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openAble to recover a deleted page? Web Original
Sorry for a question like this, but I was wondering if there's some way a page could be recovered - possibly through email? (EX: sending edit history) There was a TRG subpage that I've edited many many times over the years and in 2020 I did a complete redux of the page, changing coding and organizing quotes by date/series etc. 80% of the page was my edits and there were also many timestamps which I've now lost and wanted to save for archival + compilation purposes.
I'd hate to lose so much work from the past 5+ years. Is there a way any mod could email me the most recent edit history or something like that? The last time it was archived was in 2019, way before my big redux and there's a lot missing. Here's the page in question: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/HoYay/TheRunawayGuys
openTheReasonYouSuckSpeech and the "commentary community" Web Original
In December 2019, this
discussion in the "Is this an example?" thread led to the removal of all examples on TheReasonYouSuckSpeech.Web Original that involve reviewers bashing works/characters/writers they don't like or that were posted in the form of comments on YouTube videos, etc. In that thread, I noted
that the folder for the "commentary community" that used to be on the page seemed like a bunch of questionably valid examples dripping with drama importation, and everyone there was okay with me cutting them.
But earlier today, I found out that TheReasonYouSuckSpeech.The Commentary Community was made from the deleted examples in May 2020 by Blazing_Larvesta, with the edit reason of "Turning a deleted section into its own article. Really hope I don't wind up clowning myself here..." The examples are still pretty questionable, and they're still taking sides in internet fights, so can I cutlist that page?
Edited by SeracopenOfficial song preview vs. Auto-generated full song Web Original
On AwesomeMusic.Hololive, I added several songs
with pertinent links to their full versions, which were auto-generated by Youtube's algorithm, practically making them official since it's provided by Cover Corp to Youtube. However, endwaar changed them
to the official hololive Youtube account's sneak-peek versions, one of which they already reverted once before. I am awaiting a response from endwaar over the lack of edit reason, which may or may not come given their sporadic editing pattern.
Is there a ruling on this? I fear that endwaar and I have inadvertently engaged in a wordless Edit War on those Youtube links. Their willingness to straight up ignore my 5+ notifiers and keep on editing as if nothing happened also has me concerned.
Edited by AnoBakaDesuopenPolicy on deleted / un-viewable / lost works? Web Original
Do we have a policy on this? If a work exists / existed but is inaccessible for some reason can we make / keep a tropes page on it? There are two scenarios that come to mind:
1 - the work was available and a trope page was created about it but at some point the work stopped being available - withdrawn / deleted / purged etc.
2 - the work was withdrawn / deleted / purged before we made a page about it, but there exists sufficient evidence from secondary sources and direct recollections from people who saw it allowing us to create a page based on those.
For context an example of type 1 is when Natty Comics was deleted from the internet, someone deleted our page on it as it was no longer online, even though we created the page based on the work when it was existent. I had to petition for its reinstatement and provide proof that it had existed before I was able to get the page restored.
So what is our policy on these works?
Edited by Exxolonopen"Executive Decision to Use Official Art" Web Original
I happened to be looking at Puffin Forest and noticed that while a lot of the characters seem to be using images from Puffin's videos, certain characters from pre-existing D&D content use art from D&D books, and one of those images is captioned "This troper made the executive decision to use official art" (judging by the history, the troper in question is Sana Naryon ) Since it looks like those were the initially added images, I assume Image Pickin' would be necessary to change them to pictures of the characters the way they were shown in Puffin's videos, but surely that caption, at least, shouldn't be there.
Edited by AfterwordopenHow do I see the "bytes" of a Tropes page? Web Original
Saw people talking about how a character page needs to have 40k bytes and it has me wondering how do people see the number of bytes?
Also, how many bytes are needed for a page before splitting it?
openLocking Death battle's YMMV Web Original
Recently there has been a troper that has been going onto the Death Battle YMMV page and spreading lies on it related to a certain Death Battle.
