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openFirst Time Editor Print Comic
After reading a few comic book pages, I wanted to add some tropes on the YMMV page, but I've never edited a trope page before and I'm not sure what the proper procedure is. I didn't want to just hit the 'Edit' button and go wild. I've been trying to look for a good rules or procedure list, but the FAQ on the forum wasn't helping. I could have just missed something, I admit. Basically, what do I need to do to start making edits and additions properly?
openThe page image caption for Know-Nothing Know-It-All bothers and confuses me. Print Comic
Hi, please let me know if there is a better place to ask this. So, the page image for Know-Nothing Know-It-All is part of a Calvin and Hobbes strip where Hobbes tells Calvin the basic math problem he needs help with requires calculus and imaginary numbers. The caption is "There are imaginary numbers, just not the ones he's thinking of.", and links to Right for the Wrong Reasons and Eleventy Zillion. Maybe I am missing something and am mistaken, but I feel like the caption is really inaccurate? The joke looks to me like he clearly has a vague idea of imaginary numbers being an advanced and hard math concept like calculus. Even if he barely understands what the term means, I do not see how that implies that he thinks "imaginary numbers" means Eleventy Zillion numbers. Either me or the caption writer is missing the point of something, and I am not sure who. If I am right, it probably needs a better caption.
openAbout Batman Print Comic
Do you think that we should add The Woobie subpage for the Batman franchise? I mean, Gotham is very unforgiving place that is filled with harsh environment and dastardly villains. Batman himself is the Iron Woobie as though he lost his parents to an killer, yet he still presses on and become a Hope Bringer to Gotham. Likewise, Barbara Gordon and Damian Wayne should count as well; as the former was humiliated and crippled by The Joker just to torture her father, and the latter was raised by a mother who is mentally unstable, and a grandfather who is a genocidal maniac. Cassandra Cain, Jim Gordon, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown, and even Jason Todd are good examples. Heck, it even extends to some in Batman's Rogue Gallery, especially Harley Quinn and Mr. Freeze. The latter is in the tropes, Even Evil Has Loved Ones and Tragic Villain for a reason.
Edited by AlexHoskinsopenNo Title Print Comic
Well, print media, anyway.
Question: Fortean Times. British magazine publication, but a previous troper has methodically changed spellings to American English, which doesn't feel right. This isn't snobbishness or insularity: if I were to go to a works page on an American publication and change everything to British English it would look just as odd and "wrong". I don't want to provoke a flame war by changing everything back. But instinctively - if it's a works page on a British subject, it should be in British English. If it's American, American English. And vice versa. What's the ruling on this? Is there a "style guide" to consult?
openWhere would I put characters tropes about characters in relation to each other? Print Comic
Specifically, I'm working on Deadpool stuff. For Deadpool Allies, and there are characters who have their own pages, like Bullseye (who need an actual character page) and Cable.
I'm aware of there's a rule or guideline for characters who already have their own character pages where you'd only list tropes specific to appearances in that series, in this case specific to stuff in the many Deadpool series.
But where would tropes go about these characters and Deadpool in relation to each other? For instance, Heterosexual Life-Partners, Red Oni, Blue Oni, Vitriolic Best Buds... would character pair tropes go on one or more of: Deadpool Allies within that character's folder, Deadpool: The Character, the character page for the second character?
open Trinities Print Comic
Is there a trope related to a trinity of lead characters such as Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman? Aside from the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, I cant really think of anything yet the concept seems to legendary
Edit: apologises, I see I’ve posted this in the wrong place but don’t know how to delete it so feel free to ignore
Edited by OtherworlderopenPeople keep re-adding objectively untrue entry Print Comic
EDITED: Link should work now.
A while back, I removed an Unintentionally Unsympathetic entry from America Chavez since it made a false claim and had poor indentation and natter. Somebody else has now added it back.
To be precise, it made this false claim: "America asks Lisa to uproot her life so they can move in together somewhere else as part of America's new college life. When Lisa says she can't, America breaks up with her, kicks one of her trademark PORTALS open and walks away. In other words, a character that can teleport across half the universe, and dimensions, in an instant, calls off a relationship because her girlfriend doesn't want to move, and given her powers, shouldn't have to."
This isn't true, though—Lisa never actually says that having a long-distance relationship is the reason she doesn't want to stay together with America. (The issue, issue #1, is very vague about the reason, but it seems as if she's just not interested in the plan they made.)
Furthermore, another entry says that it's hinted in issue #5 that America cheated on Lisa with America's friend Magdalene. That's not hinted at all—it's just mentioned that America and Magdalene used to be mostly friends (but a bit of something moooore, ohoho). No mention of America being together with Lisa at the time; that's pure speculation.
