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openWhy people are so mean ?
Like I just asked that more tropes were dedicated to Buffy. Thank you, I'm aware of how the site got created but that doesn't mean it's doing it justice. What I mean is that no expy is done on Buffy characters when they (Buffy herself in particular) influenced a whole lot of characters. Kim Possible and Veronica Mars were confirmed to be inspired by Buffy, however none of them has Buffy written on their Expy. It bothers and I have a right to speak. What is wrong with you people ? At what point did I express a love (or even mentions) the name of Joss Whedon ? Never so why people are bringing that up. At what point did I speak badly or insult anybody ? None, so thank you to be polite. Like, what is this ? Twitter ?
open(Hopefully) Quick question
Is there quanity limit for Central Theme? For an example: Mobile Suit Gundam: The Witch from Mercury, a 25 episodes anime (two seasons, 12 episodes each, with one special prologue) currently has four entries for the trope.
I've feeling that the trope is going through the same state of expy (people just seeing things and speculate). It seems too much for a work of that length to has 4 "central"s; it might work if each theme is tied to a specific arc/season, but no, all four are applied to the whole series.
Edited by KuruniopenMass "similar characters" misuse? Western Animation
I've been planning on doing a general clean-up on both the main and character pages for Ghost Force, and there's a particularly big issue I noticed that I wanted a second opinion on. Specifically, I noticed a lot of usage of "character X is similar to character Y" tropes (Expy, Suspiciously Similar Substitute, Corrupted Character Copy, etc.) on the page that feels incredibly misused. Most if not all of them seem to be under the assumption that, since the same company produced both, all the Ghost Force characters are copies of Miraculous Ladybug characters to some extent just because they share appearances and/or character traits. I'm pretty sure that the tropes are being misused, but I wanted to double check here before removing them.
openCombining Character Sheets?
Hello. I made this ATT entry and no one answered. I think I understand why, because my description was way too vague without any proofs to make you guys see what I'm actually proposing.
(That thing has been locked)
So, after a discussion with another troper who also have been editing MOBA character pages, he gave me some input, I worked on some Sandbox pages for the months to come. And I'd like to re-open this discussion.
Proposal: I want to combine the character sheets of Honor of Kings and Arena of Valor
Reasons
- Honor of Kings received a global release.
- Both Honor of Kings and Arena of Valor are created by both Tencent Games and TiMi.
- There has been an update in lore that the world both games took place have been reimagined as 'neighboring regions' (Honor of Kings' world is called Primaela, whereas Arena of Valor's world is called Athanor)
- Both Honor of Kings and Arena of Valor have lent their characters to each other. So we can see some HOK characters being playable in AOV and vice versa. So we now have characters overlapping with each other.
- A lot of characters of Arena of Valor have their moveset taken from Honor of Kings with some small tweaks, creating 'counterparts' between two games without too much of being expies.
Here are the Sandbox pages:
I will still continue to work on these Sandboxes for other things, like making each folders more complete and of course, the GRAMMAR (Yes, once all folders are filled, I will run through the grammar check to all pages myself). But one vital question remains...
Is this an okay thing in TV Tropes? I'd like to know so I don't end up making all future works end up for nothing. (If this is not okay, then I will just share what I worked on to the default pages and modify appropriately, even if there will be similar entries.)
Thank you!
Edited by ChrisXopenReplacement Aesop items?
Clueless Aesop was cut, so I ask if these parts/examples can be moved elsewhere.
"A Fantastic Aesop or Space Whale Aesop can attempt to teach a lesson through allegory, only to introduce issues that undercut the applicability (e.g., "don't judge people by their race" in a show with Always Chaotic Evil races)." I believe this can be moved to Broken Aesop, correct?
