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openAstro City - Glamorax pronouns? Print Comic
There seems to be some ongoing back-and-forth on the Characters.Astro City page where the pronouns for a character named Glamorax keep being switched back and forth between 'they/them' and just the character's name/Glam. Looks like it's happened a few times over the last few years. I haven't read enough of the comic to weigh in (only a few scattered trades here and there), but it'd probably be good to settle it one way or the other.
Asked on the forum topic for Astro City (as far as I saw there was only one from 2014) as well, no answer yet.
open YMMV problems in Green Lantern Print Comic
So, almost a month I removed these entries from the YMMV page of Green Lantern.
- Memetic Loser: It's either Hal, for losing his mind despite supposedly being one of the most willful individuals in the universe and becoming his own antithesis (and having a panned movie and generally being the least liked lantern) or Kyle for not being able to catch a break to save his life.
- Memetic Personality Change: In Fan Works focused on the Justice League where Hal is a secondary character, he'll usually be portrayed as a tryhard constantly attempting to prove his worth to the rest of the league. In fact portrayals of him like this are more common now than ones with Aquaman, which is saying something. This has only gained more steam following his appearance in The LEGO Batman Movie as The Friend Nobody Likes.
These entries only applied to specific portions of the fanbase and do not represent the Green Lantern fanbase as a whole, and in my opinion, don't really add much to the page and are just there to make fun of otherwise beloved characters in a page that, in theory, is supposed to be neutral. Troper DBZFan102 added them back with the justification:
See the webcomic parody 'Injustice For All' for just one example of Hal being portrayed like this in Fan Works. Basically anyone who never read Hal will depict him negatively, and Kyle similarly gets a bad rap for his Trauma Conga Line of a life... Also, see There Is No Such Thing As Notability. Examples don't need citations, least of all ones about trends inside a fandom, and least of all ones that are YMMV, and thus based on opinion. That's like asking for an example of Dex-Starr being called Rage Cat in a fan work for the Memetic Mutation example.
I still stand by my earlier opinion, not to mention that a single fanwork doesn't speak for the entire fanbase, but maybe I'm just taking this way too seriously. What do you think?
openWas There a Mass Cleanup? Print Comic
I was looking over Inferiority Superiority Complex, and noticed that a bunch of examples that used to be there were gone, and a look at the history confirmed that someone named Zealots deleted a whole bunch of examples, with no explanation as to why. Was this part of a trope cleanup effort, or was Zealots doing an unsanctioned purge?
Edited by StrixObscuroopenMisuse of RecycledScript? Print Comic
While looking at Ms. Marvel (2014), I came across this:
- Recycled Script: Kamala's random airplane trip to visit relatives in Pakistan feels an awful lot like Nico's random airplane trip to visit relatives in Japan in A-Force which G. Willow Wilson had also wrote for.
Is this really a valid example? Because the random plane trip in A-Force was just one scene, whereas the trip in Ms. Marvel was the plot of an entire issue. I am also, like, 98% sure that this was written by Kyrtuck, who has a history of misusing tropes and also trying to sneak their opinions into examples.
Edited by StrixObscuroopenCancelled comic Print Comic
New Warriors 2020 seems like it's cancelled. (You know, the one with the superheroes Safespace, Snowflake and Screentime.)
I can't find it listed anywhere, except a webpage
that doesn't seem like it's gonna offer it for sale the supposed release day.
Should we cut list it?
Edited by MichaelKatsuroopenRemoving Duplicate Images? Print Comic
I searched the Image List for images that I uploaded, and discovered a couple of cases where I accidentally uploaded the same image more than once. Is there a way to cutlist the duplicate images?
openDC Future State Print Comic
DC Future State already has a YMMV page available, but I must question the validity and necessity for it in the first place. For now, the entries are:
- Author's Saving Throw:
- Fans have, at the very least, responded rather positively to the amount of genuine diversity in the different creative teams after DC's ongoing titles were largely male dominated in the last several years. This includes the likes of Vita Ayala, Marguerite Bennett, Mariko Tamaki, Stephanie Phillips, Marguerite Sauvage, Nicola Scott, and Alitha Martinez among the writers and artists.
- After years of creating some of the most gorgeous artwork of Dick Grayson, Nicola Scott was selected to do the artwork on the Nightwing miniseries.
