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openFridge Logic moved to Headscratchers? Videogame
Fridge.Yu Gi Oh Reshef Of Destruction had a small Fridge Logic entry for a while that was just moved to Headscratchers.Yu Gi Oh Reshef Of Destruction, saying it was in the wrong namespace.
Is all Fridge Logic being moved now or can it be put where it was?
Edited by lalalei2001openMukuro Ikusaba apologia Videogame
MisaimedFandom.Danganronpa has this example in the Trigger Happy Havoc folder that seems to be Draco in Leather Pants for Mukuro Ikusaba.
- Mukuro is stated by fans to be anything besides an Anti-Villain on some occasions, since she was Junko's accomplice. This dismisses that, while Mukuro is Junko's accomplice, she does not share Junko's ideals and has the ability to care about people as people instead of pawns, as Junko is a legitimate psychopath whose behavior is Obviously Evil; her sister does not share this mindset, and this is in fact part of the reason that Junko takes advantage of her and has her killed off in Chapter 1 at all. On the Villains Wiki for Fandom Wikia
, it is notable that Mukuro is labelled as a "Near Pure Evil", which not only misses the point that she's an Extreme Doormat to Junko, but also completely misses her true ideals and goals and puts her in the same category as Junko, who is definitively depicted as The Sociopath, and completely vilifies her. As well as this, Mukuro is a scapegoat like all of Junko's other victims. Junko is clearly incapable of caring for anyone else, so the only reason she has Mukuro around as an assistant is because she's too naive to see what Junko actually is. This allows her to shift the blame onto Mukuro, and unfortunately, anyone who states that Junko and Mukuro think the same miss that part completely.
While Mukuro may be an Extreme Doormat for Junko, she also has an extreme Lack of Empathy for anyone else, and does atrocious acts for her sister like lobotomizing Chisa in Danganronpa 3 and massacring Giboura Junior High in the backstory of Killer Killer. Mukuro is only portrayed sympathetically in the non-canon Danganronpa IF, where she survives her sister's attempt to kill her and pulls a Heel–Face Turn. The mention of the Villains Wiki is unnecessary and looks like a red flag for someone trying to undeservedly defend Mukuro to me.
Additionally, siramay (who did not add the Misaimed Fandom example) made an edit
on Danganronpa 3: Despair Arc that seems to downplay her Lack of Empathy and remove any implication that she's attracted to her sister.
openTropes used to be valid before, but not anymore... What to do? Videogame
In live-service games or those that keep on receiving updates. What should be done when an example that used to be valid or was applied in an older version suddenly got removed in a newer version?
- Keep the example but rewrite the context to state that it used to be the case until Version X removed it?
- Delete the entire trope example?
- When the game was newly-released, there was some fandom discussion on how Childe's name is supposed to be pronounced, because a very specific clip
from Paimon's English VA had the name pronounced like "child" at first, then like "chill-day" next, in the same sentence. I originally added it somewhere
as a trope example, but another troper deleted it
saying it was fixed in a newer version.
- A troper deleted some examples
from YMMV.Genshin Impact without providing an edit reason, though what can be assumed here is that they deleted examples that no longer applied to the newer versions of the game. One of the deleted examples was a Cheese Strategy that was so prevalent or known back in the day, it was widely believed that "miHoYo had to patch it out". The point here is that the cheese strat existed in the past and players were trying to re-create it
before and after it was patched. There were even discussions wondering why the boss arena's ceiling suddenly changed, and fingers were either pointed to this cheese strat with Guoba, another cheese strat with Klee, or it was a semi-related bug with the hole itself.
- Cheese Strategy: The Cryo Regisvine could be safely cheesed by using Xiangling to drop Goubas from a cliff directly above the arena, allowing players to chip off its HP even before it wakes up. The devs eventually caught on to the trick and patched it out in Version 1.1.
Other Genshin tropers brought this up too years ago in the Discussion tab
I'd like to know if there's a guideline for these kinds of examples here on TV Tropes, because there are several other live service games I know of here with trope examples that are "outdated" or "no longer applies in the newer version".
"Blind Idiot" Translation and Good Bad Translation examples also have this dilemma sometimes, as it's common for live-service game devs to fix translation/localization errors when pointed out by players in the game's online platforms.
