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openWhat to do about our page for a dead MUGEN series? Web Original
So the HvH MUGEN series has been on this site for years. Unfortunately, the years have not been kind to the series, and the account responsible for creating and maintaining the series was banned on Youtube in 2014 for the usual DMCA-related reasons (a common hazard that fanvid and anime music video makers have to deal with, unfortunately), which means that the series in question has been gone for nine years. As far as I know, there is no other place where the vids can be accessed, there's no way to use Wayback Machine to recover the vids, and the series is pretty much dead.
So what is the protocol here? Do we cutlist it, or does something else need to be done?
Edited by DravencouropenChikn Nuggit and Weblinks in Examples Web Original
The Funny and Heartwarming Moments subpages for Chikn Nuggit feature examples that implement weblinks. Sadly, in numerous cases, this is at the expense of context. Each example should stand on its own; the reader shouldn't be expected to view every relevant short just so they can understand why something is silly or sweet. Such examples, as far as I know, are in violation of Weblinks Are Not Examples. Also, examples that do provide proper context make the weblinks redundant.
I've already commented out two examples on the Heartwarming subpage for blatantly lacking sufficient context, but I feel more in-depth cleanup may be in order and would appreciate any assistance. For instance, would a Short-Term Project thread help?
openEditWar Web Original
On RWBY:
- Daniel Benner 8891 added this entry
about the recent episode.
- Soluna Rose deleted it
for essentially being based on speculation.
- Daniel Benner 8891 inexplicably re-adds it back
.
openTroper making low-quality edits to pages Web Original
King Susie Pen has been active since May 2023, but their edit history shows up as many instances of them making low-quality edits to pages they already made.
- Empty folders in character page
, which I'm very sure isn't allowed.
- Does this
count as speculative troping even though they're (supposedly) the creator of the series?
- ZCEs
in the Nightmare Face entry.
- Misuse
of a trope.
openDisagreement about the Awesome/BobChipman page, don't want to risk an Edit War Web Original
Not too long ago, a troper called 309216364 (is that the ID of an already-banned troper or something?) deleted the single biggest entry on this page, about Bob's massive "Really That Bad" video series on Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, which I will post here:
- During Part 1 of his Really That Bad analysis of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, Bob makes a comparison between the narrative structures of The Avengers (2012) and Batman V. Superman stripped of all but their most basic elements that underlines one of the main reasons the former succeeded where the latter failed: Avengers is straightforward, easy to understand and can be enjoyed without prior knowledge of the source comics or the preceding films because it doesn't lean on them to work as a narrative with its single Sequel Hook a post-credits shot of the Greater-Scope Villain, while BvS is a disjointed, convoluted mess that doesn't follow an understandable through-line narrative, paradoxically wants to differentiate itself from the source comics yet relies heavily on them for most of its emotional weight to carry and desperately tries to set up future films through gratuitous in-universe viewings of preview trailers. And he does all of this while giving every person or object with enough plot relevance a funny nickname, with plenty of Actor Allusions and character comparisons to go around.
- The entirety of his "Batman V. Superman" Really That Bad analysis. Chipman delivers his critique in a mature respectful tone, without insulting the filmmakers personally, and goes into detail acknowledging and addressing common arguments in defense of the film.
- Two of the best things he does is to effectively and succinctly fix the movie's greatest problems.
- The first being the 'Diana/Wonder Woman watching the teaser trailer for the Justice League scene', wherein Bob proposes letting Batman, the normal human who is discovering a lot of this new information for the first time, and whose perspective the audience has been following the entire movie, be the one to discover the existence of more metahumans. This not only gives the scene greater suspense and dramatic weight and a greater impetus for Batman to fight a perceived threat like Superman, it also gives a fantastic reason why Diana never showed up for a hundred years and was breaking into Lex Luthor's drives: She was helping cover up the existence of metahumans (and her secretive race) from people like Luthor.
- The second is the entire 'conflict' of the movie being forced and contrived and way too repetitive by the time the two people in the 'V' actually get down to versus-ing each other. Bob fixes the movie without any drastic overhaul or extensive retooling with two simple words: No Batman. The plot remains the same, with all the conspiratorial machinations and the populace distrusting Superman kept intact, but transfer all of Batman's actions and motivations to Luthor, thereby making Luthor a sympathetic, justified, heroic counterpoint to the detached, reluctant, destructive Superman, which would have greater thematic resonance and streamline the plot. For an added bonus, Bob suggests keeping Ben Affleck, with all his likability and charisma and on-the-ground heroism, as Luthor, which would provide even greater metanarrative implications and make the plot more compelling.
- To make what can only be described as a near definitive 3-part, four hour critique about Dawn of Justice, all the while maintaining his normal work responsibilities, is a feat of dedication that can only really be described as impressive.
