Have a question about how the TVTropes wiki works? No one knows this community better than the people in it, so ask away! Ask the Tropers is the page you come to when you have a question burning in your brain and the support pages didn't help.
It's not for everything, though. For a list of all the resources for your questions, click here. You can also go to this Directory thread
for ongoing cleanup projects.
Ask the Tropers is for:
- General questions about the wiki, how it works, and how to do things.
- Reports of problems with wiki articles, or requests for help with wiki articles.
- Reports of misbehavior or abuse by other tropers.
Ask the Tropers is not for:
- Help identifying a trope. See TropeFinder.
- Help identifying a work. See MediaFinder.
- Asking if a trope example is valid. See the Trope Talk forum.
- Proposing new tropes. See TropeLaunchPad.
- Making bug reports. See QueryBugs.
- Asking for new wiki features. See QueryWishlist.
- Chatting with other tropers. See our forums.
- Reporting problems with advertisements. See this forum topic.
- Reporting issues on the forums. Send a Holler instead.
Ask the Tropers:
openHeavy case of AutoEroticTroping Webcomic
Nixvir is a webcomic created by Aeneas 1 with, to date, a whopping 1162 "related" pages
. Taking a look at them, so far, all the wicks I've seen have been created by the author. To give credit where it's due, the page itself has been edited by other tropers, but is still mainly the work of Aeneas 1. That includes the following very gushy sentence from the description: "What begins as a wacky, childish High Concept becomes an epic story to contend with the likes of Homer and Virgil, a tale of love, religious fanaticism, masculinity and good versus evil..."
Now, obviously there's nothing wrong with making a page for your own work and crosswicking it; however, of the wicks I've looked at, quite a few are shoehorn-y, with a tendency towards using Not a Subversion to get something that's plainly a non-example on the page:
- Subverted in Nixvir where Zanuba instead has a bird with the head of a gnome as her familiar. None of the other witches are depicted as using familiars, anyway.
- Subverted with Lady Metre in Nixvir who wears a sheaf of wheat in her hair, symbolising her role as the goddess of the harvest. In fact, none of the female characters are depicted as wearing flowers in their hair. I guess this might be a straight example, but it's definitely not a subversion, and the last sentence isn't needed.
- The actual year in which Nixvir takes place is never directly given. That is Ambiguous Time Period, not this trope.
Trademark Favorite Food.Webcomics:
- Subverted in Nixvir; Erik is unable to eat, being a snowman, and thus he can never have a favourite food. Mind you, he does have a tolerance for alcohol, but he is never seen favouring it above all other drinks. Justified, in that perhaps favourite food or drink, even if he were able to eat, would not be a priority for him. So... it's an aversion, then.
They also have some wicks that, while not factually inaccurate, are wildly gushy, for example the entry on ShownTheirWork.Web Comics (not going to quote it here for length, but it contains phrases like "is very well researched" and "The author studied Classical Studies and English Literature at King's College London [...], and it shows".) Remember, this entry was made by the comic's creator.
They have also been linking their comic in a bunch of Quotes pages, image links pages, and Referenced by….
They have two other webcomics on the wiki, Ragnar: The Prelude to Nixvir and Perekrin Penkrin A Day In The Life. The latter hardly has any wicks so far, but I checked a couple of the wicks of the first one, and it seems to have a similar problem of shoehorned examples.
Edited by DoktorvonEurotrashopenNSFW Offsite Links on Work Page Webcomic
The page for The Perry Bible Fellowship has a section for tropes occurring in individual strips, several of which include NSFW links. I don't think it meets the criteria for pornography, as it's an adult humor comic and not used for titillation, but there's uncensored breasts and genitalia, depictions of sex, etc. I was under the impression that this was against the rules (or at least, other NSFW works like Oglaf have notices on their pages to not link directly to NSFW content).