Edited by DanteVinopenRunescape Character Page Videogame
So I'd like to try and create a page includes the Player Character and associated characters (Characters/entities whose sole existence in the game revolves around the player.), such as pets, familiars, sentient items, POH (Player Owned Home) character, etc.. Unfortunately I was told that I can't do that because the player character would need to be 250,000 characters in length. The thing though is that this page would not just be for the player character; though they would obviously be the main part of this page, which from what I understand is me simply making "splitting pages into further groups" as mentioned in Character-Specific Pages, which is encouraged.
I also now question the true reasons for this initial push back since the sole person who told me not to also appears to have created the original folder on the Runescape character page.
openHollywood animal Videogame
The troper Silverblade 2 deleted every tropes from the Hollywood Animal page, citing the rules against speculative troping, despite everything coming from actual gameplay footage, which were present in the trailers that were linked to on the page
Edited by Dood95openEdit war and unilateral alteration of The Golden Age of Video Games Videogame
On December 15, ~Jagger made a series of unilateral definition-changing edits to The Golden Age of Video Games (starting here
). I brought it up to the relevant forum on Platform/ and MediaNotes/ pages
, even pinging the user to invite them to make their case. Of course, with the edit being unilateral and not being discussed beforehand, those edits have all been reverted. Instead of engaging the thread or ATT and making their case, they reapplied the unilateral changes
. I believe this constitutes an edit war.
openDoes Marikin Online not have a page or am I blind? Videogame
I feel like the game series would already have a page, considering its popularity with English speakers despite the lack of an official English translation.
But when I search for Marikin online, I don't get a result mentioning the game anywhere on the wiki!
This post is kinda dumb, but I want other tropers confirmation on this just to be sure.
openSuper Cat Tales Videogame
I want to create something for the Super Cat Tales series. Thing is, I don't know if I should make separate pages for the three entries (Super Cat Tales, Super Cat Tales 2 and Super Cat Tales: PAWS) or just add all of the games in a single page. They obviously do have their differences (with SCT2 and PAWS being more lore-driven than the 1st SCT, the latter having limited helpers while the other 2 having permanent objects/helpers once you buy them and needing them as requirements to progress throughout the game, etc.), but they also share so many similarities like enemies, songs, mechanics and more.
Edited by UzarNaimBer15openHow can a redirect be removed? Videogame
God of War: Betrayal currently redirects to God of War. It appears that Betrayal never had its own page, but there'd be no harm in adding one, per the usual rule. So when I went ahead to create it I was met with the aforementioned redirect. How can it be removed so a proper page can be made?
openShould this be restored? Videogame
I was checking Wide-Open Sandbox and discovered a glaring omission. I checked history and found that SeaMonkey851 removed it last year
with the edit reason "The other wiki doesn't say it's a wide open sandbox." The problem? The removed entry was the entire Grand Theft Auto series which the description identifies as the Trope Codifier. So should this be restored?
If so, can Grand Theft Auto VI be added to the list?
openPossible ROCEJ Violation on YMMV.ArmoredCoreVIFiresOfRubicon Videogame
Not too long ago, the following was added
to the Memetic Loser entry in YMMV.Armored Core VI Fires Of Rubicon:
Aside from being improperly indented (it's a lone subbullet) and in present tense rather than past tense like the rest of the page, it feels like a ROCEJ violation to me as it's ragging on a real person.
Should it be removed on this basis?
openEdit war on Stellar Blade's YMMV page Videogame
On December 12th, Troper tyrannobubs3110 added this entry
to Stellar Blade's YMMV page with the entry and edit reason citing a reviewer named Shaun:
- Vanilla Protagonist: In his review of the game/video looking over the so-called "censorship" controversy, Youtuber Shaun found EVE to be
a Blank Slate and The Stoic to such a degree that she seemed boring compared to many other video game characters. He felt this was especially bad due to the game having so much dialogue, more so than Super Mario Bros or The Legend of Zelda.
I removed it
a day later since, while the reviewer reference was unnecessary to begin with, I thought the entry was entirely reliant on that one reviewer and I wasn't sure if the opinion was widespread enough to warrant an entry.
Five days later, tyrannobubs3110 re-added
a rephrased version of the entry, adding more reviewers, and insisted in the edit reason that it's a common criticism:
- Vanilla Protagonist: Various reviewers, including IGN's Mitchell Saltzma, Gamesradar's Austin Wood, Ben Croshaw and Youtuber Shaun found EVE to be a Blank Slate and The Stoic to such a degree that she seemed boring compared to many other video game characters. Shaun in particular felt this was especially bad due to the game having so much dialogue, more so than Super Mario Bros. or The Legend of Zelda.
