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openFixing note Live Action TV
How do I fix the note section in the ghostly animals trope in Ghosts (UK)? The note appears as [[note]] rather than a small note hovering above like it should do.
Edited by PrincessLulu6open Reporting Edit Warring and Vandalism Live Action TV
Editor Rm74 has made repeated edits in the Euphoria pages (Character
and YMMV
as far as I know, but I haven’t checked the other Euphoria pages) that exaggerate a character’s negative traits and actions beyond reason— even outright making stuff up about them that they haven’t done or that they aren’t— and a lot of their edits are simply bizarre. I know that YMMV is opinion based, but even still their edits are beyond exaggeration, or even again just them making stuff up. Myself and some other editors have made attempts to fix these Ron The Death Eater style edits, but RM74 has repeatedly gone and added them back in or made new outlandish edits.
openPedro Pascal Playing With Character Type Live Action TV
Does this look worth adding to Creator.Pedro Pascal, or does it look too focused on one show (namely The Last of Us)? I already put differently-worded versions of it on Trivia.The Last Of Us 2023 and Main.Playing With Character Type.
- Playing with Character Type: Pascal's portrayal of Joel Miller usually comes off as less confident or friendly than most of his major screen roles, due to Joel's heartbroken trauma from the killing of his daughter, Sarah. However, Pascal still gets to act daring and affectionate in scenes preceding Sarah's demise, and when Joel gradually develops into a protective and loving surrogate father for Ellie Williams.
openQuotation marks and episode links Live Action TV
It seems to me that in the link to an episode, the quotation marks should be inside the link — for example, "The Pilot". The quotes are part of the episode name. I can't see why it wouldn't be treated as one cohesive whole.
However, it seems more common for people to put the quotes outside the link — for example, "The Pilot".
Is there any actual ruling about which is correct? Is it a "first come first serve" kind of thing, like British/American spelling?
openWhich tropes fits better for an upcoming example? (Moved to trope finder) Live Action TV
So I was trying to make a new example for a character page of The Glory about Park Yeon-Jin. But I can't tell which tropes fit the description, Stepford Smiler, Broken Smile, The Un-Smile, or Tearful Smile?
- In the final episode, while sitting in a prison cell, motionless with tears in her eyes, Yoen-Jin was asked what's the weather by an inmate, she quickly put up an act as a weather forecaster just like she was before, fake smiling while visibly tears up and nearly sobbing because lost everything, her job, husband, daughter, mother, and her freedom.
Sorry was it long, I'll fix it by sending it to the English forum. So which tropes fits the description?
Edited by BubblepigopenEditing recaps Live Action TV
Hey uh does anyone know i can edit the recaps of tv tropes?
Edited by TabsopenRecurring misindentation Live Action TV
On Trivia.El Chavo Del Ocho, Magma Dragoon had added an improperly-indented example under another from Pop-Culture Urban Legends, as seen here
. I sent them an Indentation notifier and rectified the issue. Less than 30 minutes later, on YMMV.El Chavo Del Ocho, they violated proper indentation again, namely with this edit
(and the sub-bulleted entry has a nattery look anyway). Upon checking their edit history, I noticed that their other kinds of edits aren't bad (and they haven't edited religiously to begin with), but the indentation problem isn't new, because here
(a June 2022 edit) they added a second example for a trope without indenting properly.
open"Inconsequential extras" and Character pages Live Action TV
So this has bugged me for a while but it only now occurred to me to ask about it: Characters.Star Wars Imperial Remnant is a page pretty much wholly dedicated to a faction from The Mandalorian, which is fine and dandy - except I think there's issues with the characters it includes and the overall length of the page.
Currently it lists a total of 15 characters (16 if you count the Those Two Guys stormtroopers who are grouped together under a single folder), but of them, only 4 (5 counting Those Two Guys) actually have names. Which doesn't seem like too much of an issue, except that of the remaining 11 characters only 2, 3 if I'm being generous, are anything more than one-scene extras with a handful of lines, and of those one-scene extras only 2 of them have more than four tropes listed. Heck, 4 of them are just a "No Name Given" entry and a single trope explaining how they die or what their role in the scene is.
I feel like these particularly extraneous characters could do to be cut from the page, but at the same time I get the feeling it might be interpreted as needlessly deleting content. I'm also worried that without these characters and their folders beefing it up, the page might not be large enough to justify keeping, which would require the valid character entries to be sorted into other parts of the Star Wars character index. Could use advice and input on this.
Edited by Dirtyblue929openRangers Live Action TV
I just signed up and would like to add to this folder. There are several prominant TV shows featuring rangers that are not yet included and I'd like to add them.
The Lone Ranger Walker, Texas Ranger Laredo Trackdown
In movies there is also the Comancheros In Western Animation there is the series Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers.
