerful enough to make Tirek, Chrysalis, and Cozy Glow, all top tier season-ender villains themselves, AFRAID... and he's NOT at full power yet!
- Considering how powerful Grogar is without his bell, the villain trio deciding to betray him by stealing the bell for themselves might be the only reason why Equestria isn't flattened to the ground.
- Instead of giving Grogar his bell, Tirek, Chrysalis, and Cozy lie to him and claim they were unable to retrieve it. Grogar seems furious at this, but he has shown in the past to be able to view previous events. What if he finds out about their lie later, or already knows about it and has plans to deal with his traitors later?
- Grogar makes it very clear that, even in his weakened state, he has far more power than the three of them combined. With the bell still there as far as he knows, what's stopping him from trying to go get it himself now that the others have at least learned to cooperate, only to find it missing?
- With the amount of power Grogar would have gained upon getting his Bewitching Bell back, who's to say he wouldn't have decided he doesn't need the others anymore? Even if he had other plans for them initially, he's far more likely to decide that should he learn of their betrayal.
openTroper with a bizarre agenda. Western Animation
Okay, a new troper, jto has only made four edits yesterday, all deletions without edit reasons and all of them was about removing a character's dating history or who the fans were shipping him with hence why I'm thinking there might be an agenda even though it's a really weird one.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=jto
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Characters.DuckTales2017McDuckFamilyHouseholdAndEmployees#edit25433627
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.DuckTales2017#edit25433681
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.DuckTales2017#edit25433705
openSmall edits. Western Animation
Thetropemaster101
is constantly making small edits on the Star Wars: The Clone Wars subpages. Most of these are changing single words, (often changing the words, and then immediately changing them back), moving punctuation marks from brackets, and sometimes leaving null edits for no discernable reason. This bloats up the page histories a lot. Is this against wiki guidelines? If not, I apologize.
openIs this recap page pointless? Western Animation
So I discovered Recap.The Adventures Of Andre And Wally B. While singular works can have recap pages, the work here is a 2-minute-long animated short film with a very minimal plot that’s already summed up in the main page’s description, so I don’t see why there needs to be a recap page.
openNo Edit Reason Western Animation
The four most recent edits of https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=cristian1234
have just been deletions without any edit reasons which I would have just contented myself on sending them a message if two of those edits weren't big edits and all of them didn't seem to have a discernible reason behind it.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.DarkwingDuck
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.DuckTales2017
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Funny.DuckTales2017Season3#edit27064396
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Funny.Ducktales2017Season2#edit27064636
openCaption changed without permission Western Animation
A week ago, the image and caption for Awesome.The Super Mario Bros Movie had been selected thanks to the appropriate Image Pickin' thread
. However, ASJ's first edit after Synchronicity added the caption is to change the caption
despite the commented-out warning not to. Twice, even.
openInquiry about Misaimed Fandom edit Western Animation
Since I couldn't find a Misaimed Fandom clean-up page;
I came across this Misaimed Fandom edit on the YMMV page for South Park: Joining the Panderverse;
- Both the left and right have claimed ownership of the special, with the left claims the right failed to realize the episode took shots at "the right YouTubers" for one scene while failing to realize that the show has taken multiple shots at "wokeness" with the character of PC Prinicpal representing them, and also taking shots at Disney with Mickey Mouse being used as a villain in a few episodes. The right knowing they're being picked on and not caring about that one scene and enjoying the jabs at Kathleen Kennedy being used as the poster child for pandering in the special. All the while, both sides miss the fact that both sides are presented as part of the problem.
While not without its good points, the edit, at least from I what believe, at best simplified the varying reactions to the episode and, at worst, despite the troper's intentions, may have came off as a bit one-sided (e.g. it failing to acknowledge how (far)-right-leaning fans misinterpreted the special in a similar way that left or (far-left) leaning fans did). I considered rewriting it, but I couldn't quite figure out how to make it work, so I instead deleted the edit, giving my reasoning as;
However, I'm not quite sure if that was the right choice. As such, I have decided to get a third party's opinion on the matter on whether or not the edit should be restored, if it should be rewritten, or if it should stay deleted.
Edited by WiryAiluropodineopenSingle issue wonk Western Animation
Most of M 3 S's The Owl House related edits seem to consist of adding walls of texts critizing the behavior of Amity. Is this a cause for concern?