The thing is, if this one troper does it, many more will do the same thing. Can we lock the YMMV page on Death battle please? Let only a handful of trusty people edit please? I
openA Review Series that Doesn't Exist and some Possible Self-Promotion Web Original
There is a review series called Movie Dorkness on Agony Booth. The page for it, however, was littered with some references to a so-called ascended fanboy called the "Professor Detective". According to the edits, this person has their own review show and is a fan of the host of Movie Dorkness, and indeed, there's a page for said show. Only the show doesn't exist. The page for Professor Detective mentions a You Tube account, but I found no videos by any user under that name. It mentions a Tumblr, but I found no such Tumblr bearing that name. And to top it all off, the edits done to both pages were done by a user named Professor Detective. I edited out some mentions of the person in the Trivia page for Movie Dorkness, but I'm wondering if this is possible some kind of self-promotion for some anonymous troper?
Edited by AdricDePsychoopenDoes This Violate No Real Life Examples? Web Original
I added an entry into Police Are Useless for The Last Podcast on the Left, but only afterward did I realize that the trope is in the No Real Life Examples, Please! index. I now have two questions: does the following violate NRLEP? If so, do I take it off the works page, too?
- The Last Podcast on the Left:
- The hosts often note times when police ineffectiveness is a major factor in how long a serial killer goes without getting caught. For example, in the Dean Coril series, they note the Huston police were underfunded and understaffed so much that, as a result, they actively avoided investigating things like homicides and shut down a victim's family when they provided a letter written by their missing son that they suspect was faked, but which Missing Persons took as evidence he was no longer missing.
- They also note occasions when a killer was caught by dumb luck or mistakes rather than anything police did. Leonard Lake and Charles Ng, for instance, were only found out when Lake was held for questioning for an act of compulsive shoplifting by Ng, and police never suspected anything serious until Lake killed himself while in custody.
The trope is discussed on the show, but on the context of real life events (which I included so they wouldn't be purely general examples).
If this does violate NRLEP, could I rewrite the example to state that the hosts hold this view and then describe a character they created, Detective Popcorn, as a way to mock them?
Edited by sgamer82open Complain-y edit on Twitter Web Original
With Twitter now doubled their character count to some users (I havn't have that yet as of 2017/10/01), as I was editing the page to tweak out the recent edit from a user named reterusu, I left out this part out of reluctance to remove it and had to consult to you guys about it first:
I think it's more of a Broken Base than a metaphorical shark jump for having 280 characters, (I myself kinda like that idea. 280 is more than enough to add more tags.) but I'll let you think about it more. I intentionally left that sentence because I thought to myself that removing that might start a potential Edit War.
EDIT: Changed some instances of "this troper" to "I to avoid confusion.
EDIT 2: I wasn't being clear here. My bad. The 'this troper' to 'I' edit" was for this thread only.
Edited by alnair20aug93openApplicability Web Original
I was browing the YMMV.The Nostalgia Critic page and noted an entry on applicability.
" Applicability: Autistic fans have welcomed Critic with open arms, with Doug comparing him to similarly coded Peridot, and Home Alone 2 bringing back the cereal special interest, all the nerves from the episode resulting in a meltdown when it's mocked and getting forgiven when he stresses out over thinking he ruined it. Hyper Fangirl has her fair share of Misaimed Fandom, but her most devoted audience are neuroatypical women who relate to her struggles and want to see her get better (without Critic having to forgive her). "
I didn't know what applicability as a trope was until I looked at the Laconic page, but it says "Word of God asks the audience to make up their own mind about the theme." which doesn't seem to fit these examples... and neither do many examples on the applicability page itself.
"Prometheus was designed for Wild Mass Guessing. One moment of Idiot Ball could mean an hour of theorizing behind why it is so. "
"The Day the Earth Caught Fire (1962) was made long before global warming and climate change became big issues, but is still about climate change which has been caused accidentally by technology (simultaneous nuclear tests at the north and south poles change the tilt of the Earth's axis)."