As well as forgetting to delete the next paragraph that followed on from that (an observation about Bob possibly doing a "Really That Good" series on The Lord of the Rings) and leaving it orphaned, his reason for deleting the entire segment basically came down to "I don't think it's awesome and I don't like Bob". His cited reason from the History page:
Apart from the fact that this reason for removing the entry is entirely subjective (I thought "Really That Bad" was awesome, and I'm not even the one who wrote the original entry), it's also blatantly incorrect- there are several segments in Bob's series where he goes out of his way to be fair to the film and admit the things it did well and the ways it could have worked (even though it didn't), so the troper's claim that "he is entirely biased against the film in all aspects" suggests he edited it solely because of He Panned It Now He Sucks.
I could have just restored the edit myself, but I'm quite certain the guy will just delete it again, triggering an edit war situation. And since the last time I got close to an edit war I nearly got myself permanently banned, I'm not even going to get close to the possibility of it happening again. So I'm hoping there's some way to get a 3rd party judgement on this?
Edited by ArcaneAzmadiopenIs Jeff the Killer in the public domain? What about other creepypastas besides the Fear Mythos? Web Original
I was wondering if Jeff is copyrighted since Creepypasta Files Wikia
says that Jeff belongs to Sessuer, yet a lot of people say that, besides the image of unknown origin, he has no confirmed author. I'm asking because I was thinking on including him on the Public Domain Character page.
I was also wondering if there are other creepypastas with no defined author or purposely put in the PD like the fears from The Fear Mythos and The Rake.
Edited by UzarNaimBer15openRestore Ranboo's page Web Original
Let's Play.Ranboo was cut because of many tropes on the page that bring the creator troping and generally not following guidelines. Now, I have a few tropes that could come from his VTuber avatar, lore, and skits from his recent streams. I'll spend a while revamping and reworking it to keep up with recent times.
openWMG on a real life person Web Original
I noticed that there's a WMG page for I'm Autistic, Now What? that's mainly speculating on Megan's personal life.
Anyone else find this uncomfortable?
openUnmarked spoiler removal for Walking Spoiler in Characters.The Amazing Digital Circus Players Web Original
Recently, LCJ has removed
the unmarked spoiler warning of Kaufmo's folder (a Walking Spoiler) in Characters.The Amazing Digital Circus Players and inserted a bunch of spoiler tags without elaborating why they did it.
I'm soliciting a mod to revert this huge change, because as well as the lack of reason, it's clear that Kaufmo's folder is better off with unmarked spoilers due to a large majority of the tropes listed in it addressing spoilers from the work, not to mention that thus far, there's been only one more edit (on Ragatha's folder) after the removal that I can easily restore following the reversal.
Edited by Inky100openRWBY examples Web Original
On Recap.RWBYV 9 E 8 Tea Amidst Terrible Trouble (history is here
), GGG555 added an Armor-Piercing Response example and a Never My Fault example.
I removed them as potential misuse and brought it up on the Is this an example? thread
to avoid a potential edit war, but GGG555 readded the examples. Thoughts on what to do here?
openthis collaborative story known by multiple tile, but which one should i use? Web Original
There is this popular tumblr collaborative story, kind of like The God of Arepo: https://fanlore.org/wiki/The_Grandmother_and_The_Demon
though unlike The God Of Arepo, it doesnt have consistent title. some versions call it Anette and Todd the Demon, Grandmother and Todd, (The Adventures of) Todd and Granny and I Saw Granny Ethel with the Devil.
Which title should I use? I only put it as The Grandmother and the Demon though it's just a placeholder.
Edited by Clione67openSiIvaGunner subpages likely needs to be reworked Web Original
Sorry if this is a bit confusingly phrased.
Context: This query is about SiIvaGunner, a bait-and-switch YouTube music channel that mostly uploads “rips”. Most rips are just the thumbnail as is, but some can have additional visual elements or is a full video.
I’ve noticed two of the SiIvaGunner YMMV subpages, Awesome Moments and Awesome Music, are currently mostly interchangeable content-wise as both subpages mostly document entries about specific rips.
Out of the current 18 entries of the Awesome Moments subpage, 13 of them are about a specific rip (counting collaborative videos and rips not focused on music), and four of the 13 have dedicated entries on both subpages. Note that entries of the first two listed rips described their visual elements:
- “Agent Yoru o Yuku - The Idolm@ster 2” Moment entry
and Music entry
- “Ultra B+K - jubeat plus” Moment entry
and Music entry
- “Ultimate Koopa - Super 64” and “Ultimate Koopa Clear - Super 64” Moment entry
and Music entry
(these are both mentioned in one singular entry on both subpages)
- “I Love Beijing Tiananmen Fusion Collab” Moment entry
and Music entry
This essentially makes Moments an extension of Music with only a few additional general entries on channel-events, Colbert bumps, and other trivia.
