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openPermission to a re-add some things from an entry of mine that's been condensed Western Animation
A while ago, I added this entry to This Image Is Not an Example:
- Intercom Villainy: The image depicts Alastor in his radio station from the "Stayed Gone" song sequence in the Hazbin Hotel episode "Radio Killed the Video Star". Point is, although Alastor is a villain, he's the Token Evil Teammate of the show's heroes rather than an enemy of them, and in context he has never used his radio system to properly talk to enemies in the usual ways implied by the trope (rather, he uses it to terrorize the inhabitants of Hell and make any feats he succeeds at known). Plus, the aforementioned song sequence involves him joining midway through "Stayed Gone" to interrupt Vox's (the enemy in context, and one of the actual antagonists) performance and curb-stomp the latter's attempt at damaging his public image, with the audience being supposed to root for Alastor rather than Vox.
Some time later, Amonimus heavily condensed
the entry for being too long when compared to other entries on the page.
- Intercom Villainy: The trope is about a villain taunting the hero from a safe location. During the scene, Alastor is a Nominal Hero, who mocks Vox, his rival and an actual villain, on public media.
I noticed that the condensed entry now lacks a link to the work page in question like most other entries on the page do (plus some important aspects regarding the trope itself), so I'd like to change it to this:
- Intercom Villainy: The trope is about a villain taunting the hero from a safe location via a remote communication system. During the scene from Hazbin Hotel, Alastor (the character pictured in the image), a Nominal Hero, mocks Vox, his rival and an actual villain, on public media, in the middle of a Quarreling Song between the two.
May I go ahead with the change? I'm asking because I had previously included the pothole in the original entry pre-condensation, and want to make it clear that I'm not intending to start an Edit War.
Edited by Inky100openMake Your Mark Western Animation
To whomever it may concern,
I’m fairly new here in TV Tropes and I noticed that the page image for Make Your Mark in Western Animation isn’t the correct show logo since it has an outdated logo with the fourth generation design on top of the current. Is it possible to be adjusted to the show’s intro picture that I previously used since it’s more accurate to the animation itself, and not an outdated poster? My sincerest apologies that this wasn’t first brought up here.
openSingle troper's vandalism of animated series all from same creator Western Animation
A troper by the name of Bento Boxer Justin Roiland has had a history of vandalizing work pages involving cartoons created by Brazilian animator Pedro Eboli, often adding false information. This includes:
- Claiming his works from Birdo Studio (Oswaldo, Cupcake & Dino: General Services, and Ba Da Bean) were co-produced by Bento Box Entertainment on December 16, 2024
(edit removed January 13, 2025
).
- They added this information to Bento Box's page too on April 19, 2025
. (removed April 24, 2025
)
- They also said Ollie's Pack was animated by Atomic Cartoons, Toon City, and Snipple Animation on April 19, 2025
(removed April 24, 2025
).
- They added this information to Bento Box's page too on April 19, 2025
- Creating a Character Sheet for Cupcake & Dino: General Services full of outright false information on December 17 2024. (page was cut by yours truly)
- Creating a Crosses the Line Twice page for Ollie's Pack once again full of false information and using a page image not actually from the show on February 1, 2025 (has been added to the Cutlist by me again).
- Adding a frankly bizarre and nonsensical, as well as unnecessary, image and caption to the Ollie's Pack Character Sheet photoshopping the characters' heads onto the cast of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia on April 18, 2025
(removed May 8, 2025
).
- Also adding links to that image and new ones to the Image Links for Crosses the Line Twice on May 6, 2025
that appear to go to their Deviantart. (images cut May 8, 2025
).
- Also adding links to that image and new ones to the Image Links for Crosses the Line Twice on May 6, 2025
There are probably other examples, but I think we all get the point (I get the sense they are a ban evader as another troper named Morty 336 Steve 909 made similar vandalizing edits regarding the same shows). And while they do seem to have made a few positive contributions, this frequent vandalism and spreading of misinformation targeting a few specific shows (that all share the same creator, so I have my suspicions here) is very frustrating, especially for people who work on pages for obscure works, like myself. While I am personally of the belief that this user should be banned, I would like to know what other people's opinions on this matter is.
