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openNot responding to PM Videogame
What is the correct thing to do if someone else doesn't reply to a PM regarding the misuse of a trope, and I cannot change the page back myself for that would constitute edit warring?
For the record, the troper in question is plcthecd and the page is Age of Empires II.
openQuote changed without edit reason or apparent permission Videogame
Foxtrope changed the quote on Surprise Difficulty to one with a lot of swearing that doesn't get the surprise part down.
Original: ->"Silly gamers expecting games for kids to be easy... have you forgotten who the target demographic of the original Nintendo Hard games were?"
- — Troper Servbot
New: ->"So here's what I have to say about Cuphead; IT'S REALLY FUCKING HARD. (And so am I.) Dark Souls 4 is masterfully creative, but my god, is it fucking hard. I died about 200 times on the first level, and then I got my anus torn wide open by this nightmarish blue teardrop dude. At least I have this epic jazz music rooting me on as my fingers bleed.(Later in review) ...Stupid-blue-piece of-SHIT! FUCK! DAMMIT! Uuugh.. SHIT! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! SHIT! FUCK!"
- — Astrosizt on Cuphead
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.SurpriseDifficulty
openZero Context Examples Videogame
I found several Zero Context Examples on Castlevania, under the Castlevania 64 folder. Some were commented out a while back, but then commented back in by another user in July, who didn't fix all the ZCEs.
I've asked this in the forums as well, but no one's responded yet. What should I do?
open Edit Request: Locked Page for "That One Boss" in Pokemon. Videogame
Any chance that Ultra Necrozma could be added as a "That One Boss" for the Pokemon franchise? I know there's bits and pieces that people may disagree for some bosses, but Ultra Necrozma from Ultra Sun/Moon is pretty much generally agreed to be a very difficult boss.
openEnsemble Stars Indexing Videogame
For some reason, The Eden character page is not indexed.
Edited by Ninamarie124openFridge question Videogame
I was poking around this page https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.StarWarsBattlefrontII2017
and noticed a deleted Fridge Brilliance entry under the reason ": No Fridge mentions in main or YMMV pages. It's not a trope." Is that true? I thought Fridge stuff was allowed on YMMV pages until it had enough entries to make a subpage out of.
openKingdom Hearts χ wiki word Videogame
Kingdom Hearts χ should be wiki worded to "Kingdom Hearts χ" (pronounced "Kingdom Hearts Chi"). I've been requesting it, but it keeps getting rejected, probably because it seems odd to those not familiar with the work.
openIssue on Abobo's Big Adventure YMMV Videogame
In July, I was on Abobo's Big Adventure and saw that Little Mac's final form, Big Mac, was listed as Hilarious in Hindsight thanks to the similar Giga Mac from the fourth Super Smash Bros. The problem is that Giga Mac didn't debut in that game - he debuted in the multiplayer mode for the Wii Punch-Out game. Two Google searches told me that the Wii game was older than this game, so I cut the entry completely, complete with edit reason.
At the beginning of the month, Bob Riddle, a different troper than the one who added the original entry years ago, readded the entry. Given that the wording is completely different, I'm willing to bet that they were unaware of the edit history.
I'm almost certain the entry should be gone since the official Giga Mac existed before the fangame's Big Mac, but I just want a second opinion and, if I'm right, approval to remove for good.
openWanting to avoid an Edit War- Videogame
A while ago I put up a Moral Event Horizon entry for one of the minor villains in Xenoblade Chronicles 2 for basically committing all of his crimes due to greed. User Omega Radiance removed it with the edit reason of "Since he also is close to and loves his parents."
That would invalidate Complete Monster, but not Moral Event Horizon, especially when we learn- 1. His actions offscreen (as discovered by reading the heartfelt letters to his mother) were even worse than onscreen. 2. His father was in on the whole thing too.
I won't restore the entry without mod approval.
Edited by GunarmDyneopenExtra folder on Characters.Castlevania. Videogame
So the Netflix version of Castlevania does have its own character page, but two of that show's characters are in a folder at the bottom of the franchise's main character page. I'm thinking zap that folder, but I want to make sure.
openFFXIV Warior of Light Videogame
So recently I made an edit to this page about how characters created in A Realm Reborn or 2.0 are treated as an entirely new character separate from characters made in FFXIV Legacy or 1.0. This one user changed it so that it's an averted trope, about how both characters made in 1.0 and 2.0 are the same because of a cutscene in FFXIV's raid. I changed it back after I looked through the cutscene in question and found it said nothing about characters being the same, and also cited that the main story is clear in showing that 1.0 and 2.0 characters are different with cutscenes being different between 1.0 and 2.0 characters. The user who did the second edit, then reverted my change, ignoring my reasoning and again calling back to the cutscene in the raid. So now I don't want to start an edit war but I looked around thoroughly and found nothing about the two sets of characters being the same. What's the proper response? This is the cutscene I think the user is referring to, which says that a hope was entrusted to the future, but nothing about sending the player character into the future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bNMj7pt8o8
For context the main argument by the other editor is that 1.0 characters were sent forward in time by the speaker Louisoix, so by that logic any character 1.0 or 2.0 was sent forward in time hence being the same type of character by the cutscene I posted above. The cutscene I think they are referring to the dialogue in 3:20 is very ambiguous at best about entrusting hope to the future, it isn't saying anything particular about the player character in the cutscene. Whereas in the main game, the ending is very different between legacy and non legacy characters.
openDoes Your Millage Vary? Videogame
Can a regular trope be YMMV in certain situations? Specifically when in an interactive medium you have a clear example of a narrative trope, but the player is required to take an action they might not necessarily take? Would that not make the example subjective? The following was an entry I added to The Stanley Parable, but it was removed for the reason "Not YMMV."
- The Tape Knew You Would Say That: Judging by approximately 100% of Let's Plays of this game, the Narrator completely has the player's number in the Countdown ending.
Narrator: Did you just assume when you saw that timer that something in this room was capable of turning it off? I mean look at you, running from button to button, screen to screen, clicking on every little thing in this room! These numbered buttons! No! These colored ones! Or maybe this big, red button! Or this door! Everything! Anything! Something here will save me! Why would you think that, Stanley?
To expand on the context, the Narrator leads you along by the nose through the game until you reach a machine that you may either turn on or disable. The Narrator tells you that you will disable it, but if you defy him he declares that a nuclear bomb will blow you up in two minutes. Immediately before this point in the game you pass through a room filled with buttons and screens. Now here's the key point. Absolutely nothing in the game indicates that any of those buttons will prevent the bomb from going off, nor are you prompted to try. However, in every single case I am aware of the player will run around trying to survive anyway, just as the above quote by the Narrator indicates. The Narrator is the Tape. His message is pre-recorded, obviously, and plays regardless of what the player does. The player could do nothing, even though they never do as far as I am aware. That is what makes the example a subjective audience reaction, as I understand it, even though the trope is not normally YMMV.
Is my understanding incorrect?
openWould this be an edit war? Videogame
This was added to Doki Doki Literature Club! by Etheru on November 17:
- Anti-Frustration Features: There's a "skip" button that allows the player to fast forward through dialogue that they've already seen, which significantly helps to streamline the process of getting the Golden Ending for the game. It's also functional when Yuri kills herself in Act 3, since clicking through all of the garbage text takes a while.
I removed it later that day for being a non-example with this edit reason: "I'm not really sure this should count...having a skip button is a standard feature of visual novels, and in Ren'Py in particular, V Ns made with it include it by default—you have to deliberately disable the functionality in order to not allow for skipping. It's a bit like calling the save function an AFF."
A similar example was added to the page by King Lyger, and subsequently edited by them, on December 8. It currently looks like this:
- Anti-Frustration Features: If you load a save from a previous day, the game lets you fast-forward through dialogue you've already seen by either clicking "Skip" or holding down a key. The skip stops automatically when you reach dialogue that you haven't seen yet. The game also lets you skip through a part of Yuri's event in Act 2 after she stabs herself to death, which features nothing but strings of broken font characters.
The third sentence is a valid example, but the rest is essentially the same as the example I removed. I was going to remove that part again, but I thought it might constitute an edit war if I did, even though they were added by two different tropers (and I don't think King Lyger intentionally re-added a deleted example; that page has gotten a lot of edits).
Edited by MissMokushirokuopenEdit War in YMMV/XenobladeChronicles2 Videogame
A lot of edits in Xenoblade Chronicles 2 have dealt with continually adding and removing mention of a disliked review from Kotaku's Jason Schreier about the game. It started in 8.8 and got bounced around a bit under different tropes, both YMMV and not within the page.
The most recent removal was done by GKG with the reason "This sounds like a barely-concealed complaint that someone reviewed the game poorly. Nixing it."
It was re-added by flyingfishcake (the one who originally put it up) with reason of "The previous entry was removed due to bias and hostility towards the reviewer."
There's nothing in the Discussion page related to this.
openVisualNovel/AngelsWithScalyWings vandalism Videogame
Angels with Scaly Wings is being vandalised by Moldylocks, he also put a troll comment on the discussion page
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openminor edit war and questionable edit on YMMV OOT Videogame
garthvader on YMMV.The Legend Of Zelda Ocarina Of Time removed the Water Temple from a Base Breaker entry,citing that "You see nobody dislikes the water temple because it's *hard*, the dislike it because you're constantly farting around in the menu". I put it back as the WT has become shorthand for 'hard Zelda dungeon', the master quest version and remakes made it easier because of its notorious difficulty. and the level designer even apologized for how hard it was, and the BB entry cited positive thoughts on the level as well, with some really loving it.
They re-removed it, saying " No, it's NOT notorious for being difficult, it's notorious for the fact that every time you mess up you have to repeat a sequence of annoying steps and menu transitions. Lying about why people don't like it makes a poor example. As an addition, the level designer did not apologise for how hard it was, quote: "I am most sorry that it was not easy for you to put on and take off the heavy boots, that all the time you had to visit the inventory. I am very sorry about that. I should have made it much easier to switch to the heavy boots," Aonuma said."
However, right before that Aonuma said "“The Water Temple in the Ocarina of Time was notorious for being very tough to conquer," implying he was being sarcastic about the boots, and even if not he does say the temple itself is difficult. I found the edit reasons a bit rude as well ^^;
But even more than they they added this to the YMMV page, which seems questionable. "**Naming Link as "Hitler" also results in a, um, interesting new interpretation of the story."
Edited by lalalei2001openMyst character page. Videogame
The Myst character page looks like it could use some TLC. I managed to find ZCEs and spoilered out trope names.
Edited by jameygamer

VideoGame.SIMULACRA has several all white examples. I'd go through them myself, but I haven't played through the game and don't know what actually constitutes as a spoiler.
Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast