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openDouble Standards: Abuse--female on male Live Action TV
I recently checked on the Double Standards: Abuse: female on male—Live Action TV section to find what I felt was an extremely clear-cut example of the trope removed.
The example was Season 6 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Specifically, Buffy's treatment of Spike in the season being behaviour that would be considered pretty unambiguously abusive had she been a man and he a woman; constant put-downs, sexual aggression, dehumanization, and a full on beat-down that left him with an injured face for multiple episodes, etc. By the end of the season or the show, Buffy's never truly held to account for that abusive behaviour—it's never even ever called abuse and the effects it may have had on Spike is completely unexamined. I would say this is a fairly clear case of Double-Standards on abuse.
The example was apparently removed with the reasoning that Buffy beats up vampires of both sexes but I find this to be inadequate. The example wasn't citing random action scenes where Buffy and Spike fights, or even fights against Spike that Buffy wins. It was specifically talking about when the two of them were sexual partners, essentially "boyfriend/girlfriend" and Buffy's behaviour during this time, so I don't think the reasoning justifies the removal at all. Am I okay to add the example back? I don't want to be in an editing war.
Also: If there's a cleanup thread for this trope, I'd be happy to be directed to it. Seems there's a ton of examples being removed at once.
openPotential agenda-based editing on LiveActionTV\KillingEve pages Live Action TV
The troper Rm 74 has been misuing For the Evulz and Face–Heel Turn on the Killing Eve pages. I've deleted all of them as they are stating things that aren't true, and creating this entry just in case it escalates to an edit war.
While it's on an unrelated page, their edit reason on YMMV.No Time To Die was quite aggressive towards another troper.
Edited by ShaokenopenKwan Ha = Scrappy? Live Action TV
We return once again
to the wondrous world of Halo (2022) to talk about Kwan Ha. She was registered as The Scrappy under the following argument:
"Kwan Ha was supposed to be an Audience Surrogate for the audience of this series based on the popular Halo games and she was given a tragic back story in order to make her into an interesting and sympathetic character. However, she is slowly becoming disliked by the audience, due to her abrasive and disrespectful temperament. Even in-universe, some of the characters barely tolerate Kwan’s attitude."
I had to delete the entry because it seemed like a knee-jerk reaction and I felt that we should wait 6 months after the end of season 1 until we can make an informed decision about her. What do you say?
open "Walt Jr. Is a R*t*rd' Live Action TV
From Breaking Bad's meme page:
- "Walt Jr Is A Retard", has recently become a meme, with fans jokingly pointing to his cerebral palsy inflicted speech impediment as proof of his mental deficiency.
I don't care if it's a meme. That's pretty fucking horrible. Remove?
(This was added in 2013 btw, it could also be a Discredited Meme for being ablist since I haven't heard anyone say this anywhere and since the R word is now considered a slur in most circles)
Edited by supernintendo128openEdit conflict over Bury Your Gays Live Action TV
Did some editing the other day on The Orville S3E09 - "Domino", among other things
moving an entry for Bury Your Gays to the more specific Gay Guy Dies First.
A couple days ago
, Mr Waterproof re-added a stripped-down (and grammatically poor) version of the same Bury Your Gays example. Changing it back would now constitute an edit war on my part, so, opinions?
openGlee - LONG recap pages Live Action TV
I was browsing and found that the page Glee S 4 E 1 The New Rachel was incredibly long (~3000 words before you get to the trope list). The Glee S 4 E 2 Britney 2.0 page is about 2700 words. I checked a couple other Glee recaps, and they seem to be about as long.
Aren't the recaps supposed to be much shorter than that? It almost looks like a liveblog instead of a recap. (I've never seen Glee, so if it does need clean-up, I wouldn't know what to do.)
openClarification On This Live Action TV
From Mean Character Nice Actor Live Action TV
- Mark Pellegrino has pretty much built his career on playing assholes that include abusive husbands, Jacob and Lucifer. In real life, he is a devout christian and family man who comes across as very sweet, relaxed, funny and very appreciative of fans.
But from Wikipedia:
- Pellegrino was born in Los Angeles, California. He is an adherent of Objectivism, a philosophy created by Russian-American writer Ayn Rand.[4] Pellegrino does not identify as a libertarian. Though he considers this description to be the closest to his political views, he considers libertarianism to be an anarchist political ideology and has distanced himself from this ideology, describing himself solely as an Objectivist, stating that he sees a place for government in society.[5][6][7][8] He has described his political views, instead, as classical liberalism,[9] and has also described himself as a radical capitalist.[6] He is married to Tracy Aziz and is the stepfather of her daughter Tess.[10]
- Pellegrino is an atheist.[11]
Did someone pull the bit about him being a Christian out of their ass, or has renounced faith at some point?