Edited by MagnusForceopenWas Homer meant to be unsympathetic in "Homer The Herectic" Western Animation
Found this in the Unintentionally Sympathetic Western Animation subpage
Homer again in "Homer the Heretic." He opts to stay home from church one Sunday and when Marge and the kids go without him, he revels in having the house to himself for the first time in years. He enjoys it so much that he decides to stop going to church altogether. Marge, Flanders, and Reverend Lovejoy all try to get Homer to start attending services again, and he even dreams of being confronted by God himself. However, when you stop to think that Homer's duties as a full-time worker, husband, and father mean that he is never alone, it's hard to blame him for wanting just a few hours of me-time each week. And considering that when he does go to church, he often sleeps through the sermon (including at the end of the episode when he's convinced to go back), he's clearly not getting anything out of it anyway.
I don't really think Homer was meant to be in the wrong for not wanting to go to church considering that God actually seemed lenient about it.
Also, i think Homer kind of won against them by sleeping through Timothy's sermon at the end.
openPreventing an Edit War Western Animation
In What If...? S3E3 "What If... The Red Guardian Stopped the Winter Soldier?":
- I added an trope
- palm529sw removed it
thinking it doesn’t apply to characters who also died in the source material.
I know this trope can be applied if a character dies sooner than in the source material as explained in the page itself. Can I get consensus to reapply it?
Edited by MaxyGregoryyyyopenAvoiding an edit war to make some corrections to an entry Western Animation
Recently, AK47Productions edited an entry I had added to Self-Demonstrating.Alastor, under the reasoning of cleaning up Word Cruft.
This is the entry before their edit:
- Well, look who we got here, His Infernal Majesty from another Hell different to the one of my universe! I first heard of you from Niffty wanting your bizarre lobster claw hands, and yes, you look completely bizarre, down to your appeal of dressing up like a woman. And while your fighting prowess is admittedly impressive, it's squandered to the ground by the fact that you just keep trying to take over one specific city only to lose to a trio of weird futuristic experimental "children" (and on one occasion, their fusion with their similarly youthful prototype, even after you've shown capable of mind-controlling that prototype if only for a little while) over and over again, when you have a whole Earth and universe to conquer at your will. Let me ask you a question: Do you ever think outside the box like I always do? Not to mention that you vehemently refuse to use your real name...
After the edit:
- Well, look who we got here, His Infernal Majesty from another Hell different my own! I first heard of you from Niffty wanting your bizarre lobster claw hands, and yes, you look completely bizarre, down to your appeal of dressing up like Angel on the stage. And you squander your powers by trying to take over one specific city over and over again, only to lose to a trio of lab rats masquerading as children when you have a whole Earth and universe to conquer at your will. Let me ask you a question: Do you ever think outside the box like I do? Not to mention that you vehemently refuse to use your real name...
While I don't mind the condensation and removal of redundant wording they did, they accidentally left behind a grammar error and removed a bit of context that the entry cited, which I'd like to correct like this plus some more additions of mine (changes are in bold):
- Well, look who we got here, His Infernal Majesty from another Hell different to my own! I first heard of you from Niffty wanting your bizarre lobster claw hands, and yes, you look completely bizarre, down to your appeal of dressing up like Angel on the stage. And you squander your powers by trying to take over one specific city over and over again, only to lose to a quartet of lab rats masquerading as children and an adolescent when you have a whole Earth and universe to conquer at your will. Let me ask you a question: Do you ever think outside the box like I do? Not to mention that you vehemently refuse to use your real name...note HIM: YOU DARE CRITICIZE MY FLAMBOYANT SENSE OF FASHION AND INSULT ME FOR ONLY WANTING TO WRECK HAVOC IN TOWNSVILLE AND NOWHERE ELSE, MUCH LESS HUMILIATE ME FOR CONSTANTLY LOSING TO THOSE PESKY GIRLS YOU CALL "LAB RATS" WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THEY CAN DO?!?! I ASSURE YOU THAT YOU'LL FACE THE WRATH OF THE EVILEST OF EVIL!!!! Alastor: Heh, if you're so confident about it, I'd dare you to say that to Princess Morningstar or her father...
Do I have permission to go ahead with these proposed corrections and additions without problem, or is there something I have to change?
Edited by Inky100openX-Men '97: MCU or not? Western Animation
So......time to go back to that annoying question once again: Do we put X-Men '97 back in the Multiverse Saga timeline on the franchise page?
For: It's made by Marvel Studios. It's included on the timeline and section on Disney+ as an official part of the MCU. A variant of TAS/97 Storm will be featured on an episode of What If season 3.
Against: Beau DeMayo went on record to state '97 isn't a part of the MCU.