* This is why the "Fighting is wrong!" aesop that 4kids forced upon Pokémon: The First Movie fell flat, since this is a series where everything is resolved by way of Pokémon battle. The Japanese version had a completely different aesop: the circumstances of one's birth don't make them any more or less important than someone else. The irony is that the censored version was far closer to Shudo's intended portrayal which was scrapped in favor of the version the finalized Japanese version used. The dub of Mewtwo Strikes Back—Evolution is Truer to the Text and follows the Japanese version's Aesop.
- The "2014 Equestria Girls Holiday Special" tackles the subject of cyber-bullying showing it has serious, lasting consequences. This is undermined by said consequences becoming an Informed Attribute as ultimately everything gets Easily Forgiven par for the series, a Happy Ending par for the genre, and goes without consequence or mention outside the issue par for the comics. It also had little to do with the holidays. The one argument against Broken Aesop is it does have stated but Informed Attribute consequences. Is it Broken if at odds with the feel of the ending as opposed to objective facts of it, or is it being at odds with what's objectively shown enough to count?
- The "Hydra Cap" storyline in Secret Empire, in which Captain America is revealed to be a secret fascist, was meant to show how even good people can be seduced by hate. But the whole thing was the result of a Cosmic Retcon by the villain as opposed to anything pertaining to Captain America, who was created by two Jewish men to promote their anti-Nazi views. The vagueness of the book on what Hydra actually believes is nullified by the extensive Putting on the Reich imagery. Many other plot details (like having Scarlet Witch, a Romani, join the fascists) and the accidental white supremacist imagery created by having Fash-Cap wielding Mjolnir (Thor's Hammer being a symbol used by many real-world hate groups), combine to show the setting wasn't suitable and the writers too clueless about the subject to handle it tactfully much less intelligently enough to make a valid point. Is it being revealed to be caused by Cosmic Retcon subverting the original intent Broken Aesop or Lost Aesop?
- My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic:
- "Over a Barrel":
- In-universe. Pinkie Pie decides to sing a song about sharing in order to get the bison and the cowponies to get along and agree. They do agree... on this being the worst performance they'd ever seen. Brought up again when the bison are about to call off the attack, but Pinkie Pie celebrates by singing another verse, enraging them and causing them to attack anyway.
- "Feeling Pinkie Keen": Lauren Faust has spoken about regretting the way the episode was handled. The intended aesop was "you should be open to different ideas and ways of perceiving the world, even if you don't particularly understand them." It unintentionally came off as "Atheists/scientists/skeptics are jerks and are demonstrably wrong." This could more or less be a realistic scenario in the sense of how science and logic aren't always the best ways to come up with an answer, but considering it's being applied in a show that regularly uses magic and spells to do a multitude of everyday tasks, it seemed like splitting hairs.
- "A Hearth's Warming Tail" is Yet Another Christmas Carol that, due to Never Say "Die", changes the consequences of the Scrooge-expy from causing death and dying unloved to Wendigos causing Endless Winter. Besides being an unrealistic consequence, it dilutes the True Meaning of Christmas Aesop since its importance is shown less as a question of morals and self-destruction but instead as a necessary ritual to prevent The End of the World as We Know It.
- "Fame and Misfortune" has the Mane 6 publish their friendship journal, which develops a Misaimed Fandom who make their lives miserable. The episode was intended as a Take That! towards invokeda certain part of the show's Periphery Demographic, but the difference between what the writer was meant to criticize (real people complaining about fictional characters who cannot be directly affected by their words) and what's portrayed in the show (characters harassing other characters who are just as real as they are) keeps the message from working perfectly. Add scenes where obvious strawmen complain about things like Twilight Sparkle becoming a princess and Fluttershy having Aesop Amnesia, things which are perfectly reasonable complaints about a fictional series but only become wrong when aimed at real people (in other words, a completely different scenario), and the Aesop turns from "don't be part of the Fan Dumb" to "having any criticism or disagreement about the show is wrong". The writer M.A. Larson considers this episode an Old Shame, to the point he not only leaves it off his filmography but went so far as to ask fans of the episode to not praise him for writing it, but Executive Meddling kept him from addressing the flaws.