The page itself is kind of messy to begin with, since I'm not sure if there really needs to be a divide between recurring tropes and ones that occur in just one or two strips, but the main thing that caught my attention was the links being on the page. Is this in need of cleanup?
Migrated to Chloe Jessica!
openis this a violation of ROCEJ? Webcomic
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.OvershadowedByControversy
Scifimaster 92 deleted the following entry from Overshadowed by Controversy:
- Sinfest, a webcomic initially known for its raunchy, dark comedy and its lighthearted parodies of religious tropes, garnered a much more negative reputation after the onset of the Sisterhood arc in 2011, which radically shifted the comic's focus into a story-driven one with heavy, radical feminist overtones. What made this so controversial was a combination of its misandrist attitudes towards men, the author's constant deflection of criticism as "dudebro misogyny," attempts at using female characters to speak for women despite being a middle-aged man (as well as insulting women who disagree with his views), and more recently the use of the Sisterhood as a mouthpiece for transphobia, depicting gender non-conforming individuals as liars and literal zombies. Consequently, the comic's fanbase has been hemorrhaging out over the years, the author's Patreon is seeing a steady decline in support, and Sinfest is now more well-known for its trans-exclusionary radical feminist overtones than for anything else about it.
now, some of this probably does need to be cut, the bits about misandry and the like are likely to attract MRAs. however, TV Tropes explicitly takes a pro-trans, anti-transphobia stance. i dont think it runs afoul of ROCEJ to condemn TERFs.
im trans myself, so i may be too close to this issue to view it objectively. id like some input on whether it's kosher to include or not.
Edited by razorrozar7openRepeat AutoEroticTroping offense Webcomic
I ended up coming across the page TearJerker.Sonic Into Across And Beyond, as the main page has come up in the related query for another work I follow.
This would not be a problem if not for the following two reasons:
- The sole contributor to the article is Motorbike User 43, who is also the author of this fic.
- This person has already been suspended before
for Auto-Erotic Troping.
Though I hate to throw another user under the bus (they've consistently reacted very poorly to being called out for policy violations, self-flagellating rather than trying to improve), I draw the line at behavior indistinguishable from ignorance.
Edited by TrocyteVopen"Non-visual" webcomic? Webcomic
So, Webcomic.Bill Nye The Russian Spy is a page.
And it describes itself as a "non-visual" webcomic and the only link is to the text-based Archive of Our Own.
I assume we don't allow fanfics to be in the webcomic namespace if someone calls it a "non-visual webcomic" so I would just move it to fanfic... but honestly, the page is created and maintained by a vandal and troll
so I don't know if that's even valid. Their edits are generally so uniformly detached from reality that I can't in good conscience make a page for this work using their words, and I'm not going to read the fic just to make the move and ensure that their edits are accurate.
Thoughts?
open About a work I made Webcomic
I would like to make a page for work I made on here. If I haven't violated any of the rules on the page (i.e. the work is tropable, i will not add subjectives/audience reactions/trivia/recommendations on the work, and I won't Entry Pimp myself), is it still considered Auto-Erotic Troping, therefore not allowing me to?
Edited by nonalienpersonyepopenRecreating character page for Yumi's Cells Webcomic
Edit: I'm looking for feedback on character images now.
I want to make sure it's okay to recreate Yumi's Cells, which was apparently cut because it didn't have content.
While I'm at it, I also have a few questions about how I should handle spoilers between the characters page and the main Yumi's Cells page. Before I edited the work page, it seemed to mostly spoiler out things regarding the breakup of the second boyfriend and the existence of the third boyfriend.
- If the entry is about the main character's romance, should I put it exclusively in the relevant boyfriend's folder (e.g. a Rejected Marriage Proposal)?
- Should I keep the second boyfriend's breakup spoilered on the character page, or would that be too self-fulfilling? How about non-breakup-related things like the bait-and-switch of the proposal that turned out to be just a regular gift... which turned out to be a wedding ring?
