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openSomething odd on a YMMV page… Film
So I just checked in on the YMMV page for Thor: Love and Thunder, and all the tropes that were there got replaced with one for And The Fandom Rejoiced, which I don’t think is supposed to be there yet. Plus I looked at the page history and it got completely wiped out except for that one trope. EDIT: And now I found out that it’s on the cut list and the one who put it there, Tropers/dangerdan97 is the one who made the one trope on the page.
Edited by BigBadShadow22openTroper re-added What An Idiot, which is now Flame Bait Film
I was reading the YMMV.Atonement page, and I saw, via the Edit History, that Ordeaux26
re-added What An Idiot back to the page, even though that trope — both its main page and its Darth Wiki page — is now Flame Bait. And per definition, Flame Bait tropes should never be added to any page here.
AmuckCricetine deleted the What An Idiot items in January and explained in their Edit Reason that What An Idiot is now Flame Bait. See here
.
Ordeaux26 added it back in, last month (in March), with no Edit Reason. See here
.
Due to its Flame Bait status now, do I have permission to re-delete the entries? I didn't want to touch anything, since I didn't want to start an Edit War. I didn't add the What An Idiot entries in the first place, but still, I want to be sure and have some feedback first.
Edited by mouschilightopen Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers, Peter Pan and Bobby Driscoll Film
There's some controversy online about Peter Pan in Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers (2022) not only having an uncomfortable amount of parallels to Bobby Driscoll who is already on the Harsher in Hindsight example of Peter Pan's YMMV...
- Harsher in Hindsight: Peter Pan's line "Once you've grown up, you can never come back". Peter Pan's voice actor Bobby Driscoll, who had gone through puberty by the time of the film's release, was cast out of Disney and never came back to the glory he once had when he was a kid. Not to mention he died at only 31, not really getting the chance to live a full life.
...and the fact Peter Pan (or Sweet Pete) is a villain that chooses Redemption Rejection. I feel this is something to note but not sure how it could be included on the page or if it should be included on the page.
(Example of Controversy)
https://twitter.com/2nd_quick/status/1527697060467773442?cxt=HHwWhMC42byYvLMqAAAA
openQuestionable edits on Horrible Live Action Films Film
The latest updates on Horrible.Live Action Films 0 To F by Idiosyncratic have some issues. There's a bit of changing Commonwealth spellings to American ("colour" to "color" and "humour" to "humor"), removal or addition of hyphens in certain word pairs, and addition, removal, or changing certain words to make the sentences not make sense. However, there were several other edits he made that fixed spelling and grammar errors. Edit here:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Horrible.LiveActionFilms0ToF#edit29417525
By the way, I feel like I've made this report before.
openDesignated Hero and Villain in Wonder Woman 1984 Film
The YMMV page of Wonder Woman 1984 places both Wonder Woman and the Cheetah as Designated Hero and Villain, respectively, under the following arguments:
- Designated Hero: At its worst, the film makes Steve Trevor out to be more of a heroic figure than Diana herself, particularly where it comes to Steve's situation. From using the body of the "Handsome Man" for sexual activity without any ability to consent (which is sexual assault and/or rape) to her reluctance to ever let this nameless man have his own life back instead of keeping Steve possessing him, she is rather selfish overall, with it being Steve insisting on her going to save the world from catastrophe. Much like the prior film chronologically, she only allows someone or something she truly desires to leave when the object of desire itself says so while telling of her heroism, showing that if she actually has a possible penalty to her actions personally on an emotional level, she would more likely not suffer said consequences at the expense of the world unless forced to.
- Designated Villain: Barbara's wish to be like Diana is completely understandable given her circumstances. She's overlooked by almost everyone at work despite her positive qualities such as her sweetness and her knowledge. She had to rely on Diana to save her from a rapist, with the only lesson said rapist learned from the encounter was that Barbara was powerless on her own. Steve then tells Barbara and Diana that anyone who made a wish on the stone must renounce it regardless of their reasons for making the wish. Diana agrees with Barbara that they just can't do that; they are both reluctant to renounce their wishes. It doesn't help that Barbara's wish is corrupting her mind, while Diana's own wish is for reasons that seem frivolous in the big picture (see Designated Hero). Adding to all of this is that Barbara's less-sympathetic moments only ever kicked in during moments when selfishness would be a natural reaction. For what it's worth, Diana never sees Barbara as a villain and keeps trying to reason with her; Barbara momentarily stops attacking Diana on seeing the latter renounced her wish.