Which leads me to this question: Is describing visuals (music video, thumbnail edits, etc…) allowed in Awesome Music?
If yes, then how much is allowed? And in SiIvaGunner’s case, what should be done with Awesome Moments? Should it be reworked to only include trivia and general moments whereas Awesome Music is for specific rips only?
If not, then how should both subpages be reworked and cleaned up? EDIT: I should've clarified: Will the subpages be reworked so that visual elements and trivia are reserved for Moments and music elements are for Music?
Should a cleanup thread be launched? Please advise.
Edited by Duy03openDeath Battle reviews Web Original
It's Death Battle
again. A review by Yukaphile is giving negative opinion on a single episode, it's essentially Dethroning Moment of Suck and according to hidden note in Web Original, it's blacklisted.
While we're on this, is it alright to write a review for single episode out of the whole series? It just doesn't sound right.
Edit. After looking through Yukaphile's edit, they have indentation issue (PMed that), and it look like they don't even watch the episode first before writing that review. So it isn't review, it's complaining.
Edited by KuruniopenTo work on a Franchise page Web Original
This one's kinda a biggie. I'm starting up a Franchise page for SD Gundam and am currently (as of this typing) still creating new pages for some of the works. At the moment the only one helping me with this is Kachi Kirby, who's currently working on the SD Gundam The Last World page. I don't want to overwhelm her with too much work, so I wanted to ask you guys where I could go to ask for assistance on working for trope pages. Also, please don't be afraid to send me multiple and contrasting answers, as they can give me a clearer insight as to what my options are. Like, I know that I could submit the pages under Needs Wiki Magic Love, but that doesn't always work. This would also be helpful to me as I would like to work on more Franchise pages in the future.
openEdit War over image Web Original
Rainbow Dash 23 (edits)
replaced the page image on WebAnimation.Death Battle, and I removed it and brought back the old one because the image change was never discussed. Off Brandicoot (edits)
replaced it with the edit reason "New image was replaced from DEATH BATTLE!". I just sent OffBrandicoot an image change notifier.
openMultiple tropers ignoring warning set in place in NightmareFuel.RWBY Web Original
A few select tropers from the RWBY forum have agreed to maintain the following policy for troping episodes:
[[blockquote]] First Members see episodes 1 week before public release. As a courtesy, please do not trope them for 1 week until they have been released to the general public. Please only trope the episodes that have been released to the general public. For more information, please visit the RWBY Forum thread. [[/blockquote]]
Now, we have extended that rule to a couple of moments pages like Nightmare Fuel in order to prevent rampant misuse, but it appears several tropers did not get the memo and keep re-adding an entry that gjjones and I have removed in accordance with the policy. Can a mod decide on whether or not we should do away with the first-members policy or keep it standing?
openEdit warring troper on RWBY entry Web Original
On Characters.RWBY Creatures Of Grimm, the Winged Humanoid entry was added on Volume 6's finale, then deleted on the grounds that Winged Humanoid does not cover the target character's species (they aren't humanoids, for starters). It was then added back by Donquill
without an edit reason.
There is no discussion to be had here. It is plain misuse of the trope and a disregard for the page's edit history.
openEvillious Chronicles Web Original
I have two questions about mothy's Evillious Chronicles.
1) Does it deserves the Franchise/ namespace? There are a few LightNovel/ entries on this wiki, but it doesn't seem to have the required 3 namespaces. If not, should it goes in WebOriginal/ or elsewhere?
2) Can this be considered a Vocaloid fan work? Or is it in any way official?
open"Sekvu la lumon." Web Original
Anticringe Aktion is deleting valid Battle for Dream Island content and they're only leaving the edit reason "Sekvu la lumon."

So I was trying to cleanup The Stockholms page and I go to fridge page
where I think someone confused Fridge Logic with Headscratcher. Not to mention that they used First-Person Writing. Here's an example:
- In "The Prom Job", which took place at least five months after the hostage situation started, Marley's phone was at 2% battery life. So, I'm guessing that implies she doesn't have a charger in there. I'm sorry, but, you've been in the bank for at least five months and you've used your phone so little that it's still alive? Uh-uh. I don't buy it. Either this is a plot hole or Marlene has been charging her phone and she just let it go to 2% this time cuz she's stupid.
- I’d say since most banks nowadays have charging stations, she probably was just charging it, but let it go to 2%. My guess is that Jasper brought a charger for his phone, but not Marley, meaning they share it.
This look like a huge mess to be honest. Also I tried to find the forum of Fridge Misused but it got locked so that's why I put this right here. Update: Can someone please answer this? It's been yesterday. Edited by Bubblepig