- Ensemble Dark Horse: Yara Flor already has fans excited being a Latina member of the Wonder Woman family and an Amazon contemporary for Jon and Damian with them hoping she'll be a Canon Immigrant when the event is over.
The event hasn't even premiered yet, so we don't even know how are tropes are gonna apply or even if they will apply at all. What should we do?
openBatman controversy Print Comic
Over these past few weeks, troper Nyame has been doing some... unorthodox edits on several pages from the Batman franchise, such as Batman's character page, the main YMMV page and the YMMV page for Batman (Rebirth). All these edits talk about Batman's character flaws (like his turbulent relationship with his family) and the declining quality of Tom King's run, and well, they come off as very opinionated.
I get that Batman is one of the most controversial characters in all of fiction and that YMMV is for opinions, but these are very detailed edits and, well, I'm starting to suspect that Nyame is using these pages to describe what he/she doesn't like about Batman. I don't want to start any conflict with Nyame, I just want to see if his edits are valid, but the only way I could do that if I read all the Batman comics from the New 52 to the present and that will take me a very long time. If anyone could help me with this topic, I would certainly appreciate it.
openDC Infinite Frontier Print Comic
DC Infinite Frontier already has a YMMV page available, but I must question the validity and necessity for it in the first place, for the same reason I complained about the YMMV page of DC Future State. For now, the only entry is:
- Author's Saving Throw: Though not the entire point, it seems many of the creative decisions being pushed forward are in an attempt to undo or pave over the legacy of New 52 and the Dan DiDio era of DC. Among them, Wally West is taking primary focus in the Flash book after years of being a Creator's Pest, pre-Flashpoint continuity and history seems to have been restored, the Justice Society is back, the universe is tonally much more brighter with more focus on the building towards the future, and the legacies that have built around tentpole characters are being embraced. Essentially, there's a DC Rebirth like quality to the hype, except this time, the people behind-the-scenes responsible for New 52 are gone, so there's less chance for back-sliding.
The event hasn't even premiered yet, so we don't even know how is this trope gonna apply or even if it will apply at all. What should we do?
Edited by MasterHeroopenAvengers 1000000 B.C. Print Comic
I just found Avengers 1000000 BC, a page which was created almost a month ago.
And I'm not sure why the page itself exists, as Avengers 1000000BC isn't a work, it's a group of characters that have appeared in various works (8 major appearances
in 3 different works, and 6 minor appearances
in 3 different works if the Marvel wiki is to be believed).
So I don't get why they have their own page, and not just have their tropes listed on either a character page, or just the relevant tropes listed in the pages of the work's they've appeared in.
open50/60s-era sitcom lies? Print Comic
In the Newspaper Comics article on Tv Tropes it says “One of the chief reasons comics haven't adapted to the more cynical comedy tastes of the 21st century (or non-English-speaking countries), being seemingly stuck with the tired jokes and premises associated with 50s/60s-era sitcoms lies” and it uses that as the reason why people turned to Webcomics more. I’m curious on what that means specifically.
openBatman controversy 2.0 Print Comic
Our favorite Dark Knight never seems to stay away from controversy for too long, and this time, it's two-fold.
First, Batman's folder in the DCAMU: Justice League character page has Adaptational Wimp, which says: "Downplayed. This incarnation of Batman is still a good fighter and he has his moments like getting the upper hand over Green Lanterns in the Justice League movies. But in his own films, aside from being able to defeat Deathstroke, himself an even worse Adaptational Wimp, in Son of Batman, he tends to get the short end of the stick in his titular films. In Batman Vs Robin he spent most of his fights taking a beating from various Talons, Robin, and the main Talon, while his comics counterpart was able to defeat Talon even after being famished and dehydrated for days. He also spends much of Bad Blood being captured and playing the role of Badass in Distress so he can be saved by the Bat-family. And in Hush, while he did much better in fights, he still wasn't able to defeat the eponymous villain on his own in the end and required the help of Catwoman to do so, whereas his comic books counterpart was able to beat The Riddler when he had been similarly physically enhanced by Venom during the Knightfall story. Justified with Damian. In Apokolips War, a brainwashed Batman reveals that the only reason Damian won is because he let him, and during their last fight he proves to his son that the latter is no match for him."
