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open Family secret Literature
A child is adopted into a family of immigrants. References are occasionally made by the family to some unknown person. The reader finds out eventually that this person is an older son in the family, who had been arrested and had died in prison before the family immigrated.
open concealement Literature
I search a trope about someone who can conceal informations or even the future to the eyes of seers.
openTrope Making Literature
Am I allowed to make my own trope? I am a writer and I want to upload my two story series to here but make it like readable on another site because I don't think uploading my whole story onto TV Tropes is allowed. I don't want to proceed unless I get a response from the mod team. Thanks!
openFound a 4chan forum story, is Literature the right place for it? Literature
Luke: The Plague Son of Nurgle
While doing some cleanup work, came across the above which appears to be an unstructured forum story told by multiple people in 2009 and interspersed with comments from anonymous posters. It's not referenced anywhere else on google besides tvtropes and the forum links themselves.
What is the criteria for a web original forum work being listed? Does it need to have an attributable author? Does it need to have evidence of a reader base? Is there some other criteria we use? Does it need to be something someone can actually pinpoint and consume with a clear line between the work itself and people commenting on it? Is there any kind of minimum length requirement?
When I came across this one, it didn't really seem to fit the "Literature" media space to me though I know WebSerialNovels do get classified under literature.
However, I'm not sure this forum story can even be classified as a novel so that's adding to my confusion.
The work page has 1 wick under "The Pig-Pen", 171 total inbounds, and looks to have been created on November 20, 2021 though the original 4chan threads look like they were all from November 2009.
openIncorrect work name Literature
It looks like somehow Horatio Hornblower is being displayed as Captain Horatio Hornblower, R.N. when it's put on trope pages, even under the Literature namespace (like here
), as well as the trope page for the book series. "Captain Horatio Hornblower R.N." is the name of a film adaptation, but the actual book series is just Horatio Hornblower. I don't think it's a "move the namespace" issue because the URL is HoratioHornblower, it just displays with the film name for some reason. Is there a way for a troper to fix this or does a mod need to do it?
openShould a work example be commented out if it doesn't state the title at all? Literature
Cleaning and sorting Virgin Power and found this example:
- A short story alternate history features a psychic girl who helps the Nazis win WWII. After she runs away, meets the hero and they both get captured and taken back to Berlin, she asks him to "depower" her. Also subverted, as it implies this will have no effect on her powers but the fact that the Nazis believe her powers have been neutralised is enough.
No work title but the example seems valid (aside from looking more like Justified Trope than Subverted Trope) so what should I do with it?
openTroper complaining on So I'm A Spider, So What? Literature
Warning: this post may contain spoilers for the ending.
Lately, I've noticed that AKITN made multiple edits that were so full of complaints in LightNovel.So Im A Spider So What and its YMMV page. While I can agree with some of the criticism, unfortunately even after I sent a complaining notifier, they still haven't responded. I would like some advice on how to deal with them as what parts of the complaints need to be edited out.
openAre the Japanese Kirby novels "confusing" or "pragmatic" adaptations? Literature
I already briefly talked about this with someone else via P Ms earlier, but to cut right to the chase: from what I've personally read from start-to-finish, a lot of the novel adaptations based on the games don't adapt everything, so they're "compressed" by that very nature. Some others seem to be "pragmatic" solely because either certain elements are chosen not to get adapted mostly because it wouldn't work with the medium or the elements that are included in books like "Kirby's Labyrinth Rescue" don't strictly come from one single game. I must admit, the "Laconic" wording for both tropes was kind of confusing, so this is the best way I can think of trying to describe both instances in my own words.
For reference, out of the 25 volumes that are currently released (or about to release), the following 11 volumes are direct adaptations of the games. These ones most likely qualify as "compressed" adaptations, even if there are some elements that only appear in these novels: - 星のカービィ ロボボプラネットの大冒険! [Kirby and the Great Planet Robobot Adventure!] - 星のカービィ 結成! カービィハンターズZの巻 [Kirby Clash Team Unite!] - 星のカービィ 決戦けっせん! バトルデラックス!! [Decisive Battle! Battle Royale!!] - 星のカービィ スターアライズ フレンズ大冒険!編 [Kirby Star Allies: The Great Friend Adventure!] - 星のカービィ スターアライズ 宇宙の大ピンチ!?編 [Kirby Star Allies: The Universe is in Trouble?!] - 星のカービィ 毛糸の世界で大事件! [Big Trouble in Patch Land!] - 星のカービィ スーパーカービィハンターズ大激闘!の巻 [Super Team Kirby's Great Battle!] - 星のカービィ カービィファイターズ 宿命のライバルたち!! [Kirby Fighters: The Destined Rivals!!] - 星のカービィ 天駆ける船と虚言の魔術師 [Lor Starcutter and a Magician of Falsehood] - 星のカービィ ディスカバリー 新世界へ走り出せ!編 [Kirby and the Forgotten Land: Start Running to the New World!] - 星のカービィ ディスカバリー 絶島の夢をうちくだけ!編 [Kirby and the Forgotten Land: Break Out of the Dream of Isolated Isles!]