My take: Studios tend to have the final say, and creators can sometimes be full of crap. James Gunn was adamant that Daredevil and the Netflix shows weren't canon. Soooo... welp on that one. There's also the fact that DeMayo was fired for being a giant dick and sex pest, so Marvel/Disney don't really want to ride on his word as the Word of God - going so far as even striking him from the credits going forward. The creator himself said nay, but there's seemingly more weight to the yay.
openHow to make a trope page for Under the Boardwalk? Western Animation
I was looking for the trope page for Paramount Animation's 2024 film "Under the Boardwalk", but as far as I can tell, it doesn't exist? There is a red-linked Under the Boardwalk page, which has a warning on it that it was basically cut because somebody did a really half-arsed job of starting it. So what's the proper procedure for relaunching the page? I will admit I'm actually not sure what indexes it would go on myself, but I do at least have a number of appropriate tropes...
openWhere do I go for help? Western Animation
Rainbow Phoenix is certain that The Simpsons S8 E15: "Homer's Phobia" was an N-Word Privileges-focused episode, and was arguing with me and trying to instigate an edit war which I refused to take part in.
Yes, they have a point since there is a subtle difference when certain people make jokes about subject and how audiences react to it, and odds are, a writer probably had this in mind. However, this isn't enough to make a fuss about who's right when describing it on a page which is being viewed by the public.
I pointed out, since I am pan, so I would be hypothetically be able to make jokes with lesser backlash if I ever got to be a creator of any work, but fighting with people because they think they're 100% right is so not ethical. That's what this user has been trying to do to me.
Now, this episode did cause a Mexicans Love Speedy Gonzales so this should speak for itself, and most of these viewers don't even know who the writer is, let alone would be aware of their sexual orientation.
Where do I discuss this problem? I hate resorting to Ask The Tropers but the cleanup thread hasn't been used in a very long time.
openThis "Does This Remind You of A" Entry in Smiling Friends Western Animation
So, there is an entry in the President Jimble section of the Smiling Friends: Clients that goes like this:
- Does This Remind You of Anything?: He pretty much combines the worst qualities and accusations of presidents Donald Trump and Joe Biden.
- Like Trump, Jimble is a Fat Slob in an ill-fitting suit with ego-centered problems and selfish motivations, abused the "presidential alert" system, endorses a widely-condemned foreign dictator and is widely condemned by the international community and local media.
- Like Joe Biden, Jimble is a former Vice President coasting on his predecessor's goodwill, constantly making verbal gaffes during speeches, undermined by his health issues, under fire for supporting a foreign leader who's widely condemned by the international community while, at the other end, receiving extreme support from local media.
Should this be on the page since it sounds a little too political for the general characters' page (granted, the episode that features President Jimble is political, but the episode never made this distinction).
open"Writers Cartoon". Should it have a page here? Western Animation
I've been on twitter and a couple of John Kricfalusi fanboys (spumdonor and eatmyspum) have been throwing around the expression "writer cartoon".
In a surface level, it seems to refer to animated series that let their dialogue to do all the work when it comes to the comedy whereas the animation take a back seat. These two (and supposedly Kricfalusi himself) hate these kinds of cartoons because they don't take enough advantage of things like going off model or smear frames. Instead,"writer cartoons" rely on pop culture references, puns, Catskill humor, parodies and other things that "kill" the comedy.
Writer cartoons include "Animaniacs", "Tiny Toon Adventures", and I guess everything made by Tom Ruegger.
EDIT: Accourding to "Cartoon Aesthetics" (actually spumdonor's YT account), a writer cartoon is a "cartoon not written by cartoonists".
Edited by Numbuh1507openWeird Edit Removal Reason Western Animation
On YMMV.Dexters Laboratory Walt K removed this entry
- Self-Fanservice:
- Dexter and Mandark get a lot of this in fanart.
- Dee Dee gets her fair share of this, especially when most artists think she'll take after her mom. It doesn't help that Dexter once described Dee Dee as "her hips a bit meaty".
they removed it
with the edit reason "inappropriate" (presumably meaning "sexualizing characters from a children’s series is inappropriate")
Whether you agree with them or not, YMMV is just troping Audience Reactions, and we’ve had other Self-Fanservice entries from kids shows. Even if it is "inappropriate" we’re just troping what fans believe. Is this ok, or should I add it back?
openCut Pages (further clean-up) Western Animation
One final query about my two Disney fanfics (and the tropes pages for them which I acknowledge were purely self-promotional). Will the cut tropes pages become invisible on the search are at some point if someone were to type "Cinderella: The TRUE Sequel" or "Once Upon a Studio: Version 2.0"? I'd just like to ask just to make absolutely sure that nobody can gain access to the cut pages, because I'm well aware this time that TV Tropes advises against self-promotion.