- Should I put a spoilers-off warning on the third boyfriend? I think he has enough non-spoilery tropes about his personality to not be an all-white folder, but the spoilers on the romantic tropes might defeat the purpose.
- The work page has quite a few entries with bullet points for multiple people. If the entries have spoilers for a character that would have a folder, should I move the character's bullet point to their folder? If the entry would lose most of its bullet points that way, should I rewrite it to be more general? (e.g. rewrite the Shirtless Scene entry to say all the boyfriends have such a scene at the high point in their relationships and move the specifics to their respective folders)
- On a different note, should I put a three-trope threshold on the Cell characters before splitting them off from the humans they belong to?
openCan you settle my disputes of MichaelKatsuro's edits on the Ghosts of the Future articles? Webcomic
To complete the plan for my final revisions of the Ghosts of the Future articles and because of the strict Edit War policy and the fact MichaelKatsuro sides with all of his edits, I have to bring up my disputes of MichaelKatsuro's edits here for other tropers to address and suggest ways to settle them. I'd like at least two tropers to address them all.
Webcomic.Ghosts Of The Future / General
- Can the Nipple and Dimed example be reverted back to the previous version? Right now, it's just listing examples of nipple exposure in the comic, which is People Sitting On Chairs. The previous version explored the difference of nipple detail based on gender, which is what the Nipple and Dimed trope is all about.
- What's wrong with the curly brackets? I used to edit [[LikeThis this, when someone one day corrected me to use {{Like|this}}, so I went by that since then (not to mention it saves source code size). Is there a rule against them? Additionally, MichaelKatsuro typo'd Fusion Dance as Fusion Danc.
- Can the adverbs for the Sorceress' nipples can be added back, because they do give a different meaning than without adverbs? Importantly, should we still emphasize the nipples frequently (this is in an American perspective, because I, Evan Stanley, and many tropers are American)? I don't want to traumatize children nor get attacked by angry parents, but I don't want to shame Evan Stanley.
- Can the bit about Evan Stanley Lampshading the Talking Heads trope be added back, since that really adds to the example?
- Revised example for Ghosts of the Future's example on Mohs Scale Of Violence Hardness:
- Ghosts of the Futurenote Would've been a level 6 if it weren't for Sonic dying with large yet crudely-drawn bloody flesh wounds, the sight of Tails' bloody corpse with a large gash in one eye, and a character being impaled in both of his hands which results in thick blood dripping out of his wounds and huge bloodstains
Characters.Ghosts Of The Future
- Why are the "(UNMARKED SPOILERS)" notices removed? Is there a rule against folders with unmarked spoilers now? I think most of the spoilers for characters are Late Arrival Spoilers now, but I'd appreciate if they had spoiler warnings tagged for those wanting to enjoy the comic. I think if there's such a rule, the sheet might as well as Spoilers Off to be fair for all folders.
- Can the Big-Lipped Alligator Moment example be added back? I think the nipples are shocking enough to point Evan Stanley regards them as Old Shame- How about Shocking Moments instead?
- In issue 6, the Sorceress of the Dark Isle transforms into Darkwing and becomes naked. While her other parts are covered up with a Censor Shadow, her nipples are shown, yet lack so much detail they barely count as nipples. Many readers were shocked by this bit of partial nudity showing up in a Sonic fancomic, and Evan Stanley has now sees it as Old Shame.
- (Another Shocking Moments example) In issue 17, readers were shocked by the incident in which Mettalix impales Silver's hands and an abundant amount of red blood draws out.
