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openEdit war and possesiveness of Nikke articles Videogame
Troper True Shadow 97 has has engaged in edit war over people changing edits they have made on entries about the player character of video game Goddess of Victory: NIKKE.
They have left comments in the articles that clearly show they feel possesive over the way the player character is presented.
The first time I noticed this was with this edit:
I removed a note thar tried to argue the canonicty of the entry.
They sent me several pm arguing about whether the side events are canon or not, they finally rewrote the entry here.
Did not contend because my main problem was with the note added and I can see the argument from Rapi's POV.
The second problem came when they added yet another note to downplay /argue against one of the entries on the Really Gets Around entry on the protagonist (Nikke is a harem gacha, so the protagonist gets physically intimate with SOME of the girls in the side stories).
I removed this comment because I felt it was not only unnecessary, but wrong as the developers don't really make a distinction between main story and side stories, everything is considered canon.
They reverted the entry and added a new comment justifying itself here.
At this poit I felt the troper clearly has a wonk over the harem aspect of the game and is possesive of entries that downplay Rapi's position as the canon love interest (it is a sentiment I've seen expressed elsewhere on reddit and twitter, where people take issue with the Commander having intimate relationships with other characters, so they argue that these instances are not really valid because they never happen in the main story).
I made a previous ask the tropers entry that goes into more detail here. Never took any action because I got no feedback on it.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=145452&type=att
Their last edit remained unchanged for months until some weeks ago when user dinur7.
This came along with a change in the description of the protagonist that to note them as a player avatar.
True Shadow 97 then reverts both changes to how they were before, including the Really Gets Around entry that waa already edited by them, and adds yet another comment justifying their reversion besdies the one they added when they reverted my change.
The hidden comments in question.
"Commander is mentioned as being popular with many Nikkes in the main story using various phrasings, but the Downplayed part of the entry remains factually accurate: none of the events that are relevant to the Campaign Story as of Chapter 42, such as Dirty Backyard or D.ARK HERO involve him getting hot and heavy with anyone."
"The clarification in the following entry was previously removed as "unnecessary" on the grounds of an increasing amount of events getting interconnected and some of them being canonized by the main story, such as Helm's bond story. Clarification rephrased for improved relevance and restored on the grounds of many players believing that any of Commander's romantic or sexual escapades are canon to said main story (which is possible, but hasn't been established yet, while Mihara and Yuni's bond stories are explicitly non-canon due to directly contradicting the events of Chapter 4) and none of the events that have been explicitly canonized (such as Dirty Backyard) feature Commander entering relationships with anyone."
His argument that Dirty Backyard doesn't support the Commander being in other relationships is factually wrong, its part of a chain of side stories that have the commander involved directly with three of the nikke involved in the ongoing plot.
Edited by MrSeykeropenEdit War?
So, um here's something weird. The following happened, in March, Lilybelle changed
an entry from this:
- In Wish, despite the fact the movie tries to make him seem narcissistic, Magnifico's reasons as to not grant certain wishes are seen as logical and help make sure his kingdom doesn't lose stability. Though him giving false hope in the process may be dubious.
To this:
- In Wish, despite the movie trying to make him seem like a narcissistic monster from the beginning, King Magnifico's reasoning for not granting vague wishes that could destabilize his kingdom — i.e. Asha's grandfather wants to "inspire future generations" but Magnifico can't scry what they will be inspired to do — is logical enough, especially given his backstory (he lost his family and homeland to brigands and became a Self-Made Man, and not wanting to lose what he's built with Rosas he's become a Control Freak). Though him giving false hope in the process (by not just returning ungranted wishes and the memories thereof) may be dubious, he's not a power-hungry Sorcerous Overlord who needs to be defeated until after he goes Jumping Off the Slippery Slope due to Asha's subsequent actions.
I thought it was too focused on downplaying his evil and blaming Asha or trying to argue that she was in the wrong (plus stuff like his backstory is not relevent to him having a point on not granting wishes), so I restored the old one
.
Then Lilybelle changed it to this
without discussing it anywhere:
- In Wish, King Magnifico's reasoning as to why he won't grant certain wishes and won't return them to their makers to try achieving on their own (which they cannot do without the wish itself, owing to Laser-Guided Amnesia) is because vague ones such as "to inspire future generations [through music]" could lead to terrible things ("...inspire what?"). The thought of losing his control over the multicultural, peaceful, near-utopia of Rosas, which he established from the ground up after losing his family and home to bandits as a youth, underpins his self-serving but logical actions in the present. Asha's argument against this is that he's giving the residents false hope — everyone knows not every wish will be granted, just not why — that she's sure everybody in the kingdom is inherently good, and that Magnifico could just fix things if they do go wrong. The script has him Jumping Off the Slippery Slope from sometimes-petty monarch to narcissistic would-be Sorcerous Overlord to justify everybody else turning against him.
