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openIs it possible for a Platform to have a YMMV page?
There is a YMMV page for GoAnimate, which is classified as a Platform by TV Tropes, but they're mostly for those infamous videos where Kay-loo gets grounded grounded grounded grounded grounded for god knows how long. I think I just answered my own question but I could be wrong.
openPage got taken down Music
Hello
I got a message about a page being copyrighted from Fandom. I rewrote the page, deleted paragraphs and It still got taken down. I deleted a lot of paragraphs and rewritten them and it got taken down. I want to rewrite the whole thing. Is it safe to rewrite and recrate the page in different original paragraphs and have this problem fixed?
Edited by CobraMaltaseopenTFIW's namespace
Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask (I don't remember if there was a namespace forum thread or not), but this has been bugging me for a long time and I don't know where else to ask about it. (I remember asking about it on a forum thread, though I don't remember which one, and I don't think it was ever resolved.)
Why is The Future is Wild under the literature namespace instead of the series namespace? The series came first, and the book was based on it. In fact, IIRC the page actually WAS under the series namespace originally before being changed. The only explanation I can think of is that Dougal Dixon is known best for his books like After Man, and he was involved with TFIW, so they wanted some sort of consistency?
openProblematic troper.
The MLP forum
pointed out a bunch of problematic additions, which they're concerned is agenda driven, by Anity-Ney to Characters.Friendship Is Magic Races:
- Fantastic Racism: Friendly as they are, most ponies are either wary of other sentient species at their best, or outright xenophobic at their worst. In fact, the massive dislike the three pony races had toward each other in the beginning cost them their original homeland and nearly caused them to perish at the hooves of the Windigoes. It is largely implied that since most ponies don't get to travel outside Equestria very much, they don't get to encounter other races on a regular basis and are pretty distrustful of them as a result. On the receiving end of this trope, ponies are often looked down upon by dragons and griffons, who aren't exactly fond of their affectionate ways. While ponies are in many ways more powerful and advanced. (They later removed that last part they added.)
- Weak, but Skilled: Unicorns aren't known for their physical strength or athleticism, but they have access to powerful magic. Although there are those with great physical strength among them.
- Allegorical Character: Dragons largely embody archetypes of toxic masculinity, being an entire culture where displays of strength and toughness are prized and everyone is constantly trying to impress and beat each other while openly showing emotion and affection are frowned upon and considered a sign of weakness. It puts them in strong contrast with pony culture, where even the most masculine of stallions are typically In Touch with His Feminine Side.
- Most likely dragons and ponies have nothing to do with masculinity and feminity. It's just that dragons are shown as a barbaric society and ponies are shown as a civilised one. And far from all of stallions (and even all of mares) In Touch with His Feminine Side.
- Fantastic Racism:
- They look down on ponies in general as weak and soft, particularly the importance they place on "friendship". Until Ember became Dragon Lord they made no effort at all to forge relations with ponies or other species in general, at best leaving them alone, at worst terrorizing them. One result of this was that ponies knew almost nothing about their culture.
- Irony: those dragons who think so apparently don't know much about ponies. Ponies are objectively more powerful and more evolved than dragons are. Ponies (unicorns and alicorns) have powerful magic with which you can do almost anything if you develop the ability (dragons have their abilities too, but unicorns/alicorns can probably replicate them with powerful magic). Celestia and Luna raise and lower the sun and the moon! Magic of friendship dragons so underestimate is actually extremely powerful, and we've seen that many times in the animated series. Ponies also have a more advanced culture and social order (they have sciences, literature, arts, and they have a fairly prosperous and just society, while dragons is barbaric). And they have a normal country with cities, production and technology, while they live in one small area and have an uncivilized lifestyle. Also in "Equestria Girls", Twilight and Spike go through a portal to a parallel world, Twilight (pony) turns into a human and Spike (dragon) turns into a dog.
- They look down on ponies in general as weak and soft, particularly the importance they place on "friendship". Until Ember became Dragon Lord they made no effort at all to forge relations with ponies or other species in general, at best leaving them alone, at worst terrorizing them. One result of this was that ponies knew almost nothing about their culture.
- Long-Lived: Dragon lifespans are not explicitly stated, but the presence of an adult-looking Torch during Flash Magnus' time implies that they can live for well over a millennium.
- Perhaps only royalty dragons can live so long (just as alicorns).