These 6 volumes are mostly their own thing, but do feature the occasional element from the game here-and-there: - 星のカービィ あぶないグルメ屋敷!?の巻 [Kirby and the Dangerous Gourmet Mansion?!] - 星のカービィ くらやみ森で大さわぎ!の巻 [Kirby and the Big Panic in Gloomy Woods!] - 星のカービィ 大盗賊ドロッチェ団あらわる!の巻 [Kirby Meets the Squeak Squad!] - 星のカービィ メタナイトとあやつり姫 [Meta Knight and the Puppet Princess] - 星のカービィ プププランドで大レース!の巻 [Big Race in Pupupu Land!] - 星のカービィ デデデ大王の脱走大作戦! [King Dedede's Great Escape Mission!]
These 8 volumes, while based on game content and/or certain Japanese merchandising events, pretty much tell a unique overarching story through-and-through. The volumes listed here most likely are intended to be "pragmatic adaptations": - 星のカービィ 大迷宮のトモダチを救え!の巻 [Kirby's Labyrinth Rescue!] - 星のカービィ メタナイトと銀河最強の戦士 [Meta Knight and the Galaxy's Greatest Warrior] - 星のカービィ 虹の島々を救え!の巻 [Save the Rainbow Islands!] - 星のカービィ 夢幻の歯車を探せ! [Kirby and the Search for the Dreamy Gears!] - 星のカービィ メタナイトと黄泉の騎士 [Meta Knight and the Knight of Doom] - 星のカービィ カービィカフェは大さわぎ!?の巻 [Uproar at the Kirby Café?!] - 星のカービィ ナゾと事件のプププトレイン!?の巻 [The Mysterious Incident on the Pupupu Train?!] - 星のカービィ スターライト・シアターへようこそ!の巻 [Welcome to the Starlight Theatre!]
And now I ask you: what do you think would work best? Listing all the volumes as compressed adaptations? Listing them all as pragmatic adaptations? Or deciding which is which on a case-by-case basis?
openShould Buratino be included in Pinocchio's franchise page? Literature
Buratino is the protagonist of the 1936 Soviet book The Golden Key, or the Adventures of Buratino by Aleksei Tolstoy, a loose retelling of The Adventures of Pinocchio, during the time copyright laws in the Soviet Union were different, that got immensely popular in Russian children's literature and it's to this day famous in Russia. The book of course shares many similarities to the original novel, but also has several deviations and new characters. Can it be included in Franchise.Pinocchio, since it was explicitly inspired by it? And if yes, where would it be? Under adaptations, or under a new header for retellings and pastiches?
Edited by good-morningopenHow do i add something to the cutlist? Literature
I found a characters page for a book, but literally all of the folders are completely empty. It should probably be cut. attempt at link: A Face Like Glass
however, i'm not sure how to do that.
openWick Question Literature
I'm not sure if it strictly fits under this criteria, but... The Hellequin Chronicles is essentially one series spread across two - The Hellequin Chronicles and The Rebellion Chronicles or at least, one series leads directly into another (with a side-series, The Avalon Chronicles, in between). In other words, it's the same world, characters, and overarching Myth Arc. Currently, the main trope page only has tropes for the first series, and mentions the other two at the bottom. However, they don't have pages.
What I'm wondering is if we should add tropes in a separate category below, creating folders to separate them and dodge spoilers, or create an entirely new page for The Rebellion Chronicles.
openOrigin of a quote on the anti-nihilist page. Literature
So I have plans of getting a tattoo of the quote, "Don't cling to pain. Don't expect happiness. Don't fear loss. Accept reality as it is. Enjoy the good. Endure the bad." I was curious about the origin of the quote I've searched online but it seems that this page was the first location I created an account so I could check the history but was unable see who added it. It speaks to my personal philosophy, and has become my favourite quote overall, simple or not it resonated really well with me, If a troper was the original creator then well done I'd still like to credit them.
on an unrelated note, I really should have made an account years ago for the sole purpose of being able to keep dark mode on permanently.
openRestoring Page to Sandbox Literature
May I please have https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/BFF
restored into this sandbox: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Sandbox/BFF
Thank you!
openProtocol for Character Page Images Literature
I'm curious what the protocol is for images on character pages, specifically when there is no existing canon art of the characters. (This is probably most relevant for works that fall under the literature category.)
Sometimes, I see people use fan art, since there is no official character art. Is this acceptable, or is it preferable to just exclude images altogether in this case?
openCut Page Literature
Page under construction was cut. What do I need to do to restore it?
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/BFF
open Should we really be troping memoirs? Literature
So this page
just got made, which is Jennette McCurdy's new memoir and I don't really have a good feeling about the page. It comes dangerously close to (if not already over) the line of troping real people.
Anyone else get this feeling or is it just me?
openCan you add these fanfics? Literature
https://www.wattpad.com/story/318402028-spongebob-squarepants-the-curse-of-the-weresponge
https://www.wattpad.com/story/318498498-my-prankster-academia-episode-1-the-kitchen-of
https://www.wattpad.com/myworks/318254113-the-loud-house-thunder-yoshi-breakup-the-breakout
openOdd Stuff on Arthurian Legend Literature
I want to draw attention to a rather bizarre editing conflict on Myth.Arthurian Legend.
More than three years ago, a troper called Methuselah
added two new entries to the works list on Myth.Arthurian Legend. Here they are:
- Balla na Nathair Corónach, another pre-Roman tale, which also has versions once told/sung in Scotland, Cornwall, Ulster, Bretony, Galicia and Mann, was purportedly (i.e-attributed to him but most likely not written by him given his ficticious nature) written by Fionn Mac Cumhail to honor his Welsh rival (which is debatable considering the average Irish mythologian's attitude toward Arthur), and stylizes Arthur as a pro-Druid anti-Roman bastard (of mixed Roman and Welsh heritage) and nephew/heir of Emrys (his uncle Ambrosius, who is apparently a separate character from Merlin in the ballad) who married Guinevere to bring piece to Britain on the word of his adviser Myrddin (Merlin), although this peace later broke and Arthur avenges the breaking of the pact by attacking the Romans, and later burns the Guinevere analog for killing one of his pre-wedlock heirs. Other iterations are far more anachronistic.
- Reikningur á Hátíð Drekans, a semi-historical (in that it is mostly fable, although similar events did occur, although not during the period when the Welsh canon was being composed) account of a series of vengeance-raids by Celts and other native Bretons against Nordic settlements in Scandanavia. The oldest, least adulterated, and most clearly translated version was found in Iceland. It describes a Serpent/Dragon King (a coded title for one of the possible other inspirations of Arthur, who was allegedly a major Druidic leader) who led these attacks, occupied some villages for a few years, and even extracted tribute until the mid-Roman occupation. Later versions are also more anachronistic and incorporate more post-Norman Arthurian lore.
I consider myself halfway knowledgeable about medieval Arthurian lore. Yet I have never heard about these supposed Arthurian works. I checked some books, googled around, and found absolutely no information about these works. Though Google Translate suggests that "Balla na Nathair Corónach" is Irish and means "Wall of the Crowned Serpent" and "Reikningur á Hátíð Drekans" is Icelandic and means "Account of the Festival of the Dragon".
I also find that much of what is said about the supposed content of these works is hard to believe or does not make sense. For one, I am not aware of any Arthurian work from medieval Ireland; much less a "pre-Roman" one, given that Arthur is pretty much universally placed in time after the Roman occupation of Britain. The entries are also extremely confusingly written, lack focus, and are riddled with vagueness and self-contradictions. Because of this and because I couldn't find any proof for the existence of these works, I eventually deleted both entries. (This was more than two years ago.)
The entries stayed deleted for somewhat over half a year, then Methuselah returned and restored them, referring to my deletion as "vandalism" in their edit reason.
Next I sent Methuselah a private message telling them that I couldn't find any confirmation for the existence of these works, and asked them what their sources were or where I can get information about these works. They replied with a very condescending message in which they tried to present themself as some kind of expert on medieval literature and claimed that Balla na Nathair Corónach has been published in a book called The Celtic Heroic Age by John Koch and John Carey, and that Reikningur á Hátíð Drekans is a "fragment" of an Old Icelandic work called Möttuls saga.
Since then, I got myself a copy of The Celtic Heroic Age and, lo and behold, no Balla na Nathair Corónach. As for Möttuls saga, this is an Icelandic translation of a French Arthurian tale called Le lai du cort mantel (The Lay of the Mantle). I checked out a translation and several synopses, and (you know where this is going) found nothing which fits the material that Methuselah claims constitutes Reikningur á Hátíð Drekans.
I have decided against sending Methuselah another pm. I don't know if they are still active (their last edit was ten months ago), but in any case they have been lying about their sources (if they have any). My impression is that they're intentionally throwing academic-sounding language and work titles around so that others will believe they're an expert and won't question them.
Long story short: I want to delete both of Methuselah's entries for referring to inexistent works. But since I already deleted them once, I want to get consensus first to avoid an edit war. Do I have permission to proceed?
(I will send Methuselah a pm about this query.)
Edited by LordGroopenTom Franklin Literature
On my Facebook feed I saw where Beth Ann Fennelly wrote in one of her books that her husband (Tom Franklin) in HIS books always kills off a character named Colin. It seems like a good thing for Author Appeal, but I haven't read any Tom Franklin. My question is: could this be not just a joke?

Alright so I made A Deal with a Demon. And had all the letters capitalised. This is how the author on her personal website
has it [https://www.amazon.com/A-Deal-With-A-Demon-3-book-series/dp/B09HNBH9D7
and Amazon]] the people who sell it have it. Plus you know it's on the cover that that is how it's meant to look.
It got wiki worded to add lowercase letters to a and with but again their supposed to be Capatalised for this work. Can I get a revert.
Edited by miraculous