I'm happy to make the additions myself but don't see a way to do that. Is there a tutorial?
openToo Dumb To Live misuse Live Action TV
This is currently on TooDumbToLive.Live Action TV:
- Cheers: Classic moment:
Rebecca: Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute you guys. Let's not jump to any wild conclusions here. Let's just look at the facts. Now, all we really know is that Robin is using my secret password to break into my corporation's confidential files, and from the date on these, well, it looks like he's been doing it since, well, since the day after we first slept together. So all I think we can conclude by this is... I AM TOO STUPID TO LIVE! ... Rebecca: I cannot believe that Robin would use me like this. Sam: Yeah, I know, he seems like such a decent guy. I mean, it's not like he ever, you know, cheated any of your friends in a business deal... oh, well no actually, he did, didn't he? Hmm... Well, at least you never caught him with another woman... Oh, shoot, that happened too. Well, maybe this is the very ''last'' bad thing he does. Yeah, that's it. Rebecca: (hopefully) Gee, Sam, do you think so? Norm: Rebecca, maybe you are too stupid to live.
As someone who's a big fan of Cheers, I can report that Rebecca never dies over the course of the series, let alone because of her stupidity. This seems to me like one of those examples that only takes the trope name at face value. However, it is listed as the Trope Namer, so I would like to propose removing it and adding a mention of its Trope Namer status in the trope description.
What do you, the viewers at home, think?
openEvilChancellor trope for Series/OhsamaSentaiKingOhger Char page Live Action TV
The folder for Kamejim has Evil Chancellor in it; IIRC, Evil Chancellor is when the chancellor turns on his boss and becomes the Big Bad, not just a Number Two who is on the villains' side (that's The Dragon).
As the series has yet to air (as of this typing), there are no hints that Kamejim will exhibit the Evil Chancellor traits; should I percentage-sign it until further notice, or delete it outright?
Edited by ArchmarschalVonLowenopenTroping reality TV shows (e.g. Drag Race) - contestants, presenters and judges Live Action TV
So...
Following on from this post
on the Character Page Cleanup Thread, and this earlier Creator Page Cleanup
discussion, there seems to be a grey area with regard to troping reality TV.
Administrivia.Real Life Troping clearly says:
So, looking at something like RuPaul's Drag Race -
- I can see that the competing drag queens (who have very carefully constructed personas) can potentially be troped as characters in their drag identities.
- ...but do we trope the judges and others (e.g. the 'pit crew' teams, who have no alter ego and are scantily-dressed support staff) - we have character page tropes entries for them all, and things like Age-Gap Romance and Token Minority (for the only straight guy) troped for the real people. That feels like a step too far.
- We also have Characters page examples for things like Older Than They Look (no Real Life) for RuPaul, Berserk Button (referencing her Real Life childhood bullying) for judge Michelle Visage and similar examples from the contestants' real pre-show, offscreen lives. In some cases I'm not sure they've even been directly mentioned in the work itself.
I know an awful lot of effort's gone into some of the pages, and I don't want to make major changes without a consensus (which didn't really happen with the previous forum threads, hence this post) - the one comment on the last post seemed to agree that this crossed into NRLEP, though.
What are people's views?
Edited by Mrph1openRestore the Cosmic Fury/Once and Always pages Live Action TV
Since we now have various interviews and announcements for Power Rangers: Cosmic Fury and Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: Once and Always (plus a behind-the-scenes trailer for the latter), I wanted to recreate the work pages for them. Is there any problem with me doing so, as long as I cite sources?
openHollyb Creating Edit War Live Action TV
Despite me providing the necessary info in both PMs and a link to both the ATT and caption thread, Hollyb has now changed the caption on How to Rock three different times now—the latest being despite the decision both discussions yielded. This is me reporting them for edit warring now. Enough is enough.
Edited by MacronNotesopenHow to Rock Live Action TV
So for How to Rock, I had the box under the image read "Only You Can Be You." and recently ~Hollyb changed it to "Rockstars!" I suggested putting the original back since it's the name of the show's theme song and therefore fits better and Hollyb seemed to agree—but then changed it to "This is not your ordinary rock and roll show." I wanted to bring this to attention to avoid an edit war.
Which one fits better or is there something else entirely that fits better instead?
Edited by futuremoviewriteropen Moralist Live Action TV
Hi -
I am editing a page where there is a character that is a moralist but is there a trope that is an equivalent to the "hedonist" that would go under the character page? The character isn't a prude or a hypocrite, just someone who disapproves of hedonism.
I can't seem to find such a trope but I may be thinking of the wrong words.
openValues Resonance on a near 20 year old show Live Action TV
Having noticed that Values Resonance was removed from YMMV.One Tree Hill as the trope requires a 20 year wait period after release, I would just like some clarity.
1 - Is it 20 years after the series began, or 20 years after the episode aired?
2 - If it's the latter - Being that One Tree Hill has it's 20th anniversary this year, would it be more beneficial to just hide the two entries until that point rather than outright delete them?

A couple of days ago, Nefisis added an Old Soldier example for one of the contestants (edit
) on Drag Race España Season 3.
After double-checking with "Is this an example?"
, I cut it
(and many more examples across the other Drag Race pages), as it was being used for an older drag queen rather than in the usual military context. The edit reason explained and linked to that thread.
Nefisis has just added it back again
(misuse notifier sent).
Am I ok to delete it?
Edited by Mrph1