I sent them a PM regarding the Natter, speculation, and formatting issues. But looking through their history reveals other problems.
- trope
slashing
.
- YMMV to a non-YMMV page
, which I previously PM'd them about and admittedly hasn't been an issue since.
- Deleting
items
without edit reason.
They have so many issues for how few edits/new they are
that it seems to require attention. Should this be dealt with before fixing the Character page (which the MLP forum said should be fixed)?
openSpoiler on Sleepless Domain: Yes or No?
~Mr_Math added a spoiler to the page on Sleepless Domain regarding Supernaturally Validated Trans Person, hiding that Zoe's gender was validated by her having the Dream and becoming a magical girl by spoilering her name. I took the spoiler off, since it's stated under Handling Spoilers to avoid this where it would cause a Swiss-Cheese effect; it's the only spoiled thing in the paragraph, and it's listed on the Gender-Restricted Ability example that Zoe was assumed to be a boy before her powers manifested. However, Mr_Math put it back saying it's an "ABSOLUTELY needed spoiler
" and readers should be able to read the page without it being spoiled, citing the rant on the ep
. Which was published in Chapter 9 in 2018 so this is a six-year old spoiler, and Zoe has already been seen in action — plus the next chapter calls back
to that same episode, showing it was Zoe.
Should this be spoilered or not?
ETA: Found this episode
that offscreen shows her transforming in front of the same cousin from Ep 9.
open"Christmas Rush" misuse if speculation?
Wish (2023) was first added to Christmas Rushed by Lilybelle, deleted per Wish cleanup as speculation
and complaining, but added back twice by two separate tropers.
What to do? As Trivia does it need objective confirmation it was released before it was ready? (The original entry notes it was in production since 2018 which seems evidence against)?
Edited by Ferot_DreadnaughtopenMinimum period for TimeSkip
Is there a minimum amount of time that needs to pass for Time Skip to be applicable? The description says most examples are three years, but a significant amount of examples I've seen involve a matter of months—if not weeks.
openUsing swearing when describing tropes - permitted or forbidden?
I know gratuitous profanity in examples is listed as Word Cruft while also being a Bluenose Bowdlerizer is discouraged, but as far as TV Tropes' generally accepted and striven for writing conventions in articles, does using terms like "fucks it up", "being an asshole", or "being his dumbass self" go against any of the Adminstrivia policies when editing articles? I know we have more lenient POV guidelines than Wikipedia or Fandom like allowing the generic "Tropes that apply" or "Visit the unabridged version HERE" being allowed to be written to reflect a quote or theme of the work documented, but I don't know if the same applies to asterisk-preceded examples.
I'm mainly talking about pages on works in any medium rather than Tropes themselves, as those are usually written from a subjective and generalizing standpoint with some humor thrown in at the beginning paragraph and/or folders if it's comedic or imitating the character subject of the trope. But from my experience, examples on a work's page are described more seriously, but I'm not sure what the line is for occasional allowances of language in example descriptions that wouldn't change the meaning/point either way if they were changed into something more informal (-> being an asshole -> being a jerk -> being arrogant/selfish/rude). Even if such a rule were in place or preferred, tropes that already have profanity in the title like Asshole Victim or Bitch in Sheep's Clothing would obviously be exceptions whether following the asterisk or being mentioned in a sentence after the colon of another trope, since Sinkholing is forbidden as a format regardless of the trope name.
I'm also wondering if it depends on the target demographic of the work and/or the subpage the profane descriptions of an applicable trope is used? What may seem like conventional description on a South Park example feels a bit out of place on a SpongeBob one.
Edited by TacoyogoopenRenaming a work page and moving it to another medium
Star Cat Studio is in an awkward position. The animated series it's about was sort-of cancelled, and it'll be turned into a book series instead. It also has folders for sequels that we don't know anything about.
I'd like to cut the page and move most of its contents to The Alliance Saga, but I don't know if I'm allowed to make such a drastic change without permission.
Edited by NitroIndigoopenPossible edit war on Characters.GargantiaOnTheVerdurousPlanet Anime
On Characters.Gargantia On The Verdurous Planet (history can be found here
), Blackjack 449 has apparently engaged in an Edit War in addition to making some potential grammatical errors there and on some other pages (here is the troper's edit history
).
Can someone please look into this? Thanks.