- "Surf and/or Turf" has an allegory for divorce/separation; Terramar's father returning to being a hippogriff on Mount Aris and mother remain a seapony underwater in Seaquestria with Terramar torn between choosing with whom and which lifestyle to live and learning they'd both still love him despite his choice. But the show's kid-friendly nature meant downplaying the seriousness (the parents remain on good terms, Terramar choosing to live with both as they're within walking distance and he can magically change between hippogriff/seapony on a whim) such it never addresses the consequences one in this situation realistically would have to deal with.
- "Over a Barrel":
- OK K.O.! Let's Be Heroes: "Let's Not Be Skeletons" tries to have an anti-gun aesop, except: one, the show takes place in a universe where many characters have natural powers which are often equivalent in their danger to a gun, including characters who are explicitly villainous, meaning having a gun for protection makes even more sense in their world; and two, the gun analog doesn't actually kill or even harm in any way except turning people into living skeletons, making it more a nuisance than an actual threat. Not helping is that whenever a character brings up a good argument in favor of the controlers, it just gets ignored.
- A case of this due to Values Dissonance caused the Peppa Pig episode "Mister Skinnylegs" to be stricken from Australian airwaves. The plot of the episode is that spiders shouldn't be considered scary and are okay to have in the house. While that works fine in the show's native Britain and in North America, it's unacceptable in Australia because the country is loaded with venomous spiders, and actually includes some of the most dangerous spiders in the world.note To put this in perspective, a short list of "dangerous Australian spiders" would include the ubiquitous Red-Back Spider (a Black Widow with anger management issues), the White-Tailed Spider (highly venomous, and suspected of being the infamous "necrotizing spider", a spider whose bite causes your flesh to start rotting away whilst you're still alive) and the Sydney Funnelweb (a highly aggressive pseudo-tarantula known to have the most powerful venom in the world). Understandably, Australians don't particularly want small children to think it's okay to play with these things. Just Values Dissonance? Anything else?
The Aesop cleanup thread has been inactive for months so asking here first.
openI am having a little bit of trouble categorizing Qimir from The Acolyte as a character
I don't know where he fits better, expy, mirror character or Suspiciously Similar Substitute. Despite the blatant similarities between him and Kylo Ren, his whatever with Osha being an intentional parallel to Reylo, and even using Kylo's leitmotif for Qimir, i found nowhere that Qimir is a character inspired by Kylo. My next choice is mirror character to Kylo, but they are not part of the same show, live at the same time, or interact, so i am not sure if this trope allows such example. And the last one, Suspiciously Similar Substitute, while Qimir fits some of the rules, he is not exactly replacing any previous character within the same show like the trope requires. A little help, please?
openEdit War on Characters/Warhammer40000LeaguesOfVotann
This seems more of a borderline edit war that a full one, but it's going in a concerning direction and I felt that it might be best to have this looked at before it escalates.
So, in February dbsaumarai added an entry
for Expy that was expanded by another trope soon after, with the full entry being thus:
- A recursive example with Star Craft: the Series was originally going to be a 40k game. When the licensing deal fell through, Blizzard turned the Space Marines into Starcraft Marines primarily by replacing their helmets with bubble visored domed heads. Now the Votann in turn are power armored soldiers with bubble visored domed heads that open to reveal their faces underneath. Combined with the Space Western naming theme of some of their units and overall bulky, hard-edged industrial aesthetic, and it's easy to see a similarity between Starcraft's Terrans and the Kin.
In March
, [Theharbo=] cut it with on the basis of Starcraft not having been based on Warhammer 40,000 and thus the Terran Marines not being based on Space Marines.
Then in April
dbsamurai re-added it with a length edit reason arguing why Starcraft was in fact based on Warhammer 40,000.
And then today
another troper came around and cut it again on the basis of Starcraft not having been based on Warhammer 40,000 and thus the Terran Marines not being based on Space Marines. They also got a little sarcastic in the edit reason (by which I mean potholing Sarcasm Mode in it, to be precise).