- Proposed revision of the What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids? example (and its identical counterpart on the trope example), which I think is better and lacks Word Cruft (Word Cruft takes the form of unnecessary words, these words add more detail for people to get a glimpse of the work; also, should the bit about one of the pages' description on DeviantArt having an erection joke be added back because I think that's still part of the work, as Evan Stanley considers her DeviantArt profile to be the comic's main host, or is the comic itself PG-13 enough to overlook that?):
- Even though Ghosts of the Future is a Sonic The Hedgehog fancomic by who is now an official Sonic comic artist and writer, it is not for children. The comic starts off with Sonic and his best friends being bloodily massacred by a mind-controlled Shadow, which results in Sonic and Shadow enduring trauma and guilt. There's shedding of red blood, infrequent and usually mild profanity, some sexual innuendonote such as the Visual Innuendo of the Sorceress holding the long neck of a jug between her breasts, and brief, non-sexual, and partial nudity in the form of rudimentary-looking yet visibly erect nipples. Nevertheless, little kids still read the comic, which encouraged
Stanley to add Content Warnings to the issue 17 incident.
- Even though Ghosts of the Future is a Sonic The Hedgehog fancomic by who is now an official Sonic comic artist and writer, it is not for children. The comic starts off with Sonic and his best friends being bloodily massacred by a mind-controlled Shadow, which results in Sonic and Shadow enduring trauma and guilt. There's shedding of red blood, infrequent and usually mild profanity, some sexual innuendonote such as the Visual Innuendo of the Sorceress holding the long neck of a jug between her breasts, and brief, non-sexual, and partial nudity in the form of rudimentary-looking yet visibly erect nipples. Nevertheless, little kids still read the comic, which encouraged
- Move Evan Stanley's quote in The Woobie examples to the first bullet point, next the "The Woobie:".
openWebcomic page wiped by creator Webcomic
It seems that we have one of these situations again: Gerbil1
wiped pretty much everything on the The Misadventures Of Gerbil main page and YMMV page. The main page edit had the following edit reason:
As author of this page (and the original comic), this was a mistake. The comic itself has long been wiped from the internet. I'd prefer not to have my name associated with it any longer.
For the record, the link that was on the page does not appear to work any longer, but I haven't done anything past that to see if it still exists in some fashion.
openSelf-Pimping Webcomic
Very new account goliberalart
has only been making edits pertaining to the webcomic of the same name. Unsure if this is a problem, but it's certainly noticeable.
openAn Artical Possibly in a Wrong Namespace Webcomic
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Victory Fire
I recently had come across this comic on the internet, but since I'm a new reader, I have no idea if this webcomic has any history pre-2012 (like if it started as a Fan Fic and then became a webcomic). So my question is this: Is this article possibly in the wrong namespace? If it is, then this article belongs the Webcomics namespace. Also I'm a novice, so I'm not comfortable trying to move pages by myself currently.
openHow to request a work title change? Webcomic
How do I get approval to change the title of a work page?
The page for Alfie 2010 obviously enough has 2010 in the title to designate the year it started. However, it actually started in 2014, and the 2010 dates on Chapter 1 are an error. Explanation here
I realize I could just create the new page myself, but then I'd have to change every wick, and I don't want to do that if it's just going to be reverted by well-meaning editors. Also, I don't have the power to delete the incorrect page title.
open[Resolved] Girl Genius: Secret Blueprints as Trivia? Webcomic
Trivia.Girl Genius contains info about "The Secret Blueprints". While I take these are some sort of Bonus Material, I know for sure there are a few problems with it.
- It takes 92% of the page with a 46k symbols on something not tropes or production info, and nobody touched it since 2012. It goes into excessive details describing the contents of each book, which sounds more like Recap than trivia.
- It says "also available on Girl Genius Wiki". As far as I can tell
, that was never true, unless there was another wiki.
- Some choice words and second person writing makes me wonder if it's plagiarized, which I can't confirm myself.
Any suggestions what to do here?
Edited by AmonimusopenAdd the Misadventures of Sonic the Hedgehog? Webcomic
Are we able to make suggestions for new works? If so, do you think add the fan webcomic, The Misadventures of Sonic the Hedgehog by Fallen Angel Cam 7? Fallen Angel Cam 7 himself said that No Context Sonic does the Sonic related stuff.