Which is so similar that I am unsure if this counts as an edit war. It should be noted that Lilybelle has had issues
with edit warring in regard to Wish before as well.
openWhat's the burden of proof for side content?
The Cool Autistic Gamer 774 is a YouTube channel that does edits and reanimations of Smiling Friends. With Season 3, these edits have started to include voice acting and animation that appears almost indistinguishable from the show itself and have been released within hours of the main episode's air time, so fan consensus seems to be that The Cool Autistic Gamer is either an elaborate bit from the official creators or a marketing stunt.
Here's my question: TCAG has never appeared in an official cut of the show and there's no official confirmation one way or the other about who made it, but the character has a character folder on the page. What's the burden of proof necessary to decide this character is actually from the show and should be on the "official" page? Does it matter? Are there even rules that cover this phenomenon? Am I wildly overthinking something from a show that doesn't take itself that seriously to begin with?
Edited by TheMasterPandaopenEdit War in Homeward Bound II Film
So in Homeward Bound II: Lost in San Francisco, Valinante added edits that claimed that Chance didn't forgive Sassy and Shadow at all after Delilah leaves him.
Hero Gal 2347 removes and/or alters them with this reason:
- A lot of the segments in Broken Pedestal, This Is Unforgivable! and Laser-Guided Karma seem to be a bit of an exaggeration. Yes, Chance understandably loses his temper over the incident with Shadow and Riley interfering in his relationship with Delilah, but he acts the same way he has for the past two movies when he reveals himself to Shadow and Sassy after the incident with Ashcan and Pete. There's no sign of a permanent grudge.
Valinante readds the This Is Unforgivable! entry.
I removed it with an admittedly rude reason (which i apologize for) and sent them a notifier quoting the Hero Gal's reason (if that's not okay I also apologize.
Valinante sent me a rather rude message that basically amounts to "Chance didn't say he forgave them, so he didn't." and disregards him saving them proving otherwise. And regardless I don't think an optimistic and upbeat movie would have such a pessimistic quality like "no forgiveness between friends".
Is it alright if I take this here? Does something further need to be done?
Edited by RedBerryBlueCherryopenWhen is it appropriate to link to Tropes Are Tools in work pages?
My question night as well be "When should you link to any Administrivia pages in work pages?", but I don't want to get too ahead of myself so I'll just limit myself to the title.
It always feels weird seeing any Administrivia page on a work page, but that in and of itself isn't a valid reason to remove it. I do often see Tropes Are Tools specifically when Tropes Are Not Bad/Good would be used instead, and I feel like that in and of itself isn't appropriate, but I'd like to build up more consensus.
openPrivileged Young Woman with a Point to Prove
Is there a trope for when a young woman who's had a lot of privilege and advantages wants to prove herself in her chosen career? Like, she wants to show that she can be her own person regardless of her family connections.
Edited by SuperTroperopenSpeculative troping on the voice cast
Troper SutairuMasuta has made some edits
on Characters.Final Fantasy Tactics Characters regarding the voice cast, in particular that Jennifer English voiced a character named Ovelia Atkascha. However, I couldn't find any official source that English voiced Ovelia, whether it's on the official announcement
or the game's BTVA page
.
I sent them a notifier about the source and they sent me the announcement trailer
but there still isn't any confirmation that English voiced the character. When I told them about this, they just told me to delete it myself and ask English on social media. This immediately set off alarm bells in my brain so I'm asking here on what should be the best course of action.
openAvoiding an edit war
Drope has just removed
this entry I originally added on Fanon.Hazbin Hotel, on the grounds that it's "outdated fanon".
- Although there are a lot of theories about who Alastor's soul is bound to, him being soul-bound to Lilith is the theory that's most commonly implemented in fan works, as not only does it correlate with canon coincidences, but it also explains his Berserk Button over it in the most insecure and ironic way, leaving open the possibility of Charlie changing on how she sees him.
I think just deleting the entry wasn't the right way, since the page itself features several other entries citing examples of Fanon that have been Jossed in canon.
Thus, I'd like to re-add the entry with a re-write:
- Before "It's a Deal" revealed that Alastor had made his secret deal with Rosie, there were a lot of theories about who Alastor's soul was bound to, but him being soul-bound to Lilith was the theory that was most commonly implemented in fan works, as not only did it correlate with canon coincidences at the time of Season 1, but it would have also explained Alastor's Berserk Button over it in the most insecure and ironic way, leaving open the possibility of Charlie changing on how she sees him.