Edited by shoboni
Reading tropes such as You Know What You Did
openCharacters/OnceUponATime Live Action TV
Seems Sonofaphrodite was looking to split the page for Once Upon a Time between the main cast characters and the rest of the core characters, but didn't get around to finishing the job. Could we get a reversion or fix please?
Edited by tsstevensopenMultiple Idiot ball edits and YMMV/TheFlash2014S4E10TheTrialOfTheFlash Live Action TV
Regarding an idiot ball edit . I removed it once as it seemed stated that Barry was stupid for refusing reveal his identity. Therefore due to his stupidity was unsympathetic. When a ) he gave valid and justified reasons why he wouldn't. The safety of his friends and family b ) various criminals have escaped before Killer Shark and Peekaboo so if they knew who he was his family would be targeted c ) As said to Iris he and the others would be constantly on the run and d) Noone in the Arrow verse has a publicly outed themselves for the same reason. Also it looks like another attempt to label Barry with a what an idiot or idiot ball trope for not revealing his identity. Despite those tropes were deleted for not applying to Barry's case. I have deleted it once. As has another troper. But it has returned either as unintentionally unsympathetic or what an idiot . The argument is the same that Barry is stupid for not revealing himself. However Barry made plain WHY. The same reason no one in the Arrow verse secret ID is public. Safety of friends and family.
Not only from Metas but everyday criminals he put away.
Not only that as a CI working for the Police any case worked and convicted could lead to hundreds of mistrials as Barry reveal as a vigilante could give grounds of conflict of interest. Basically the trope is calling him an idiot for not taking an action that could not be taken realistically
I want to remove the trope but that would be edit warring. Put it up for discussion but nothing.
Edited by Tuvokopen Revert needed on https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fridge/GameOfThronesS8E5TheBells ? Live Action TV
The troper Revolutionary_Jack re-added an example to https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fridge/GameOfThronesS8E5TheBells
. The example stated that Danerys rampage was not a rampage but a cold, pragmatic military move on her part. I remove it as it has been confirmed by https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod
that it was not a planned move, or a tactical one but a spontaneous one. Which one could tell by the look of frustration and anger on her face. This has been verified multiple times including https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/13/18617844/game-of-thrones-got-season-8-hbo-final-the-bells-daenerys-targaryen-kings-landing-massacre-recap
. Which is why I originally removed it. The fridge moment was disproven by what actually happened .
It was added with the reasoning in the example:
While the showrunners have claimed that Daenerys' actions were totally spontaneous, some of her speeches and actions that we see before the attack (such as her saying "let it be fear" to Jon, and telling Tyrion that her mercy is to "future generation", while also talking cryptically to Grey Worm about a signal) show a certain amount of pre-meditated calculation on her part, i.e. while the decision to act on it might have been made late, she did contemplate and think about the ramifications. On a certain level, Daenerys' actions have a Tywin-esque cold-blooded logic to it since it achieves the eradication and neutralization of all her external (Cersei, Euron, the Golden Company) and internal threats (Jon Snow, Sansa, Tyrion):
Normally I would contest this in discussion. But besides being a possible edit war the fact remains it was re-added on a fridge page. A fridge page is “ the real purpose behind the plot”. The real purpose has been stated by those responsible behind the show. While it is possible to guess to why she acted why she did. That’s what WMG is for. The re-adding seems like an attempt to change what was a temper tantrum and ascent into madness into some sort of brilliant and brutal tactical move. Reversion needed?
Edited by TuvokopenYMMV/TheFlash2014S3E23FinishLine Live Action TV
broman29 removed the Catharsis Factor and He Really Can Act entries from YMMV.The Flash 2014 S 3 E 23 Finish Line without an edit reason back in April and removed an example of what I think is Author's Saving Throw with the edit reason of "It was a disappointment" an hour ago. They've been messaged, I just wanted to put this here for posterity.
Edited by Crossover-EnthusiastopenAre magazine scans content leaks? Live Action TV
Wall of text warning; necessary background for the title question incoming.
A troper recently added an example from episode 30 of Kamen Rider Zero-One to its Tear Jerker subpage. The problem is, episode 30 hasn't aired yet (and won't until April 5th JST), with its only available information being a line of text in a magazine related to TV Asahi, which contains its official summary.