It's fairly clear to me that this is a situation where opinions are getting pretty heated and deleting and re-adding is likely to continue. However, my primary concern here is that what should be the actual relevant material (whether or not the Leagues, whose character page this is all going on, can be meaningfully said to be expies of the Terran Marines) is getting lost in the bickering of whether the Terran Marines are expies of the Space Marines, which should at most be a "fun fact" type of preamble to the main body of the example. As it is, the actual example seems to be treated as an incidental causality to the bulk of the arguing, which is focused on what should be side material.
(To be clear, I don't know whether the Leagues are expies of the Terran Marines — I'm not into Starcraft — but it seems clear to me that the arguing is missing the point.)
Edited by TheriocephalusopenTroper with possible misuse issues
Troper The Green Shrek has made several edits that strike me as misuse.
- In here
, they added an Expy entry claiming that the character of Shamir is based on Ada Wong. It was later removed for misuse.
- In here
, they added a downplayed Depraved Bisexual entry even though it said entry says that his sexuality has nothing to do with his crimes. It was also removed for misuse. Also worth noting is that they added
a Hereditary Homosexuality entry even though, looking at the actual trope page, it is about shared sexualities between parent and child not siblings.
- In here
, they added an exaggerated examples which also strikes me as misuse since the trope (Technical Virgin) is about a woman who, per the laconic page, “Has never had coitus, but they have achieved sexual satisfaction.”
I already sent notifier for two of these edits but I want to bring it up here since it might be concerning enough, plus I would more opinions on some of the more on the fence entries.
openHomage an Acceptable Alternative? Videogame
So I've removed several examples for expy because they're either superficial or tried to shove multiple characters into the trope despite that doing that should disqualify it. In Characters.Armored Core VI Enemies And Bosses, Qubeley was added to a boss again, but instead of claiming it's an expy, it's under Homage.
- Homage: Its design takes obvious inspiration from the AMX-004 Qubeley, including heavy use of conical attack drones, color scheme (save replacing purple with red), pointy fingers, and enormous triangular shoulders. The main difference is that the Ibis' lower parts are much thinner.
Is this fine, or is it still trying to shoehorn a comparison? I ask here since this seems out of the scope for the expy cleanup thread.
Edited by Shadeblade11openWhat makes an character an Alternate Company Equivalent? Live Action TV
I been very tempted to slap that unto Kamen Rider Build's Evolt/Evolto, for i noticed he has a similarity to Jojo's Dio. For the following reasons: 1) both ancient in their own ways 2) hammy 3) manipulative/pretend to be allies/friends of others 5) madden someone into compliance 6) started their plots, Evolt moreso 7) familial tie to a hero, provider of said hero's powers 8) have no higher ideals than getting more and more power and manipulate people in some sort of facade personality 9) somehow able to attract a lot of people to either work for them or to trust him 10) wants to create a new world with a long scheme. But i really don't know how it would fully count as they are not similar species wise or in context of how their plans and characters are executed. So what does it take to be an ACE? Does it need to be a deliberate expy or can it be considered because of the roles they have in the story?
openQuestionable Expy entries on various Ys pages. Videogame
I originally asked in the Expy cleanup, but got no response. So I think I might ask here.
A while back
, I made a post regarding Expy examples on various character pages for Ys, So I'm gonna repost but removing some because they were moved to Expy Coexistence
Characters.Ys Seven (Aisha)
- Expy: Bow-wielding rebellious princess-in-disguise, with water/ice element and tsundere tendencies? Sounds a lot like Marle.
I'm not too familiar with Chrono Trigger's characters on a deep level, but this seems like a stretch
Characters.Ys (Ys Origin / Yunica Tovah)
- Expy:
- Of Estelle Bright, the brown haired Genki Girl from The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky, another game from the same company.