Edited by AutisticPhantomOtaku620openThe Bird Feeder (Webcomic) page - safe to recreate? Webcomic
I'm the creator of The Bird Feeder webcomic, and there used to be a page here for it, though it's since been removed (see https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Webcomic/TheBirdFeeder
). I understand completely why that was, as it had several Zero Content Example and Weblinks Are Not Examples violations, and I've since moved to a new CMS and changed the structure of the links anyway, so most of the page would be pretty useless.
I was wondering, though, if it would be seen as bad form if I recreated the page myself, using an archived version of it as a template, and added some better descriptions for the examples. The page wasn't originally made by me, and I'm prepared to receive any abuse given to me for even asking to do this, but it was just a thought I had.
Edited by arkholtopenNo Title Webcomic
bluesaber has cutlisted Webcomic.Cats N Cameras with the reason "This is a NSFW comic that violates this site's family friendly policy with blatant sex in it." even though "blatant sex" is not in and of itself a violation of the Content Policy and it's up to the 5P to decide on anything's standing under the Content Policy, not random cutlisting.
Plus, it's not the first time they've unilaterally cutlisted stuff (and the 5P ruled it "Not Porn" in that instance) - see here
.
openNo Title Webcomic
What's the best approach to disagreements on a page?
Basically, on the Goblins page someone added an entry for Mr. Fingers, the Lesser Finger Horror. I removed it
with the reasoning that Mr. Fingers was a Giant Space Flea from Nowhere, a random encounter whom, however impactful, was quickly disposed of and had no characterization to speak of. It'd be like having an entry for the Yellow Musk Creeper or the Soulspike Devourer.
Tambov333 disagreed and re-added it, claiming Mr. Fingers was a major antagonist.
I know the rule is "two reverts = edit war", so I'm refraining from re-deleting myself right now. If I could get a consensus of some sort one way or the other, or be directed on how to achieve a consensus, it'd be appreciated.
openNo Title Webcomic
Awhile ago I tried to make the character page for Wayward Sons by myself. Naturally, I gave up less than halfway through, and it hasn't changed since. I'm considering trying again, but I want to know if there's some kind of guideline to this kind of thing. Last time, I just copied the character profiles from the comic itself, which was a mistake.
Also, anyone care to help out? Many hands make light work and all that...

PrincessPandaTrope and I are the only two people who frequently edit the page for the Sonic the Hedgehog fan comic Ghosts of the Future. I'm starting to understand why nobody else wants to edit the page. She keeps sending me PMs after I edit, saying that she's "very disappointed with" me for not phrasing things exactly the way she wanted.
One example would be my latest edit, where I removed the word "very" from a lot of edits, since it's a word that usually doesn't do any good. Saying "the house is very big" doesn't actually give you any more exact info about how big the house is than if you just say "The house is big."
She PMed me and said that I should have replaced it with a more descriptive adjective instead, without explaining why she couldn't do that herself.
She also said that I was giving the middle finger to the comic's creator, Evan Stanley, by replacing "very [adjective]" with a plain "[adjective]". She said that I was misleading people about the content of the comic this way—as if I had changed an exact measurement to one less exact or accurate.
And then there's the time when she asked people to cut down the wall of text
in one entry, and then when I did that, she asked me to explain why I deleted things
. I tried to be polite, but I wondered why she even asked for help if she expected people to follow rules she never bothered mentioning.
(Then, in an act of Edit Warring, she put back things I'd taken away.)
It feels like she's decided that my only task is to fix the grammar and spelling mistakes she keeps making again and again. It also feels like she's got this idea of how the page must be written that she assumes everybody else knows and she therefore chooses never to tell people about.
To be frank, she's acting like she's Knuckles the Echidna and the GotF page is a Chaos Emerald. ('Cause she's acting like its guardian, geddit?)
Short version: This troper is rude, keeps edit warring and has page ownership issues, and it's getting very tiring.
Edited by MichaelKatsuro