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openSerial complaining by troper on Supermassive game pages Videogame
The troper Ferret Bandit went onto a few of the pages for The Dark Pictures Anthology and added on examples for plot holes. Some of them are wrong, others come off as complaining, and in at least one instance they changed someone else's awesome moment entry, and then went to the Plot Hole page and added over 700 words worth of complaining. A lot of this comes off (to me at least) as complaining and nitpicking and should be cut, but I want some second opinions before completely cutting everything.
Relevant links:
- - Changed an example to say killing an antagonist with a knife was something the game established as impossible, which is untrue
(I already changed this example back)
- Added a second dot level beneath another example with a snarky comment
, violating the Repair, Don't Respond policy
- Deleted the previous PlotHole entry with a snarky comment, then added over 700 words worth of complaining about things that aren't plot holes
- Did the same here
open Unilateral Franchisewide Lumping Videogame
So Veriamo
decided to migrate a bunch of entries from Xenoblade Chronicles 1, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Xenoblade Chronicles X, and Xenoblade Chronicles 3 to aggregate franchise-wide pages many of which don't exist, supposedly in the name of removing clutter. Thing is, this results in an ugly-looking header full of red links, and also I don't think this was done with the approval of other editors, especially considering the forums have brought up that this kind of aggressive mass franchise-wide consolidation is actually causing problems in many cases.
openPlagiarism? Videogame
Doing some wick cleaning and came across Characters.Guild Wars. The writing in the descriptions seemed very detailed and formalized, the kind you'd see in a character guide book, so I googled them and the exact same text can be found on the Guild Wars Wikia. The pages that this impacts are
- Characters.Guild Wars Henchmen
- Characters.Guild Wars Gods
- Characters.Guild Wars Villains
- Characters.Guild Wars Others
I can't be certain which came first, these pages or the wikia, but it definitely seems suspect. I checked the history for these pages and they all were created by Khugol.
openIntroduction for Super Mario Bros Videogame
Troper eulenvulen has changed the introduction for Super Mario Bros. from this:
...to this:
I'm not okay with this. Apart from the fact that this change comes off as blatant advertising for the upcoming movie, most people are already familiar with the iconic Catchphrases of Mario and Luigi.
I ask: why change something that was working just fine? I mean that because I reverted
this change a few days ago, only for eulenvullen to change it again just a few hours ago and he didn't even explain his changes.
Maybe this is personal bias on my part, but I want to hear your thoughts and opinions on this matter, lest this comes off as edit warring.
openSonic 06 YMMV Edit War? Videogame
The Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) page has seen debate over if it counts as Vindicated by History. It mostly seems to be various tropers adding it and ~Trans Fan 180 being the one deleting it consistently. The case for it being that trope seems questionable given that re-evaluation has put it at So Okay, It's Average at best, but is there anything else that needs to be done? I’m thinking a more explicit edit comment where Vindicated by History would go on the page.
Edited by DDRMASTERMopenAvoiding an edit war Videogame
Caman made an edit
in Fridge.Donkey Kong Bananza that I ended up removing
since as it was I wouldn't consider it Fridge, only for them to send me three PMs regarding that and other removals I'd made and put it back
.
I went to the Fridge cleanup thread about it
and ended up removing it
in the interim since the character in question turned out to be alive after all and IMO thus made the entry completely false, which is why I didn't bother linking to the thread when doing so.
Ultimately Caman ended up placing
both that and a separate edit they made I ended up removing
for being IMP speculation back on the page.
openTroping they/them characters Videogame
Characters.Tekken 6 had an edit recently by Longing Snakelet 275 that renamed the Nice Guy trope to "Nice Person". The reason being that the character in question is of Ambiguous Gender, if not outright non-binary, and is referred to by they/them. Lexi reverted it because doing that tropes is technically not allowed, but I'm wondering if the first edit is allowed at all as an exception.
openUser keeps miscapitalizing nouns Videogame
Hello. A user named gahpaxwelo
has been editing the character pages at The New Order: Last Days of Europe, where the majority of his edits have been dedicated to "Spelling/grammer fix(es)". However, there has been a recurring error where this user has been incorrectly capitalizing certain nouns, such as "fascism" to "Fascism" or "socialism" to "Socialism". One example of such can be found here
.