So far, nobody's started an editing war about this, but if I were to make another edit in the series then I would be edit warring. Therefore, I ask for other people's opinion about the matter. Is it okay for me to remove it again, since it doesn't accurately represent the events in the comic?
(Here's a link
to the relevant page, BTW.)
openCyclops Print Comic
Troper Rob Tan added this to the YMMV page of Cyclops.
Unintentionally Sympathetic: In 1986, Cyclops walked out on his wife and son to join up with the rest of the original X-Men (including a resurrected Jean) in X-Factor. That was an objectively assholish thing to do and many readers at the time turned on him for good, on This Very Wiki you’ll find dozens of entries declaring the character Ruined FOREVER. Many writers at Marvel who were fans at the time still think of him as the Jerkass who abandoned his family to go shack up with his ex, and therefore see all his actions as morally dubious and all his suffering as a just punishment.
What exactly is this entry trying to say? I know that YMMV entries are often filled with opinionated writing, but this is ridiculous even by YMMV standards.
open The Deadpool pages are way to difficult to understand for people note well-versed with the comics. Print Comic
I get it, Deadpool is 4th Wall breaking, but does really need to be applied to Deadpool's T Vtropes and all associated pages, especially the tropes themselves? It's actually hard to understand some of it, especially when it's discussing specific events which A. Aren't clearly stated and B. assumes you already are well-versed with all of Deadpool's appearances. The one I have serious trouble reading in Deadpool/YMMV page for Seasonal Rot, not only is the entry needlessly long winded, but poorly explained on what events or comics it's even talking about and just isn't all the useful.
What's worse is that on the Characters / Marvel Comics aka: Marvel Universe page, next to link for the Deadpool page their's a note that says "(And if you're asking why there's no Comic Book sub-page for me, too bad! My page is always permanently on Self-Demonstrating mode, cuz I'm frickin' Deadpool.)"
Like really? Is this what T Vtropes has come to where we say screw making the site actually anyway useful or informative and just make entire sections useless for a cheap overdrawn joke that just simply isn't funny unless your a hardcore fan of the character and make fun of people for it?
I'm sorry but I really do feel the Deadpool really needs to heavily revised to at least make it understandable for people who aren't well-versed with the comics and the character and make it more clear what is even being discussed.
open Edit war on Inhumans vs X-Men Print Comic
My Little Xero
has been deleting entries on both the main and the YMMV page of said event comic.
Whiel other tropers restored them on the main page, I did so on the YMMV page.
Granted, I could've reworked some of the more Natter-y ones before restoring, but still, he went ahead and deleted them again which counts as an edit war.
He also ignores the reasoning behind the edits. It's bit of a controversial storyline, but most of the fandom agreed that the writer went to pretty blant retcon and ass pull territory to make this an even conflict, with the Inhumans having long become a Replacement Scrappy for the X-Men. How to proceed?
openEdit War Print Comic
Okay so the troper My Little Xero has done a remove - add - remove for entries on the Ymmv page of Inhumans Vs Xmen
. Which is an Edit War.
openPossible agenda-based troping? Print Comic
Troper JaneDoe1985 has been mass removing certain tropes from character pages, adding other ones, and has added a total of three Complete Monster entries to a non-YMMV page without going through the cleanup, all without leaving edit reasons. It appears they are engaging in agenda-based troping.
openOfficial Couple/Word of Gay question Print Comic
Characters.Archie Comics Sonic The Hedgehog Freedom Fighters has been receiving a lot of pro-Sonic/Sally shipping moments lately, which are from before the comic was rebooted. In the post-reboot comic, Sally was instead extremely close with Nicole, and according to
Ian Flynn
, the Homoerotic Subtext between Sally and Nicole was entirely intentional on the writers' part, with a Bumblekast interview
clarifying that post-reboot Sally was bi, had dated Sonic in the past but it didn't work out, and would eventually enter a committed relationship with Nicole.
I thought that was evidence enough to put Sally/Nicole as an official couple post-reboot with Sonic/Sally being pre-reboot specifically (especially since Ian had gotten sick of the shipping wars and made them just friends post-reboot), but Eagle70 deleted it and kept Sonic/Sally as the only official couple, citing a link to someone bashing Ian's podcast as evidence. Any advince for what to do? I think at the very least Sonic/Sally should be clarified as pre-reboot.
openCan't create new works page Print Comic
The "Titlegoeshere" tropes page doesnt work. I cant make a new works-page by clicking on the Titlegoeshere-link and edit it, it says that "This Article is under administrative lock and currently not editable. Please visit the Administrivia Page to learn more.". I dont know what to do.
openIs this a case of The Worf Effect? Print Comic
On X-Men Recurring Characters and X-Men: Brotherhood of Mutants, there's an instance cited as one where Kwannon kills Joseph, who is basically Magneto, to establish that she's a badass.