For those unfamiliar with Toei's works, they tend to spill the beans on upcoming plot details early through various magazines like the one above and Terebi-kun, with spoilers involving new toys being front and center while other details being off to the side, but still providing enough information to get the ball rolling on some major spoilers.
These magazine scans are spoilery enough and sufficiently removed from international audiencesnote until, of course, they get put on the Internet that /r/KamenRider treats them as full leaks and require spoiler tags with non-indicative post titles.
Which leads me to the main question I'm asking here: Is troping based on scans like these troping with leaks/datamines, and thus grounds for removal?
openDoes this Violate ROCEJ Live Action TV
I have found a couple of examples at Fauda of entries for tropes which I believe come from unreliable sources, but I have not cut them from the YMMV page, as I am not sure if they should stay.
The tropes are as follows:
- What Do You Mean Its Not Political: The show has not escaped any troubles with most people who belittle Hisham Suleiman 'cause he's a Palestinian
while having Double Standard with Lior Raz due to his military service.
- The Woobie: Doron, who was trying to settle down and live a normal life away from the military. It also helps that most of the PTSD scenes were also based on his actual experience after he got discharged.
Trope 1 is less of an example than a link to a website called Mondoweiss with CLEAR Anti-Israel Bias, and I believe said link violates the rule of cautious editing judgement.
The second is an unapproved Woobie entry.
What should I do?
Edited by SkyCat32openEditWar Live Action TV
The troper buihuuduyet has re-added an example to the Ymmv page of https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.GameOfThronesS8E5TheBells&more=t
For Internet Backdraft that he added but got deleted. Even ignoring that the whole defending a character torching a populated area is just odd. There's no way that should be in Internet Backdraft as I have not found anyone defending this on the internet. They'll agree it was badly written but way out of line.
openHow to handle mid-season character name changes? Live Action TV
In the Chilling Adventures of Sabrina there is a character who uses one name in Part 1 and then uses another for Part 2. This change is accompanied by the character informing the others that he identifies as male, and this is accepted by them.
My question is how to handle the change in the show's character page. Should the name and pronouns be changed across all entries? Should the entries referring to the trope examples in Part 1 retain the female name and pronouns? Should a blanket spoiler warning for Part 1 be placed at the top and all entries updated to the male name and pronouns?
openThunderbolt Fantasy Character Names Live Action TV
Is there a reason our pages on Thunderbolt Fantasy aren't using the official romanised names for the characters? Both the official Crunchyroll subtitles and all the English-language publicity pieces I've seen are quite consistent.
openDoes this example qualify as ItAmusedMe? Live Action TV
Many episodes of Cutthroat Kitchen feature sabotages that are blatantly nothing but busy work that act as time sinks. One sabotage is looking through a bowl of grains of rice for the one that has been colored black. Alton says, "This serves no culinary purpose other than to amuse me."
openSitcom Character Archetypes Live Action TV
All of the examples on the Sitcom Character Archetypes page appear to be Zero-Content Examples. Is there a reason for this that I'm missing?
Edited by indigoJayopenIs this trope listing ignoring the cultural context of the work? Live Action TV
The Father Ted page lists this trope:
Artistic License – Law: In "The Mainland", Mrs Doyle makes reference to a robbery involving one of her friends. Ted asks her if the robbers took much, showing that he knows the correct definition of a robbery, but then it becomes apparent that she thinks "robbery" and "kidnapping" are the same thing ("she was robbed, they stole her"), when in fact they are not.
This is kind of ignoring that this is how rural Irish people talk, and twee old women like Mrs. Doyle use these words interchangeably. (Also, Mrs Doyle is just a housekeeper, not a practitioner of law) Is this still a correct use of the trope?
I'm a bit confused, thank you in advance.
Edited by JudyMoody

Troper StrangeBro
added a Narm entry on YMMV.The Book Of Boba Fett which read:
- Narm: The Chase Scene in "The Streets of Mos Espa" was mocked for its apparent sluggishness, obvious and jarring green-screening, and out-of-place tone (fans observed that a bunch of Cyborg Scooter Riding Mods on gleaming, color-coded "space Vespas" would be more at home in Spy Kids than Star Wars).
Which I removed since it was added a few hours after the episode aired, and it was too early to say. Later the opinion on it started to shift as it was revealed to be an homage to earlier George Lucas' works like American Graffiti, and the claim that "it doesn't belong in Star Wars" was mocked in turn as ignorant. Now StrangeBro has re-added it with no discussion, which brings it into Edit War territory. Edited by matruz