I tried to send a PM to this user about the error, but they have ignored my message and repeated the same mistake on multiple pages, such as in this edit here
. Does anyone have any suggestions of how this issue can be resolved?
openUnreleased game may have turned into Vaporware? Videogame
Two years ago, I created a page for the upcoming game A Frog's Tale. At the time, it seemed like development of the game was progressing well. Unfortunately, things don't look good at this point. The release date on Steam is still "to be announced" and one comment on a review mentioned that the developers haven't posted on their Twitter in a year. Most importantly, the game's official website has expired and no longer works. It seems very unlikely that this game will ever come out now. My question is, what should be done about the page? Should it be kept?
Edited by BluethornopenEdit war on WMG Videogame
I don't like using ATT to tell on people or anything, but Shinobi has been making edits that have been frustrating to me.
There are multiple lists on WMG.Marvel Rivals for people to speculate or predict characters and so forth, including specific details about those predictions. And then when it's confirmed, Shinobi has simply just been deleting the predictions instead of marking them as confirmed like other WMG. So for example, a new map just got added to the game, so I saw it was removed from the list. I thought instead to create a separate section for "confirmed maps" where it could go instead. Shinobi then deleted that without a reason, so I re-added it with the appropriate edit reason. They then deleted it again with this comment:
- Not the format confirmed stuff seems to be handled. Again, this shouldn't require explanation.
TBF, maybe I did botch the formatting with it. But still this trend of just deleting and adding things with no explanation, which is something most of their contributions to the page amount to, is just starting to get on my nerves more over time. And while not the main point here, there's also been instances where they've tried removing other ppl's specific predictions and replace them with their own, which I just see as rude more than anything.
Edited by IkeaHanopenDeleting YMMV Videogame
Alley Oop has a tendency to delete YMMV tropes from Xenoblade Chronicles 3 and Xenoblade Chronicles 3: Future Redeemed if they personally disagree with them. I'd hash it out elsewhere but they gave an edit reason that raised an eyebrow.
I don't remember there
being a rule about not troping audience reactions allegedly from a specific part of a fanbase. Am I right in thinking that's not the case?
openFanon discontinuity and other flamebait Videogame
Recently on the YMMV page for Dragon Age: The Veilguard an example under fanon discontinuity was added that mostly comes off as editorializing, with the post even speculating spitefulness on the part of the developers.
A major problem I have with this is that literally the same thing happened to the last two games in the series, with them inspiring massive amounts of people writing them off as discontinuity (and the attempt to pretend such didn't happen is frankly disingenuous). Veilguard has had a contentious reception well before it was released and I feel like it's going to inspire much edit warring among other things.
I know having no such thing as notability is something that comes into play here, but literally anyone can make an edit with weasel words like "many are saying" to make it seem like it's a more commonly held opinion than it is. This is a problem I've noticed across the site. So in the interest of fairness, I say either ax the entry or apply it to the previous two games as well. Regardless, I think the whole complaining about the developers "spiting players" should go in any event.
openAward Snub Validity Videogame
Back in November I added
an Award Snub entry for Dragon Age: The Veilguard, having noticed that a sizable portion of the fanbase was disappointed that it hadn't been nominated for certain categories at the 2024 Game Awards, with the entry specifically mentioning the game getting snubbed for Best RPG, Best Art Direction
, and Game of the Year, and Gareth David-Lloyd's performance
as Solas getting snubbed for Best Performance, as those were the categories that kept coming up when talking about where the game got snubbed.
However, almost a month later, the troper, Fishysaur, removed
Best Art Direction and Game of the Year from the entry, saying that there were people who didn't want the game to be nominated for those categories, as if that somehow invalidates their inclusion in the entry despite Award Snub being a YMMV trope, meaning not everyone has to agree with the entry for it to be valid. I would add those categories back, but as I'm the one who added the entry in the first place, that would be edit warring, so I was hoping that by bringing this here, I’d be able to get the go-ahead to add those categories back to the entry.
On a related note, a few days ago an Acclaimed Flop entry was added on the game's trivia page, I added
that the game has been reviewed generally positively by audiences, as the game has generally positive user review scores on Steam
, PSN
, and Xbox
, where you need to have played the game in order to review it...
Only for Fishysaur to remove
what I added and then claim
that audience reception is mixed, despite the fact that I had already explained to them when they PM'd me over my deletion of the game's Critical Dissonance entry that, outside of Metacritic where the user score got review-bombed to hell and back, the game has generally been reviewed positively by users.