The trope states that someone defeats someone else in a fight to establish credibility.
Except... Joseph had just been taken down by one punch from the Juggernaut, was barely standing, and Kwannon just beheaded him when nobody knew she was there. So she didn't defeat Joseph so much as... steal a kill. Is it really The Worf Effect when the person didn't even participate in the fight and basically killed a helpless character? I think it was more just a dramatic reveal because nobody figured they'd use the character again.
This is the scene being referred to: https://comicnewbies.com/2019/04/20/kwannon-kills-magnetos-clone/amp/
openThe Lobo problem Print Comic
The page SelfDemonstrating.Lobo exists.
The page ComicBook.Lobo doesn't. Once upon a time, it was a redirect to the self-demonstrating page, but it was cutlisted with the following reason "Redirect to SelfDemonstrating.Lobo, causing people to treat the page as a legitimate work page rather than a Just For Fun page. [Anddrix]"
Beyond the fact that ComicBook.Lobo should exist as it is a genuine work, trope examples shouldn't be linking to a self-demonstrating page. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe that it was clearly stated by mods that any such link (like SelfDemonstrating.Deadpool or SelfDemonstrating.The Joker to only name common ones) should be corrected to the ComicBook/ namespace.
However, in the case of Lobo, the result would be a red link. (There is currently 259 wicks.) What shall we do? Re-creating the redirect would seem to me the absolute minimum, until someone knowledgeable and/or courageous enough create an actual work page...
Edited by StFanopen Cleaning up and Updating of the Red Hood related YMMV pages Print Comic
Hey everyone, I wanted to ask for help/feedback about what it should be done about the YMMV pages of both Red Hood and the Outlaws and Red Hood YMMV pages. The pages have been ignored for a long while with only a few tropers showing interest in keeping the entries up to date. One of the tropers that have, unfortunately, shows an obvious negative bias against the series and its writer, Scott Lobdell. I find the current state of the pages to be not only unhelpful for anyone interested in checking the series and/or the character and the personal views expressed to be somewhat out of place. I tried to fix the pages a little a while back, trying to be as objective as possible with my edits but I only succeeded in getting myself tangled in an Edit War with the aforementioned troper. Since I don't want the situation to repeat itself, and I'm still not satisfied with the pages' current status, I ask you for some help in improving those pages.
open Question about an obscure DC Character Print Comic
I was reading information pertaining to Grant Morrison recently and it was referencing all the forms he has taken in various comics written by both himself and others. I unexpectedly had the topic come up again today in a conversation and was looking up a piece of information I had noticed. There was reference to (if I remember correctly) a Silver Age DC Comics time traveler that looked like Grant Morrison in his signature look years before he had adopted it. This isn't the Invisibles or anything since it wasn't by Morrison. It was just a weird coincidence someone was noting. Now, I know most time travelling characters across various publishers and I just can't place who this might actually be. It was either someone stretching what they thought or something I just haven't found through any cursory searching. I have a set of links from the day I saw that but I'll dig through all of it to find the answer. Was just seeing if there was a more expedient way of digging this up however. Now, is there anyone who might have any idea what I may be talking about?
openCreate a works page Print Comic
I want to create a works page for the DC comic series L.A.W (Living Assault Weapons). I did create a works page for the Spider-Man story Evil That Men Do but I had a sandbox blank provided for me and I can't figure out how to make another one.

Garfield and U.S. Acres
Since Paws, Inc. was bought out by Viacom last year, Viacom as of yesterday have shut down garfield.com that was in use since 1996 leaving behind two links (one to Nickelodeon and the other to the Go Comics mirror).
All of the garfield.com links in the main Garfield comic pages (including audience reaction pages) along with the cross-wicks need to be updated to point the links to the Go Comics mirror.
Unfortunately US Acres does not have a mirror and cannot be accessed anymore outside the Internet Archive. Any missing comics not archived may have to have their links purged from the US Acres articles via Weblinks Are Not Examples .
The Garfield flash games may have been archived on other sites so any links to them may need to point to the sites that have them saved instead of garfield.com.
There might be other matters, but these are the three main ones I'd figure to bring up here.