don't worry though if you don't think there is a way to stop any cut pages from appearing in search areas
openAdding Broken Base to YMMV Sonic Prime Page? Western Animation
So, since Sonic Prime had just wrapped up, is it time to make a Broken Base section for the YMMV page? Some of the suggestions for the Broken Base section are:
1) The characterization of Sonic himself has caused a split in the fanbase. Some fans find Sonic being characterized as being too immature found it to be completely alienated from his more laid back yet sensible portrayal in the games. Other fans however, think that having Sonic have more flaws in this version makes him more interesting as a character.
2) The canon of this series has also been divided in the fandom as some fans questioned about when this series exactly took place in the game canon and why does Sonic act way more differently in this series in comparison to how he was portrayed in Sonic Frontiers?
Edited by Rabbitearsblogopen What constitutes an Ass Pull? Western Animation
Essentially, I was thinking of adding the trope in Hazbin Hotel in regards to the whole 'angels can only be hurt by angelic steel'.
Not in the concept itself but the fact that no demon in the 1000 years the exterminations happened had never figured it out, that no demons ever thought to try this.
And the fact that Vaggie would not know this, despite having being maimed by angelic steel.
Would this constitute an Ass Pull or is there another trope that would fit this?
openListing every couch gag Western Animation
I don't really know where else to put this, but I'm wondering if CouchGag.Bobs Burgers is a proper use of the subpage. It lists every example (up to Season 10) of the show's Couch Gag (namely, the names on the store next door and the van), while most other examples of Couch Gag simply stop at a summary of the gag, and maybe give a few noteworthy (e.g. Lampshade Hanging) examples. For comparison, the reason CouchGag.The Simpsons is so lengthy is because the intro has multiple couch gags and their variants tend to be very self-referential and involved due to being an iconic Trope Namer.
So should we cut the Bob's Burgers page and just move it to a couple of examples?
openConsensus on Handling These Gargoyles Manhattan Clan Edits? Western Animation
Steven Alex 22 made an inaccurate change to the Characters page for the Manhattan Clan in Gargoyles, removing the reference in Antiope's entry to Antiope having been nicknamed that by the Captain of the Guard's daughter Alesand. Not only do we see it happen in the recent issue #4, it was already mentioned by Alesand back in issue #1. Therefore, it is not "All There in the Manual" since it derives from published stories and not just the script. I can't change it back myself without edit warring, since I wrote that part in the first place, so Steven Alex 22 or someone else will have to revert the change.
They also made two strange changes that turned correct grammar into incorrect grammar. In Lefty's entry, they changed "the older biological brother of Demona, whom he resembles" to "Demona's biological older brother, whom he resembles". Moving "whom he resembles" away from the name of the person Lefty resembles makes the sentence lose sense and sound awkward. In Katana's entry, they changed "she and others return from patrol moments before the sun comes up, and she immediately insists to Brooklyn on checking on their egg" to "she and others return from patrol moments before the sun comes up, she immediately insists to Brooklyn on checking on their egg". Removing the "and" makes it a run-on sentence for no apparent reason.
Edited by NOYBopenToo Much on The Millennium Age of Animation? Western Animation
On the UsefulNotes.The Millennium Age Of Animation page, TimonAndPumbaa623
has been adding numerous series/movies/specials to the page's list of "Series/Films associated with this era", since 2021 and especially recently, treating it like an index of anything that's come out since the Turn of the Millennium. While the folder itself admits the list is incomplete, it's added a lot of bloat to an already long page, approaching 400,000 . And while "associated with the era" is a somewhat nebulous and subjective term, I'm questioning if such works as CJ the DJ or Little Angels: The Brightest Christmas are notable enough for such a list if it intends to inform people.
All that said, I'm not comfortable with just making a unilateral page change all by myself, so are there any further opinions on this?
openQuestion about Fic Recs Western Animation
I'm pretty sure the answer to this is no, but am I allowed to recommend a fic I myself have written? I've always thought it was no and thought it said that somewhere on the fic page, but I can't find it.

So, I was wondering about how do I change the title on a trope page? I wanted to change the title on the Rabbit Ears Productions page to Rabbit Ears Entertainment, since Rabbit Ears Productions was the old title name that the company had for itself during the 1980s and the 1990s. Nowadays, they go by the name Rabbit Ears Entertainment.