What's strange about this is that after I explained this to Fishysaur back then, they actually ended up agreeing with me, so I'm not sure why they've gone back to claiming that the game's audience reception is mixed.
Edited by CorvusIXopenShould this be restored? Videogame
I was checking Wide-Open Sandbox and discovered a glaring omission. I checked history and found that SeaMonkey851 removed it last year
with the edit reason "The other wiki doesn't say it's a wide open sandbox." The problem? The removed entry was the entire Grand Theft Auto series which the description identifies as the Trope Codifier. So should this be restored?
If so, can Grand Theft Auto VI be added to the list?
openAdding examples to unreleased works without citations Videogame
Samz added some examples in VideoGame.Call Of Duty Black Ops 6 that I commented out for lacking citations, and one also being a Zero-Context Example, only for them to remove
the commenting out.
I sent them a PM about it and had a brief exchange, but judging by this edit
made afterwards they don't really understand the issue.
openContentious edit for Silksong/Edit War(?) Videogame
Bringing this ATT over here since this has been ongoing for a little bit.
It seems like the main page for Hollow Knight: Silksong has been having an issue with a troublesome Does This Remind You of Anything? example that keeps getting re-added and then removed. I wasn't sure if this technically counts as an edit war since it's been a different person and a new writeup every time, but since it's now on the 3rd time it's happened I was told to go ahead and make this.
Pardon if I mess up formatting here, making an ATT this wordy is new to me.
the initial example
was added by VR 456, and then removed a day later
by Evillisa, citing it was YMMV or WMG since it was hard to pin that this was Team Cherry's intent with the questline.
It was then re-added with new wording
by MissRoboto a few days later. Since this was the second time, I brought it up in the trope's long term thread
where it was agreed it should be cut due to the wording seeming like it was making it a Square Peg, Round Trope and did so
.
And then the third edit
done on Oct 13th by karmiki, again with new wording, before being removed
by Cure Magica on the 22nd, citing like the first removal that the example is probably better fitting for WMG due to lack of stated intent by Team Cherry and not fitting well since it results in a power up (It was brought up in the cleanup thread again and I took note of it but life got busy so I wasn't able to make this any sooner).
I don't believe any notifiers were sent, since it was different people every time and enough of a gap between dates for it to have just gone missed since Silksong has been pretty high-traffic, and I wasn't sure if this is actually an edit war, but three cycles of this seems like it may, at the very least, need a note at the top of the page.
Edited by NaraNumasopenHighly questionable addition to YMMV/TheLionKing Videogame
So, uh... this was recently added to The Lion King:
- Nausea Fuel: Distrubingly, the NES version was found to have references to pedophilia with both a hidden difficulty setting (BOY LOVE, a term used by pro-pedophilia groups in the 1990s), and quotes from The Bible that are much Worse with Context.
There's no links to any articles, or anything like that in it, and this looks like something that probably needs sources, amongst other issues.
openYMMV deletion Videogame
On YMMV.Total War Warhammer III, Oneofthepack deleted a large chunk of the page with an edit reason that just says "There's no reason for this entry to be this long."
I don't really think that's a valid reason to delete YMMV content.
Thoughts? I haven't restored the entries.
openValid BrokenBase? Videogame
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.GuiltyGearStrive
Someone added a Broken Base entry to the Guilty Gear Strive page, and I have some concerns about it. TLDR; recently the game reintroduced a long-time fan-favorite, Bridget, and had her come out as trans (we've seen several people start shit over this here on the site). I'm a bit uneasy with the notion that this is a matter of "community divisiveness"; the people perpetuating the conflict came from a very transphobic angle including trying to discredit the creator's word on the character's identity. This isn't really the same kind of conflict as say fans debating a gameplay mechanic.

Elden Ring has an edit war with Fudget Muppet readding the Even Better Sequel entry that was deemed misuse
with the note “Stop vandalizing the site”. I also saw someone remove the Porting Disaster entry for the PC version because it’s apparently “Not a port” (by that logic the catastrophic versions of Cyberpunk 2077 on Xbox One and Playstation 4 aren’t ports). I readded it as such because the PC version is currently being savaged for technical issues.
Edited by TheLivingDrawing