- Gameplay-wise, Yunica is a Distaff Counterpart to Adol Christin, given that she's a skilled melee fighter whose only magical abilities come from artifacts she picks up.
The first one doesn't explain other traits she shares with Estelle while the second one I'm very unsure of because Ys Origin is Distant Prequel to the main Ys games and Expies are based on characters from another series.
Characters.Ys IX Monstrum Nox (Aprilis)
- Expy: Of Jeanne Alter, all the way down to being a clone of a Jeanne archetype and an obsessive magician wanting to and able to bring her back.
I'm not familiar with much of the story of FGO Jeanne so this feels like a stretch to me.
Edit: Decided to add this as well. Characters.Ys VIII Lacrimosa Of Dana (Party Members / Ricotta)
- Expy Coexistence: She designed similarly to both Terra from Ys V: Lost Kefin, Kingdom of Sand and Calilica from Ys: Memories of Celceta - both characters are young girls whom Adol meets in his latest adventure. Like Terra, Ricotta has a Precocious Crush for him as hinted at in her max approval event, while she functions as the Token Mini-Moe Pint-Sized Powerhouse member of the party in Ys VIII similar to how Calilica is for Memories of Celceta.
I moved this to Expy Coexistence but I realized that is its about two characters, which makes me wonder; Can Expy Coexistence allow two people (cause Ys is an interconnected narrative so moving to Composite Character would be a no go).
openCreators Pet misuse/lines on minor characters(?)
CreatorsPet.Marvel Universe has these examples which seem indicative of wider misuse. (Creator's Pet only applies to minor characters getting unfair exposure/favoritism as main characters are expected to get such exposure/favoritism, and that they're hated by fans as opposed to becoming big in response to fan demand.)
- Doctor Doom rivals the Sentry below when it comes to the sheer number of writers who love making a pet of him. Most recently it's been Jonathan Hickman who inexplicably chose him to be the literal God-level Big Bad of his Secret Wars (2015) story (supplanting several more powerful characters in the process such as Apocalypse, The Maestro, and even Thanos), but Hickman is just the latest in a very long line of writers to lovingly use Doom as a borderline Villain Sue. From David Michelinie and Bob Hall on The Avengers to Hickman (again) during his Fantastic Four run and Steve A. Roman for his Chaos Engine novels, when it comes to villains writers love slipping into the old leather pants, none tops Doom. Jack Kirby even created an author device, the Doombots, explicitly for the purpose of handwaving away any of Doom's less impressive showings, making him one of the oldest examples of this trope in the House of Ideas. Big Bad of his series, and one of main villains of the setting, means misuse. And I believe they got so big because they're too popular to count.
- The Sentry from in everything after his debut miniseries. A Superman expy with mental issues, the original miniseries by Paul Jenkins was well-received. However, when the character was incorporated into the wider Marvel Universe by Brian Michael Bendis, he ate up focus in every book he appeared in, which was a lot, despite doing very little and generally existing as a cheap way to resolve plots thanks to being a God-Mode Sue, e.g. he's better at molecular manipulation than Molecule Man. His plots revolved around the never-ending conflicting stories of what he and the Void were, from super-powered evil side stuff to the literal angel of death. Worse still is the way he was retconned into importance when he died, with various heroes waxing poetic about how wonderful he was and how he'd made their lives better in flashback retcons. The hamfisted attempt at Alas, Poor Scrappy was not well-received. Seems more valid. But if they started out popular/a title character not sure if they were ever minor enough a character to count.
My issue is given how comic work I'm not sure how to define a character as too major to count. Normally I say if their name is in the Comic Book namespace, they're too major, but The Sentry entry gives a counterargument to that.