Adaptational Wimp has been frequently misused over these past few years, but the trope's definition is: "when their usefulness, agency, and contribution to the plot is significantly reduced. It is not this trope when the character "only" easily defeated twenty Mooks instead of a hundred; it's when the character struggled to take down even one. Realize too, that this may be intentional and in a long-running series may have the character take a level in badass to provide Character Development and align them better with the original version."
Then, the Dork Age entry in the YMMV page of Batman (Rebirth) was deleted and added yet again, because apparently, a consensus hasn't been reached about whether or not Tom King's run can be considered a Dork Age. Dork Age, much like Adaptational Wimp, has seen its fair share of misuses, but an entry in a long-running franchise can be a Dork Age if it qualities for any of the following criteria: 1. It has to be a critical and financial disappointment
2. Any changes it brought to the series must be undone by later installments
3. Whenever it's referenced by other entries, it has to be done in a negative manner.
So, what do you say?
Edited by MasterHeroopen Fan favorite problems? Print Comic
Someone keeps changing an actual fact to a common fanfic set up and now just claims "word of God" but it's not even close. I even made a review explaining why they were wrong and people flagged it saying I was just ranting. Isn't that what reviews are for?
Edit for clarity:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/Daken
The same person keeps changing facts and even claiming the current author made it canon, it isn't. They even added flair to make it sound good. I found zero proof of it. There's one very active author who likes the idea he's ace and a sociopath, etc, but it isn't canon fact.
Edited by night_goddess666openMisnamed and empty work pages Print Comic
So it seems that some people are jumping the gun on some comics coming out as part of DC Infinite Frontier, with one page being misnamed and another being trope-less.
Justice League 2021 isn't the correct name, because the year indicates what year the series starts, not a run. This comic is just another writer's run on Justice League (2018), not a new series onto itself. It should be renamed something like Brian Michael Bendis' Justice League or Justice League (Infinite Frontier) to keep with convention. Also, one of the examples is just kinda weird, so maybe the person was jumping the gun in making it? The Mythology Gag is just... a thing that happened before. It isn't so much a gag as a thing they're doing again.
I just created The Flash (Infinite Frontier), since it is just a new creative team's run on the previous series, but is large enough a change in status quo that it deserves its own page. I think that the page I mentioned above should be moved to Justice League (Infinite Frontier).
The other thing is Green Lantern (2021). It's properly named, since the series is starting in 2021 and not a continuation of another series' numbering or anything. However, that page has no tropes at all and has been like that for a month now.
openDC Infinite Frontier 2.0 Print Comic
DC Infinite Frontier is in full swing and its YMMV page is up and running, but some of its entries come off as opinionated writing. In the main page, Continuity Snarl has the following context: "Minor case, but the whole concept of Barry Passing the Torch back to Wally, as it's presented as if Barry was giving Wally a promotion. While meta-wise, Barry had been treated as the "real" Flash by DC's editorial, and Wally had been Demoted to Extra with his return (and had suffered a major Heroic BSoD in the last few years thanks to being a Cosmic Plaything), in-universe the two were meant to be about equal, in the same manner as Hal Jordan and John Stewart, so this shouldn't be a case of Wally 'taking Barry's role' so much as Barry leaving Wally to handle their shared duties on his own, something they both know he's more than capable of doing. It is a minor case however, as this somewhat makes sense with their respective flaws; Wally has cripplingly low self-esteem despite his greater power levelnote even putting aside his recent Mobius Chair powers which elevated him to Godhood, Wally is a cosmic powerhouse, while Barry has had It's All About Me tendencies in recent years."
The YMMV page lists Barry Allen as Unintentionally Unsympathetic with this context: "Barry Allen once again falls victim to this when his whole sequence with Wally West features Barry stating he is leaving to help President Superman deal with something Multiverse-related. In regards to his departure, Barry tells Wally that he's now the Flash and is leaving Earth-0 under Wally's care. While this is meant to be seen as if Barry's passing the torch to Wally, aside from the glaringly obvious issue that Wally was already the Flash for years, the whole thing comes across as if Barry's patronizing Wally. The idea that Barry thinks he needs to give Wally his blessing after everything Barry did that ended up practically destroying Wally's life is incredibly galling on Barry's part."