Edited by ViiraopenEdit War over natter, complaining entry Western Animation
On the Base-Breaking Character page of Miraculous Ladybug:
- This sub-entry was initially added
by Kingslayer 38.
- Because it came off as a mix of Natter and complaining, as well as the fact it didn't really belong on a Base Breaking Character page, I deleted it
.
- Kingslayer38
re-added a few days later with no edit reason.
openFinding Nemo and Overprotective Dad Western Animation
I'm not 100% sure this is the right place to ask. My doubt isn't about the entry itself or its usage, but the correctness of this entry in YMMV.Finding Nemo that I find rather excessive:
- "Seinfeld" Is Unfunny:
- Marlin is the Trope Codifier of the Overprotective Dad trope mostly found in Western Animation. This has resulted in many other overprotective dads, like Dracula, Samson and Manny being seen as rip-offs of him.
openFalse information on ''WesternAnimation/Dumbo'' related pages. Western Animation
So there have been a bunch of weird entries being added to the Dumbo related pages of all things, essentially accusing the Ringmaster of saying racial slurs among other things. All by the same editor, Dandy Crow.
- Flanderization: The Ringmaster in the movie wasn't necessarily an outright villain despite his actions toward Dumbo and his mother and being considered the main antagonist of the film, just another jerkass. But he's upgraded to being the main villain antagonist for Dumbo in Disney's Villains' Revenge. ‘’’He is implied by the roustabaouts in their passive-aggressive musical to be exploitative and abusive toward them and the animals, calling even the roustabaouts names like "dirty apes".’’’
- No Antagonist: A rare instance of a Disney movie that has no real villains, per se (at best, the Ringmaster is an Anti-Villain, despite his ‘’’"punishing" Dumbo for a failed performance by putting him in very dangerous and humiliating acts’’ and ‘’’his treatment toward the roustabaouts).’’’ Instead, it's about an elephant who's trying to find acceptance within his own circus.
- Villainy-Free Villain: The Ringmaster is touted as the main antagonist, but most of his controversial acts like locking Mrs. Jumbo and sending Dumbo to the clowns were all to maintain and protect his circus and all the other animals there, but the former could also be because of Mrs. Jumbo humiliating him by throwing him into a vat full of water and the latter could be easily a punishment for Dumbo for failing terribly the Ringmaster's beloved act,’ ‘’not to mention his treatment toward the roustabaouts.’’ He apparently would try to honor Dumbo's attempts to get his mother free, but Dumbo screwed up the first one, and after he spectacularly succeeded, despite the Ringmaster being publicly humiliated by Dumbo, he perhaps kept his word and gave Dumbo and his mother a well-deserved luxury, but ‘’the film implies that Timothy became the new manager and ringmaster of the circus.’’
These edits insist that the Ringmaster calls racial slurs at the workers during the song of the Roustabouts.
However whilst the song does have the line, "grab that rope, you hairy ape", which is indeed loaded with tons of Unfortunate Implications, not only is the voice actor for that line, ‘’not’’ Herman Bing(voice of the Ringmaster), but the Ringmaster is absent in that entire sequence altogether.
There are also circus animals working in that scene alongside the humans, so its also possible the line was referring to an actual ape (its still offensive to be clear).
Basically it seems like saying for fact on the Tvtropes article that the Ringmaster yells racial slur at the workers is false information. It might make an interesting entry for Wild Mass Guessing, but it doesn’t belong on the main page.
Similarly whilst the Ring Master is depicted in the film as an egotistical Pointy-Haired Boss, nothing in the film implies the Ringmaster intentionally punished the protagonist or that he imprisoned Dumbo’s mom for throwing him in a vat of water.
And doing basic research shows that the Ringmaster was not replaced at the end of the film as Deleted Scenes and ancillary material say he’s still in charge. So again, saying the Ringmaster was replaced seems like a lot of misinformation.
Whilst its very possible, I’m wrong, I noticed similar edits were on the Disney wiki’s ringmaster by a banned user of the same username(Dandy Crow) as the person doing these tvtropes edits with misinformation.
One Link of similar edits on the disney wiki
These constant edits eventually led to the Ringmaster article on DisneyWiki being perma locked
. So I'm wondering if its the same editor on Tvtropes?
So does anyone think this is worth a look?
Edited by Monsund

An Example of Limited Animation for the Pixar Short Ciao, Alberto has been contested and I'd appreciate feedback on the appearance of these two food items.