The Creators Pet cleanup thread has been inactive for a few months now, so I'm asking here first.
openAnime without description
Shine Post has no description. It also only has 3 tropes so the image is actually half the page, and I'm not sure if that expy list passes bar, so should I send this to the Cut List?
openNeed help with Expy trope on FFXVI's char page Videogame
Clive's section lists two characters that he's an Expy of, yet the trope page states that an Expy can only be of *one* character. Composite Character also does not apply as FFXVI is only inspired by and not an adaptation of ASOIAF/GoT.
openSomeone removed a bunch of examples without explanation
I just noticed that on the 29th of March, helo1939 removed
the Alternate Continuity, Contrasting Sequel Setting, Expy, Franchise Codifier, and Genre Shift entries from My Little Pony Tales, as well as a chunk of the description describing how it differed from My Little Pony 'n Friends, without an edit reason. Weirdly, they haven't removed the corresponding examples from Contrasting Sequel Setting and Franchise Codifier's pages, though I haven't checked the others. Do they have a weirdly specific agenda where they want to pretend the original cartoons don't exist or something?
EDIT: They also removed all references to other MLP cartoons from the subpages.
Edited by NitroIndigoopenOverzealous deletions or not?
There's been a couple of Expy deletions that seem questionable. For example:
However, looking at the recent posts in the Expy Cleanup thread
, there seems to be no prior discussion to check if the examples are indeed valid or not. Is this a case of overzealous deletions? Benefit of the doubt may say that some examples fit other tropes better than Expy, but it seems like they just acted on their own.
Some of the Genshin Expy examples have a trend of the developer (miHoYo) basing the name, appearance, traits and even hiring the same voice actors of an older character into their newer copy, even if it's in a different game (i.e. Raiden Mei to Raiden Ei and Yae Sakura to Yae Miko). Yes, the devs have been doing this for some of their characters for a long time and even up to this day, and if you're familiar with the works involved, they're unambiguous. I think at least some deleted examples are still valid, but the fact that it was not discussed in the thread raises some eyebrows.
In fact, if you know DMC behind-the-scenes, there's another supplementary material (3142 Graphic Arts artbook page 200) where a staff mentioned that Dante was imagined as Cobra when they made his fighting motions with a certain weapon.
I just assume that the entire paragraph was deleted because other tropers added a bunch of anime and manga characters in comparison, which does make the Expy example invalid, but the Cobra one should've at least been kept because it's been confirmed.
It makes one wonder if the Expy Cleanup thread is deleting some Expy examples even if they can actually be valid, especially the second scenario I mentioned above. It really seems like clean-up efforts like these are best handled by tropers who are more familiar with the works.
I remember there's an Improper TRS Cleanup thread
which pointed out that some tropers are overzealously deleting things, though that thread seems to be inactive for a while now, so I'll ask here in ATT instead.
openEdit War on Characters / Honkai Star Rail: Jarilo-VI
An Edit War happened on Characters.Honkai Star Rail Jarilo VI. Courtesy link here
.
- On May 17
, as part of a move from the page's redirect "Belobog", zero5889 was the one who added the current iterations of these Expy entries. (It's worth noting that they were initially under Company Cross-References before being
moved
to Expy by Dante Vin, but that's irrelevant here.)
- Clara is effectively the mortal, red-clothed counterpart to Nahida, the Dendro Archon of Genshin Impact, both being cute little girls with white hair, who walk barefoot, and act as Morality Pets to humanoid robots with misanthropic tendencies (i.e., Svarog and Scaramouche/Wanderer).
- Much like Klee of Genshin Impact, Hook is a cute little girl associated with fire and prone to mischief.
- On May 22
and May 23
, Lyendith and Katie69 removed these entries with these edit reasons respectively.
- "They don’t have much in common outside of superficial traits"
- "this is a massive reach"
- Today
, zero5889 just added these entries back with only minor changes and with no edit reason.
openEdit War on SuperMarioBros movie
Troper Doctor Sleep originally added the following Deconstructed Character Archetype for Bowser in The Super Mario Bros. Movie:
"Bowser's violent tendencies and delusion that Peach would be into him are deconstructions of video game protagonists like Mario. He gains rewards by destroying anyone and anything that's different to himself and looting their kingdoms for treasure all so he can impress a princess that he sees as little more than another trophy."