Edited by gjjonesopenPeacemaker redirect Live Action TV
I noticed the Series.Peacemaker redirect to Series.Peacemaker 2022 was cut. We usually keep the redirects to help anyone who doesn't know the page is disambiguated. Can this be recreated?
Edited by GateStarXopenControversial work, possible issues.
Stumbled across YMMV.Super Columbine Massacre RPG and, seeing a possible magnet for connection, looked and found these:
- Audience-Alienating Premise: Just the fact that the main characters of this game are the Columbine perpetrators is enough to alienate — and offend — certain people. Being disqualified from a game design competition over premise seems like the requisite proof. But I believe it might have been deemed that only commercially released works qualify as otherwise work can be successful with niche, that so?
- Misaimed Fandom: Disturbingly, some
mass shooters
have played the game prior to committing their own attacks, hence why the game became so controversial (Also counts as Harsher in Hindsight too as well). Want to double check appropriateness of entries.
Thoughts about these?
openRude edit reason
This
commentspaee's edit (Rain Code spoilers) is very directed. Would rudeness notifier suffice?
e: sent one, will watch for a response
Edited by AmonimusopenImage Sizes
When adding pictures that are 800px and above, should they be sized down after upload to 350px? Also when adding a main image to a page should the preferred size be 350px and up?
open"Law of Fan Jackassery" Issues
Just found The Law Of Fan Jackassery, which is "The amount of jackassery in a fandom is a function of the fandom's obscurity."
But many of the examples on the page fail to mention the obscurity in the work, and is just fandom jackassery. Should those be deleted?
openQuestion about trope index sorting, possible sinkholes
I have a question.
Lower-Class Lout contains an index of tropes commonly stereotyped as a part of it. Problem is, some of them appear to actually be sinkholes (e.g. "Boorish Americans" potholing to Eagleland.)
I'm assuming this isn't allowed, or is it? And if not, should I replace the sinkholes with the original trope name?
Edited by themayorofsimpletonopenPossible ban evader/Pinkiegir sock?
LittleBumblebee2007
recently joined and started making edits
on the Character pages for Numberblocks and The Mr. Men Show. In the former, they use the same typography and formatting issues (albeit not as bad) as Pinkiegir2008
. I am convinced that they're a Pinkiegir2008 sock.
Edit: Spelling title fix
Edited by ToonAbbyopenCan I use strikethrough to add custom trope names?
Is it acceptable to use custom trope names (for pun purposes) so long as the canonical name is included, eg with a strikethrough? Something like this:
* [[AdaptiveAbility A̶d̶a̶p̶t̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶A̶b̶i̶l̶i̶t̶y̶ Adaptive A-bee-lity]]
Which then looks like:
A̶d̶a̶p̶t̶i̶v̶e̶ ̶A̶b̶i̶l̶i̶t̶y̶ Adaptive A-bee-lity
As far as I can see, that resolves most of the issues listed at Sinkhole: It makes the correct name clear including alphabetization, the strikethrough version is searchable by most tools, misuse will still be easily recognized.
The intended use case is for a story where all the chapter titles are bee puns, so it's fun to do the same with the trope entries.
Edited by ThrawnCA

I was directed here regarding this complaint/issue. I hope this is the proper venue for this sort of topic.
Regarding Master Detective Archives: Rain Code. To some degree this has effected the pages on the game as a whole, but in particular I'd argue the Makoto Kagutsuchi page only even exists separate from the rest of the character pages due to how much one very passionate user has added to it to rant, complain, and (more than anything) repeat themselves through many dozens of entries that may not even really apply to the character. I've long removed entries that blatantly don't fit, but many confrontations with this individual over my edits (I'd hesitate to call these communications debates or arguments as they seldom are willing to engage with me at all other than to condemn me) have sort of burnt me out on trying to trim the pages (to say nothing about how much this user appears to believe I am targeting them on a personal level when from my view I am simply trying to improve the pages). Maybe I am wrong and the pages are fine, but I think they have become bloated with complaining from this user about their interpretation of certain aspects of the plot and the user unnecessarily repeating information. For a few examples:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Characters.MasterDetectiveArchivesRainCodeMakotoKagutsuchi&page=17#edit42630580
(it's quite an exaggeration to call him an evil overlord, given his intentions, actions, and lack of ambitions beyond keeping the homunculi safe)
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Characters.MasterDetectiveArchivesRainCodeMakotoKagutsuchi&page=17#edit42370118
(the character takes their actions seriously, and no worlds are at stake)