Regardless of his thoughts, he's edit warring at this point.
Edited by Super_WeegeeopenEntry Cleanup for Super Pansy World and Remaining Red Links for Super Mario Bros. Fan Works Videogame
Super Pansy World had its page cut from the wiki for (to paraphrase the cut reason) being chock-full of Zero-Context Examples and a decade-long lack of interest from its creator or anyone else in salvaging it. I'm not qualified to try to recreate that page because I know nothing about the work, so I commented it out
of the Fan Works page for Super Mario Bros. for being a red link for which nobody seems to be capable or interested in making a viable page. (Incidentally, I did leave a few red links on that page (Are The Enemies Smarter Than A Caveman, Mario Kart 64 Amped Up, Super Mario 64: Beyond the Cursed Mirror, and Super Mario Eclipse in the "ROM Hacks" folder alone), all of which have never been created, for the purpose of giving people a chance to make the pages in question. If nobody can or will make those work pages, then those red links should be removed or commented out as well.)
There are now two remaining red links to Super Pansy World, specifically on the Game Mod Index and Platform Game indexes, and my query is about what should be done with those. (Again, I make a distinction between "red links set up with the intention of making a work page later" and "red links leading to pages that failed to meet TV Tropes' quality standards", with Super Pansy World being an example of the latter.)
Edited by Bomber-BoiopenZCE on YMMV page for VideoGame/PsychoWaluigi? Videogame
I'll admit, I've been here a while and I still struggle to grok the Zero-Content Examples policy. I've seen quite a few things commented out as ZCE instances that do not look like zero context IMO. But on the YMMV page for Psycho Waluigi, there's an entry written like this:
- Ensemble Dark Horse: General Hazel.
That's it. Nothing on why she's an Ensemble Dark Horse, just the trope and the character. Like… that hardly tells me anything… if anything I've seen around TV Tropes is a "Zero Context Example", it's that. Am I the only one who sees it?
openThe Witcher IV Videogame
Someone made a page for The Witcher IV after the trailer dropped last night. However, it violates our rules on future works, as there's no release window as of yet. Oh, and they didn't even bother adding any tropes for it, so it would be cut as a stub anyway. There is a sandbox, and I was going to copy the tropes over from there before I remembered the page violates the rules.
openShortening a video Videogame
Ok so I’m making a video example out this song
from CookieRun: Kingdom for
I Just Want to Have Friends and I want to shorten it as it does over the 2:30 rule, while at the same time giving context to what’s happening. Should I cut the first part or the last part of the song?
openDoes GameBreaker attract walkthrough mode issues? Videogame
A question posed on the Arknights forum thread has me wondering. Does Game-Breaker examples (among other related tropes) oscillate between ZCE and Walkthrough Mode too much, and if so, should a TRS thread be opened for it?
Edited by MorningStar1337
Resident Bollywood Nerd
openPage has been cut rather than redirected, not sure why Videogame
Just noted that VideoGame.Sleeping Dogs is now a red link as the game's page has been moved to VideoGame.Sleeping Dogs 2012. I don't mind adding the year (though is there a reason why?) but I'm not sure why the first page isn't a redirect to the second.
EDIT: I realize why the year has been added - there is also a movie named Film.Sleeping Dogs 1977 - but my question regarding making it a redirect remains.
Edited by arcanephoenixopenOdd edits to Fire Emblem: Three Houses pages Videogame
I've noticed a troper by the name of Ruderuby has been making some—from my perspective, at least—strange edits to the Fire Emblem: Three Houses pages. Some of the edits, namely the ones to the character pages, seem to be undoing alterations they made with the editing reason "Destroying evidence.", but others—on every single one of the subpages—have been deleting examples with no editing reason provided, which to my knowledge goes against TV Tropes' editing rules. I'm not entirely sure why Ruderuby's been making these edits—especially since the deleted entries strike me as being valid examples—so I'm not sure what should be done in this case.

Hi, everyone! I was doing some editing for Characters.Subway Surfers and I realized that the "limited charcaters" folder is getting really long and disorganized, and so I had an idea on how to fix it. I was thinking of starting a new section for limited characters and having folders based on what year they were introduced. If we wanted to shorten each folder even more, we could sort them based on how they're unlocked. How does this sound? Thanks in advance.