This was later deleted with the reasoning that Mario's archetype (in most games) is as a working class hero who rescues a princess—without expectation of a relationship in return—from a villain, which has nothing to do with Bowser being a bully and feeling entitled to Peach.
Doctor Sleep later readded
this entry under Corrupted Character Copy, with some wording alterations (notably still insisting that Bowser is a deconstruction of Mario.) Setting aside the fact that this is misuse because Bowser is not an expy of Mario, is this an edit war?
For the record I think to suggest Bowser in the movie is a "deconstruction of protagonists like Mario" at all is incorrect. Mario as a protagonist does not attack all things different from him, he defends peaceful creatures from harmful ones. He does not do all of this to impress Peach, he usually does it for the motivation that it is simply the right thing to do. And Bowser in the movie does not rove around looting other worlds (he loots just one, because it specifically had something he wanted, and then he heads straight to the mushroom kingdom for Peach.) He is not motivated to attack things because they are "different from him", he attacks things because he is an ill-tempered bully. His entitlement to Peach is not based on him seeing himself as a "hero" to impress her, it is based on wanting to conquer everyone as husband and wife. In the movie, as in the games, he is simply the bad role model to Mario's good one, not an evil version of Mario.
openNot So Similar must be intentional?
From Not So Similar:
- Dragon Ball:
- Piccolo and Vegeta, two evil aliens who first opposed and then became friends with Goku. Piccolo initially saw Goku as an obstacle to Take Over the World, Vegeta just had an obsession with becoming the strongest and Goku's existence just got in the way. Also, Piccolo's friendship was genuine, even if he hated to admit it. Vegeta didn't bury the hatchet until the entire universe was at great stake. Piccolo at one point has to explain Vegeta's own problems to him. Zig-Zagged: by Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return! and Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods he appears to actually enjoy Goku's company and they're able to hang out in social settings with little conflict.
- Surprisingly, Goku Black is one to Turles, despite both being Evil Knockoffs to Son Goku, as well as the former being an expy to the latter. Both have a dark motif, but Black thinks he's doing the right thing, while Turles relishes in his villainy. Also, Black has absolute disdain for Saiyans while Turles takes pride in being one. Their body structure is quite different too, as the former is thinner, while the latter is much bulkier.
These sound incidental as opposed to deliberate. Piccolo and Vegeta might count as they interact, but not sure if "Piccolo at one point has to explain Vegeta's own problems to him" is them calling out their differences. Goku Black and Turles seem definitely unintentional as the latter was only in a Non-Serial Movie around 20 real life years prior to Black's arc, so no interaction or reason to think it was deliberate.
Does Not So Similar require it be clearly intentional such those should be cut? It's counterpart Not So Different was renamed "Not So Different" Remark because it's supposed to be in-universe comparisons, so does/should that also apply to Similar?
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught

The users being attempting to do this for a long time.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=135443&type=att
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=132994&type=att
As an example, the Fire Prelate is supposed to clearly be invocative of Smough. They even share some of the same attacks.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/4/4c/Smough_Render.png/revision/latest?cb=20190307032121
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/eldenring/images/b/bc/ER_Fire_Prelate_Altered.png/revision/latest?cb=20230606201221
Likewise, the Bloodborne Witch's and the Celebrants have a very similar design, and even have a similar dance animation.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/bloodborne/images/e/e4/Bloodborne84%A2_20150511190151_-_1.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20151013101044
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/eldenring/images/9/9c/ER_Dominula_Dancer_Braids.png/revision/latest?cb=20230714145706
The slimes are pretty the SAME enemy from Demon's Souls.
https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/058/908/035/large/bob-wallace-bob-wallace-hopelite-zb-16x9.jpg?1675220981
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/eldenring/images/6/61/ER_Silver_Tear_Shielded.png/revision/latest?cb=20230719181939
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