I admit I haven't read The Flash comics in years, but this comes off as an attempt to demonize Barry for, yet again, the Flashpoint event. Last year, Barry was given an entry in Designated Hero but this was later disproven
, which is why I'm bringing this topic up again.
Pandering to the Base has this context: "Given that the event is intended to be about realigning DC to fix their recent mistakes, it's gotten some heat from New 52 fans, particularly over benching Barbara Gordon to return her being to Oracle, and to having Barry Allen be Put on a Bus to give Wally West the Flash title again, as well as being lighter and more idealistic instead of Darker and Edgier. For most fans, long-term and new, this is fixing some severe mistakes, but for the Vocal Minority who joined the fandom during the New 52, it feels like fans of the pre-New 52 DC are Running the Asylum." —- Also, Win The Crowd is becoming a bit bloated, with examples like:
- The creative team of Mariko Tamaki and Dan Mora on Detective Comics is considered by many to be an improvement over the last one, which many derided as So Okay, It's Average.
- To say nothing of actually keeping to what they inferred with Speed Metal and having Wally West once again the lead character of The Flash. Some Barry fans are mad, but general Flash fans consider this franchise rerailment and Wally West's fanbase are ecstatic. Helping matters is the initial arc is solicited to feature the Flash Family, something that was deeply missed by the fans during the last decade.
- Mitigating the issue with Barry was the announcement of an Infinite Frontier event that will chronicle what he's doing with the Justice Incarnate team, along with plans for a Justice Incarnate ongoing to launch after helps avoid the feeling he's being tossed away.
- Also, while not officially announced and confirmed, the statement that there are plans for a Batgirls book co-staring Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain, with Barbara Gordon as their mentor, has fans of the Batgirl legacy hyped, especially as this was a commonly suggested fan-idea.
- Fan reception to Brian Michael Bendis on Justice League is naturally mixed thanks to his equally-vocal Fandom and Hatedom, but people are responding well to the line-up, which has avoided the Big Seven focusnote which had been the case for the last decade and people were growing bored of, primarily because it was considered creatively uninspired and quite limiting to what the Justice League can be, to instead a mixed team featuring new characters like Naomi, old classics like Green Arrow and Black Canary, and unexpected ones like Hippolyta and Black Adam.
This entries come off as knee-jerk reactions instead of, well, entries that could have a long-term position in this page.
So, what do you say?
openUnauthorized Example Sectionectomy Print Comic
back in September, Gate Star X cut all the examples from ComicBook.Ant Man with no edit reason. was this discussed anywhere? it doesn't look like they were moved somewhere else.
e: my mistake; they didn't cut all the examples, but they did cut all the ones related to specific incarnations of the character, leaving only the ones that apply to the character in general.
Edited by ChloeJessicaopenWhat Do I Call This? Print Comic
I want to make a page for the current Iron Man comic. The problem is, with current naming convention (I was recently told we're moving away from using the writer's name in the work name), the only thing to really name it is Iron Man 2020 because it started last year and isn't part of some publishing initiative or anything.
Except... there already is an Iron Man 2020. Two, in fact. The Iron Man 2020 page is used by a series that is legitimately called Iron Man 2020, which is itself reusing a name from a graphic novel also called Iron Man 2020.
What should I call the page for Iron Man Comic That Started In 2020? And should we make Iron Man 2020 a disambiguation page for both Iron Man Comic That Started in 2020 and Comic Called Iron Man 2020 From the Year 2020?
Edited by FuzzyBarbarianopenAttention all Viz Shonen Jump subscribers Print Comic
The page images for Viewer Species Confusion and Older Than They Look come from low-quality scanslations. Could someone with a Shonen Jump subscription replace them with the official translations (in PNG format)? Viewer Species Confusion comes from My Hero Academia chapter 15 (see here
) while Older Than They Look is from Yu-Gi-Oh! chapter 45.
openHow to make a new page? Print Comic
I wanted to make a page about Mike Mignola, but I do not know how to, how do we create new pages for creators on TV Tropes, is there a process we have to go through first?

I want to write a page for the S Pider-Man storyline Sins rising, but I don't know how to actually start a works page.