Okay, I have to ask, are these arguments valid? I did watch the movie, personally I believe these arguments to be flawed. The movie goes out of its way to make Wonder Woman realize it's selfish of her to keep her wish, especially because of the price she has to pay. As for Cheetah, she she never visibly renounces her wish even after seeing the consequences the collective wishes of humanity are having on the entire world.
I know that YMMV pages are meant to be opinionated, but it looks like there are people who using this particular YMMV page to voice their grievances with this movie and I would like to remind everyone that TV Tropes and the Internet are not your personal echo chambers you can use to say whatever you want and not expect any consequences.
So, what do you think?
Edited by MasterHeroopenUnnecessary/incorrect deleting and example trimming Film
Troper rva98014 has made edits on two pages that unnecesarily trim down good examples and delete valid examples. Multiple people in the past have had a problem with this troper ruining their edits. I apologise if I am being picky. Here are the edits:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=WesternAnimation.TheIncredibles#edit30749840
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=WesternAnimation.TheIncredibles#edit30748625
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=WesternAnimation.TheIncredibles#edit30748587
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Characters.TheIncredibles#edit30748527
openProblematic entry Film
The YMMV page for the Black Panther film has the following entry under Alternate Character Interpretation:
- Is Killmonger a Death Seeker? Besides refusing medical help after his defeat, he always chooses the self-destructive path. He kills his girlfriend and burns the sacred garden, implying that he isn't interested in having an heir or leaving a legacy for himself even though he's a prince with a legitimate claim to the throne. Furthermore, despite having the skills and connections, Killmonger also chose not to follow a more heroic career like becoming a costumed vigilante, entering politics or starting his own company, thus denying himself the chance to help others and live a life of luxury without the needless deaths. The fact that Killmonger pursues self-defeating atrocities implies that he doesn't care about what happens to himself so long as everyone experiences his suffering. This only makes his evil plan more horrifying in hindsight, since it amounts to a murder-suicide as he intentionally wants millions of innocent lives to die alongside him.
The idea that Killmonger is a Death Seeker may be a valid interpretation, but the entry doesn't make its case very well. Most of what it says simply applies to villains in general not using their skills in a better way, and while Killmonger may be willing to die if necessary, he doesn't seem to see his cause as self-destructive. The specific examples the entry cites don't support this either (burning the garden does not affect his ability to have children, and killing his girlfriend was done in order to kill Klaue, which his entire plan depended on). The last sentence seems especially problematic, as it states this interpretation as though it were fact.
Edited by Javertshark13openScript vs. Manual Film
Editor Artists Anomalous, on Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, has removed an All There in the Script example to meld it into All There in the Manual, with the edit reason "makes no sense to group additional info from the novelisation under two different tropes".
Problem is, I believe that's exactly what All There in the Script and All There in the Manual are supposed to be about. Can I get a confirmation before reverting this edit without being accused of edit-warring?
openDoes the Blood and Ice Cream Trilogy page need a rename? Film
The page for director Edgar Wright's thematic trilogy of films starring Simon Pegg and Nick Frost (Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz, and The World's End) is titled the Blood and Ice Cream Trilogy. The thing is, from what I've gathered that name's fallen out of favour. Many film fans now call it the Three Flavours Cornetto Trilogy, or just the Cornetto Trilogy for short. It's listed as such on Wikipedia
, and it even got its own logo with that title in this
official promotional video for The World's End. With that in mind (and given it only has 58 wicks and an unused redirect with that name) would it be fine to move it to that title instead?
openYMMV.RogueOne Film
Tropers.Mea Jae 97 added a questionable example to YMMV.Rogue One that's a video link with a timestamp talking about a random person's view on the film. I know there's No Such Thing As Notability but it's....not notable. Their The Emoji Movie edits also have this issue, but I wasn't sure what edit issue it fell under since 'weblinks are not examples' isn't on the list.