Sent a PM to Drope so they can see this.
openNot Fond of a Change Done to "Rabbit Season, Duck Season"
Hey, I was just over on the Duck Season, Rabbit Season trope page and was dismayed to see that someone saw fit to rip out pretty much all the quotes. So basically the trope has been reduced to talking about the routine but not actually showing it? That was the whole fun with that page, to see all those gags in one easy to find place. How are people supposed to get the humor of the routines without actually knowing how they went?
Now if this was a move to shorten the length of the page, fine. But what real!y irks me is that rather than transfer the lines to the Quote page, the guy who did this just left them in the wind. Now, if I could, I'd scour through the history section and put the deleted lines on the alternate page myself, but it'd be too much of an undertaking for me. Any chance an Admin or somebody would be willing to add the quotes?
openSpeculatory Entry on Hazbin Hotel page.
The character page for Hazbin Hotel: Heaven had a folder on it specifically referring to the "Elders of Heaven" and treats them like a legitimate group of characters... except they aren't. Aside from a single line from Charlie in the very first episode, there's no indication they as a group exist at all and wasn't just a catchall term used to refer to Heaven's authority, especially since one of the so-called "elders" is Sera the High Seraphim, and its all but said she is the leader of Heaven, aided by the aforementioned first episode depicting Sera alone when Charlie mentions "Heaven" making the "heartless decision" to conduct the Exterminations, and the only beings said to outrank her being God himself and the "Speaker of God". So I deleted
the folder on the basis that the group was a fanon concept.
Despite this, Kronger 3124 readded it
while claiming they do exist because of that first scene and an unrelated scene from the song "More Than Anything" where Lucifer shields Charlie from a generic group of angels, Kronger claiming they are the same angels from when Charlie mentioned the "Elders", despite the designs not being the same nor even being consistent in the alleged depiction from the first episode. Evidence: Scene of the "Elders" including Sera and "biblically accurate angels"
◊, Scene of the "Elders" scolding Lucifer with six generic humanoid silhouettes
◊, and Scene from "More Than Anything" depicting the angels allegedly the same as the "Elders"
◊. The only thing suggesting the ones from the second and third pictures are the same characters is the shape of the halos, which alone is not evidence enough to suggest they are the so called "Elders", especially since several characters have been shown to have similar looking Halos and when it contradicts the one that depicts Sera among them.
My point being is that, as of now, it is still fanon that these so called "elders" are a legitimate group and not just a term used to refer to the older angels to contrast Lucifer being the young "dreamer", and attempting to trope them as if they were is pure speculation.
As such, requesting permission to remove it without instigating an Edit War.
Edited by RebelFalconopenRegarding the deleted autism examples
This thread: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=147690&type=att
about a troper mass-removing references to autism has been locked as resolved, so I'm opening a new thread for this question.
The thread mentions that one of the deleted entries (on the Real Life section of Little Professor Dialog) mentioned Dr. Asperger himself, so I looked it up out of curiosity on what he'd said. I ended up reinstating the entry after rewriting it to, hopefully, be a bit more carefully worded (after all, it discusses diagnostic criteria). It now reads like this:
- The Little Professor speech is one of the traits associated with Asperger Syndrome. Dr. Hans Asperger, who identified the condition, would playfully refer to his patients who had it as "the little professors". Note that people may speak like this for many reasons, so by itself this is not necessarily a sign of autism.
But I'm having second thoughts. Is this, apart from the Dr. Asperger quote, a useful example of how the trope can occur in real life, or is it just on the level of gossip that encourages armchair diagnoses? Do we want these kind of Real Life entries? Just looking for input before we start restoring the deleted examples, because there may be more like this.
Edited by GnomeTitanopenProblematic edits
So troper Shadowking 5423 recently made the page for Vampires, Trolls and Witches OH MY!!. Myself and another troper made some edits related to their work and sent them notifiers to help improve their formatting and grammar. However, when I checked back earlier, I found that they reverted an edit the other troper had made in favor of an edit that had both grammar and indentation issues. This shows that they are either not understanding or not getting the edit notes myself and the other troper have sent. I don't want this to break into an edit war, but I also would like some help on how to get through to this guy/
Shadowking 5423's edit history for the fic: Here
My edit history: Here
Other troper's edit history: Here
openWanting to avoid an edit war
This was deleted and replaced from YMMV.The Legend Of Heroes Trails Through Daybreak:
- Memetic Loser: Prior to the release of the first Daybreak game, Elaine received ridicule among some fans, whether it be because they either thought she was won't be Van's Love Interest due to her status as his Childhood Friend and Agnès being billed as the game's main heroine or being Overshadowed by Awesome by Shizuna. She did manage to shake off that reputation regarding the former when the game itself shows that Van has more romantic tension with her than any of the other girls.
I feel like in cases like these, it can be kept as a historical example but I wanna make sure cause I don't wanna cause any drama.
openPlaying With Trivia/YMMV Cleanup?