"The Wonderful Wizard of Oz is a case of confusing applicability with allegory. The connection between The Wonderful Wizard of Oz and the then-contemporary American political landscape was not even raised until 1963, when summer school teacher Henry Littlefield, while trying to teach the 1896 Presidential election and the turn-of-the-century Populist movement to bored history students, stumbled upon the idea of using the characters and events of The Wizard of Oz as metaphors to teach the concepts. He and his students made a number of connections - the Scarecrow represented the farmers, the Tin Woodman the factory workers, the Wizard was President Grover Cleveland or Republican presidential candidate William Mc Kinley, the Cowardly Lion was Democratic presidential candidate William Jennings Bryan, the silver shoes were the silver standard, the yellow brick road the gold standard, and so on - and Littlefield eventually wrote an article, "The Wizard of Oz: A Parable on Populism," which was published in the magazine American Quarterly in 1964. You can read this article here. Unfortunately, this was eventually taken to mean that Baum wrote the book as an allegory for the political landscape at the turn of the century despite the fact Littlefield believed Baum had no political agenda when he wrote the book."
" Hans Christian Andersen's The Little Mermaid is open to many allegorical interpretations, as are its various adaptations."
So, what is applicability and are these examples valid/applicable? Should the Laconic page be rewritten?
Edited by lalalei2001openRequesting a cleanup Web Original
SenorCornholio
made a bunch of anti-My Little Pony edits on a several DEATH BATTLE! pages in light of the new episode. I'm unable to revert them for now due to a lack of reliable Internet, so I am requesting a cleanup/revert here.
openDoug Walker subpages Web Original
I saw the TearJerker.Doug Walker page had been recently edited. Since it's a Creator namespace, doesn't that mean they don't get subpages? Should they be cut?
openControversy over HG101 Web Original
Hardcore Gaming 101 got flack over what appears to be targeted harassment against a fan translator
. Should I put this in Overshadowed by Controversy or just avoid it?
openAbridged Series Web Original
Okay, an issue I should have asked about ages ago, but...
Does The Abridged Series examples go in the "Fan Works" folder, or fit better in "Web Videos"?
They had a tendency to be put in "Web Original", which is wrong as it shouldn't be a catch-all folder, and besides abridged series are fan works and thus not "original". But now a distinct "Web Videos" folder is more standard.
Mind you, I've seen them in "Web Animation" too.
openDoes it count as RoleEndingMisdemeanor? Web Original
So I was reading the examples in Role-Ending Misdemeanor web original page and I just happened to find a new example made by Scoutstr 295 which I feel like it doesn't count as a tropes. Here's the example:
- Until July 2020, Shane Farley was a prominent member of the YouTube channel Blind Wave, which is primary known for its Reaction Videos. Then, in a surprise announcement, it was decided that Shane would no longer be participating in the channel due to unspecified reasons, with Shane confirming his departure in a video streamed on Twitch. The other members of Blind Wave haven't gone into detail about what led to Shane leaving, except to stress that he hadn't done anything illegal, that he had undermined their trust by lying to them, and that the decision for him to leave was by mutual agreement (i.e. he wasn't actually fired).
openOverlapping character pages due to misnamed work Web Original
Transformers: War for Cybertron is sharing its character page with the unrelated Transformers: War for Cybertron because someone misnamed the former. The show is actually called Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (also, I'm not sure if it counts as Web Animation if it's a Netflix original, since Castlevania isn't considered web animation, and War for Cybertron calls itself an anime).
Can I move it? And if yes, should it be to Transformers War For Cybertron Trilogy, Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy or Transformers War For Cybertron Trilogy?
openBigNameFan in RoleEndingMisdemeanor Web Original
On 8/2, Not Gonna Do A Lot 4 added the below entry to the Web Original page. I was trimming some of them for not fitting for various reasons, and removed it, citing that Big Name Fan did not seem to be a valid trope to justify that. By that logic, any time any fan of any person does something bad and gets banned or deletes their social media accounts, they would qualify, which sounds silly.
They readded it citing There Is No Such Thing as Notability. Is this a valid justification or should we not allow that? The REM page gets a lot of entries that don't fit as it stands.
- Plussy Knight, a Big Name Fan of YouTuber Alpharad
, deleted his Twitter account after being caught exploiting the COVID-19 Pandemic to fake his own death.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.RWBY
In the article history, bobg edited an edited out paragraph, then spammed with a "we discussed it and agreed" thing, but Rebel Falcon deleted it and then threatened with an accusation of edit warring.