"* Contested Sequel: It's another Star Wars film, what did you expect? A refreshing change of pace for focusing on how Muggles Do It Better, showing the brutality of the early Rebellion, going Black-and-Gray Morality, and addressing many of David Brin's and Chris Avellone's criticisms of the franchise, or franchise. Or is it a joyless slog with an underbaked cast of characters, some hamhanded attempts to shoehorn Oscar Bait tropes into a Star Wars film, and a Kill Em All ending that subverts the whole Muggles Do It Better concept so that the cast really are nothing more than Red Shirts? GeekyGlassesTV
claimed that the attempts to break away from Black-and-White Morality were indecisive and quickly forgotten.
"
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=MeaJae97
openWiseoung-5 Film
Wiseoung -5
added a Complete Monster entry to Maze Runner: The Death Cure. I removed the example leaving an edit reason explaining that Complete Monster entries need to be approved by the clean-up thread.
They have ignored this and re-added the example back.
openCharacter-Bashing Edit in Civil War YMMV Page Film
A few months ago I noticed a character stanning Tony rather intensely in the Captain America: Civil War page. Now I'm seeing edits bashing Natasha and Clint for what are honestly rather dubious reasons (very blatant case of Ron the Death Eater here). Should someone write them up a warning? They're also regularly adding to Avengers: Infinity War and its various subpages, which people are debating should be locked down in the meanwhile for the potential of spoilers.
openSpoilers off for MCU? Film
Yesterday, PStriderFan went through Ant-Man and the Wasp and changed it to Spoilers Off; removing all spoiler tags and adding a "spoilers are unmarked" warning at the top. Was that officially decided on anywhere? Because it doesn't feel right to me. I wanted to check before I did anything — and honestly, if spoilers should be put back, then it'd be quicker to have a mod do a restore.
For the record, Avengers: Infinity War is also Spoilers Off, though I can understand that one given how spoiler-heavy the film is. I still figured I'd bring it up just in case.
openBra removal trick Film
I wonder if a page could be created listing out movies or TV shows where the actress takes off her bra onscreen without removing her top
openSpider Man What Could Have Beens Film
I noticed that the What Could Have Been page for the Spider Man Trilogy is now a red-link with the cut explanation "As discussed in other Ask The Tropers, it's best to keep WCHB entries to their respective works own Trivia pages, not merge them into one page for the trope."
But now there's no What Could Have Been section at all in the trivia pages of any of those films, just that redlink. Can they be restored to those pages? I think they might still be in the history of the respective articles.
openTroper with suspect edits Film
I was looking at Characters.Charlie And The Chocolate Factory The Four Bratty Kids and I noticed that maria765 had added
pictures depicted both film versions of Violet Beauregarde after their respective blueberry transformations. As no other post-transformation pictures for the bratty kids had been added and Violet's blueberry transformation is pretty popular in certain online fetish circles, it made me a bit wary, but I decided to check the edit history of the troper in question before I made any assumptions.
I have yet to find any evidence of this being a fetish-fueled edit, but I did find multiple
edits
with
grammatical
errors.
I've sent them a notifier for one of the edits, but I'm not sure what else to do since the issue seems rather pervasive; on top of that, I'm still not sure what to do about the images they added.
Edited by Storygirl000openHow to spell Doctor Strange? Film
On Spider-Man: No Way Home, Endurable Grist changed all instances of "Doctor Strange" to "Dr. Strange", including one in the title of his intro movie which messed up the wikiword, hinting it was an automated search and replace.
Is this any way correct? I was under the impression that "Doctor Strange" is his superhero name, as displayed by movie titles, and thus should not be shortened (except maybe when the context speak about his pre-superhero persona).
openYMMV page for Snowpiercer wiped Film
It looks like the YMMV page for Snowpiercer got wiped by the crash, including the edit history. The most recent archive on the Wayback Machine
only goes as far back as 2018, which means that any examples and edits added since then, as well as any YMMV items for the 2020 TV series, are gone. Does anybody remember what was on that page before the crash that isn't in the archive?
openEdit War Film
Shoobedobah
added the following to YMMV.Godzilla King Of The Monsters 2019 on June 12th:
I removed it as the Broken Base clean-up thread had decided that it wasn't an example
.
Shoobedobah has then added this to the page:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=WesternAnimation.TurningRed#edit32384206
is pretty clearly vandalism of the page, so it being reverted is a no-brainer... but what about the troper who made the edit? Should they be suspended?