I have been noticing a ton of Trivia and YMMV pages that have entries playing with these types of tropes, despite the fact that YMMV and Trivia tropes cannot be played with. Is there a sort of cleanup thread for this issue? If not, then I might as well consider starting one myself, since I do want to remove and fix these types of entries.
openChanging the title on Rabbit Ears Productions Page Western Animation
So, I was wondering about how do I change the title on a trope page? I wanted to change the title on the Rabbit Ears Productions page to Rabbit Ears Entertainment, since Rabbit Ears Productions was the old title name that the company had for itself during the 1980s and the 1990s. Nowadays, they go by the name Rabbit Ears Entertainment.
openPermission to a re-add some things from an entry of mine that's been condensed Western Animation
A while ago, I added this entry to This Image Is Not an Example:
- Intercom Villainy: The image depicts Alastor in his radio station from the "Stayed Gone" song sequence in the Hazbin Hotel episode "Radio Killed the Video Star". Point is, although Alastor is a villain, he's the Token Evil Teammate of the show's heroes rather than an enemy of them, and in context he has never used his radio system to properly talk to enemies in the usual ways implied by the trope (rather, he uses it to terrorize the inhabitants of Hell and make any feats he succeeds at known). Plus, the aforementioned song sequence involves him joining midway through "Stayed Gone" to interrupt Vox's (the enemy in context, and one of the actual antagonists) performance and curb-stomp the latter's attempt at damaging his public image, with the audience being supposed to root for Alastor rather than Vox.
Some time later, Amonimus heavily condensed
the entry for being too long when compared to other entries on the page.
- Intercom Villainy: The trope is about a villain taunting the hero from a safe location. During the scene, Alastor is a Nominal Hero, who mocks Vox, his rival and an actual villain, on public media.
I noticed that the condensed entry now lacks a link to the work page in question like most other entries on the page do (plus some important aspects regarding the trope itself), so I'd like to change it to this:
- Intercom Villainy: The trope is about a villain taunting the hero from a safe location via a remote communication system. During the scene from Hazbin Hotel, Alastor (the character pictured in the image), a Nominal Hero, mocks Vox, his rival and an actual villain, on public media, in the middle of a Quarreling Song between the two.
May I go ahead with the change? I'm asking because I had previously included the pothole in the original entry pre-condensation, and want to make it clear that I'm not intending to start an Edit War.
Edited by Inky100openWhen whole scenes of a movie are published before the movie itself Film
I've been looking at Creating A Work Page For An Unreleased Work. Either I'm missing something or it doesn't mention cases where scenes are published on, say, YouTube (almost) in full before the movie itself did. For example, TRON: Ares.
These started with more higher-profile "movie channels", so I'm not sure if it counts as a Content Leak.
Edited by DoomTayopenWhy this human posture (Butt in the Air/ Knee-Chested Posture) is not in tvtropes.org? Anime
Full Question: Why this human posture (Butt in the Air/ Knee-Chested Posture) is not in tvtropes.org? Please make it have a page in it.
The posture sample:
another sample:
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F263ht8nqple51.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D3a8dfb23855ec68ee082c87887fa0a78076e7434
This posture is almost present in Cartoons, video-games.... heck alot in anime nowadays for laughs. sometimes for *ahem arousement...
openBadass Decay Playing With misuse?
This was recently added to YMMV.Star Wars Clone Wars:
- Badass Decay: Ventress is first seen to eliminate her competition without even really trying, but in a manner that made her seem efficient and terrifying in combat, which appears again when dispatching Anakin's clone force. However, against Dooku and Anakin himself, she is first handily beaten and then ended up soundly losing in her only other duel, making her seem far from the threat she presented herself as. Possibly justified by the fact that Dooku and Anakin are the only other Force-users she faces in this series, and both have either equal or greater skill and experience than her, with Dooku being a full fledged Sith Lord and Anakin likely having more formal training as a Padawan.
YMMV cannot be played with and this seems a textbook Justifying Edit. But I've seen many other Badass Decay examples where the circumstances are justified, or presented as such by the examples. And Ventress was defeated by Dooku immediately after her showing, is that not too quick to count as decay as this establishes her baseline, powerful but overshadowed by Dooku? And why is it not seen as Ventress's skills being made lesser as opposed to Dooku being established as stronger as the work intended.
I've felt Badass Decay had a lot of issues over this, so asking here what to do.
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught

Hero The Brine removed an Ambiguously Bi entry I added to the character Kyoka Jiro, but their only edit reason was "The reasons provided of there being sings of her attraction/relationship with Momo were false.", yet they don't elaborate further nor do they provide any evidence.
Is that a sufficient enough edit reason for removal, or is it insufficient meaning I can restore it without enacting an Edit War?
The entry in question: