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openNo Title Music
Does In Da Club only apply to music videos and not the songs themselves? If it only is, it should either be expanded in definition, or a sister trope should be made, because many songs deal are about nightclubs without having a video matching the same subject (contrast Nicki Minaj's "Pound the Alarm" song, which incorporates the elements of the club into the lyrics, and then the video, which is set in a Trinidad festival instead).
Also, there's the Exhort the Disc Jockey Song, but that's narrow in definition.
openNo Title Music
How do I redirect to the music namespace without doing full page name?
I'm trying to clean up the redirects on X Japan and its members' pages, but there are two problems here.
First is a basic potholing issue - let's say, I want to put X Japan and have it as a pothole from "one of the first Visual Kei bands" with the text showing as "one of the first Visual Kei bands" with the pothole.
The second issue is related: I want Hideto Matsumoto to show up as "hide" in most articles. How do I do that without creating a redirect on the article itself (I can only imagine what a problem for the wiki having that redirect might be... since obviously everything that uses the word "hide" is NOT going to be referring to the late X guitarist) and without doing hide which directs to the old "main" article before it was moved to the music namespace. Similarly I want to have Tomoaki Ishizuka as "Pata" in most pages per stage name as standard.
Hopefully someone can help with this and I wasn't too confusing about the issue.
Edited by RevolutionStoneopenNo Title Music
There seems to be some minor back-and-forth / natter by the metric ton here https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/Tara
around Break the Cutie, a trope that is not YMMV and No Real Life Examples at that in the first place.
openNo Title Music
I recently made a page about a band called Man With A Mission, and while looking for tropes to list I found a Precision F Strike in their lyrics. The problem is that the example I wanted to list contains a word ("cum") that isn't exactly family friendly. It's in the page right now, but maybe it's a word a little too strong to be in a Tv Tropes article. Should I remove that example, or can I keep it? Thanks in advance.
Edited by afirmkickopenNo Title Music
The entry for Lyrical Dissonance on the Amanda Palmer page has had an entry changed from "fuck it" to "fruity baskets of puppies it", presumably by censorware due to the grammatical invalidity of the replacement string.
I know once upon a time this sort of thing was being cracked down upon, so I figured I'd report it here. I left the bowdlerized text as-is for the time being.
Looking at the edit history of the troper responsible (mjijm), it looks like they have multiple such edits to their name. Crystal Dragon Jesus was edited to change deity names in an act that mjijm explicitly admitted was bowdlerization.
openNo Title Music
Sorry but I noticed that the redirect I placed on Passion Pit was deleted and the page locked, meaning that when someone searches for passion pit they get the YMMV and blank Main page as a result, instead of Main/ redirecting to the Music/ namespace, and it seems a bit troublesome. No clue why the redirect from main/ was deleted, I'm pretty sure i'm handling redirects right.
openNo Title Music
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Headscratchers/Rap
Complaining and arguing and drama...
openNo Title Music
Got a YKTTW called Sentenced to Down Under
and need an answer on whether or not linking to a music video on You Tube of U2's "Van Diemen's Land" is permissible. DracMonster and I think it is but the sponsor feels iffy.
openNo Title Music
Is it OK to do a Self-Demonstrating Article when it would fit the topic very well?
The reason I'm asking is that I want to make SEIKIMA-II not a redlink but a valid article about the band and tropes relating to it. I think self-demonstrating would work INCREDIBLY well here, since a huge part of SEIKIMA-II and its fandom was/is their "legend" and "mythos" about being demons from the moon who landed upon the earth.
Point being, would it be too Fan Myopia to write the article as self-demonstrating *if* as well as self-demonstrating it was accessible? I think that some hybrid of self-demonstrating + accessible is actually the only way a workable article could be made about them because they were one of the few Visual bands *never* to break character until their disbandment. (In fact, to this day, no one knows the lead singer's birth name at all - just his stage names of "His Excellency Demon Kogure" / "Demon Kakka.")
Also, the case of the page needs to be fixed for SEIKIMA-II to read Music/SEIKIMA-II.
openNo Title Music
Arr, There be a thread on Wiki Talk asking for approval for the split of the Vocaloid Character pages and I wanted to know which forum that can allow crowners would be appropriate for that topic? (Ether only the captains (Mods) can add crowners or Wiki Talk doesn't allow crowners)
Edited by MorningStar1337openNo Title Music
I'm looking over at the Justin Bieber YMMV page, and sure enough people are still using it to bash the guy.
openNo Title Music
josephwilson keeps making weird cuts to Amy Winehouse. History here
. He also seems to seriously not understand the meaning of a LOT of YMMV items if his edit reasons are to be believed.
openNo Title Music
Links to State Fair show up as red links, even though the article does exist. How can this be fixed?
Edited by dsneybufopenNo Title Music
So I'm curious about something.
If someone real claims he was involved in a Scam Religion, is that "in universe" enough to mention on the person's page as a trope? As in, the person involved in it, himself, denounced it as a scam to the point of having an outright press conference to beg people not to join it and announce his lawsuit against it? Of course, I'm not saying listed as an objective trope at all, but just to list the trope, with the trope description being something like "Scam Religion: Invoked Trope: Person left religion claiming that it was a scam, sued it for fraud, and requested no one buy or pay attention to his works created for it. (Citation here)"
The reason I'm asking is because it's a limited circumstance, and it's not saying objectively that the religion involved (no, it's not Happyology, or a mainstream religion btw) is a scam, it's saying that to the person involved, he felt that it changed his life much for the worse and he felt that it was a scam that took his money and labor and time, to the point that he felt compelled to write at least one song about his experience leaving, file suit, etc. Nor am I seeking to list it as an example on the Scam Religion page itself.
(ninja'd)
Edited by RevolutionStoneopenNo Title Music
Does a rule of thumb exist about usage of TGWTG quotes on the pages of works they reviewed? Imagine Dragons had one that made less sense out of context than in context, so I tried to remove it, but then someone put a longer version of it on.
openNo Title Music
Does a Sliding Scale that's pretty much Just for Fun have to go through YKTTW? Asking because I want to make a "sliding scale of Visual Kei androgyny," concept being that 0 is Visual Kei artists that entirely avert the scene's androgyny (e.g. Pata or J) to 5 being those that are actual cross-dressers and perfectly passable as what they look to anyone who is new to the scene (e.g. Mana or Hizaki)
Reason I'm asking is I'm afraid it will sink in YKTTW without getting enough hats due to lack of being something connected to, say, Doctor Who or Kill La Kill or My Little Pony, and it would be kind of an interesting and fun thing, especially with the Small Reference Pools idea of visual as "every boy looks like a girl and every girl looks like a boy," to illustrate that there's actually a wide variety of looks within the scene
Edited by RevolutionStoneopenNo Title Music
Thanks to Eddie's new spiffy tool
, I realized that the Music/ namespace is one big mess page type-wise.
A lot of the articles are tagged as "creator", which is expressively against the description in Administrivia.Namespace.
Worse, a few are tagged "trope
", "subpage
" or "usefulnote
".
This needs a clean-up, but I'm not too sure how to go about it. Should the useful notes be moved to the UsefulNotes/ namespace? The trope ones stay in Music/, but become works? The subpages moved entirely elsewhere?

Does Surprisingly Gentle Song apply only to rock bands? The Lady Gaga entry there seems out of place.
Edited by chihuahua0