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openAm I using this website correctly? Webcomic
I am really new to this site. I actually made this account at the behest of friends who have been following my webcomic for the last four years because they thought it'd be fun to all contribute to a tropes page for it. I've been working on setting it up for everyone to contribute but I've been working in the sandbox for it. It's getting very late though and I don't think I have enough to officially publish it so I wanted to get back to it tomorrow. Can I just submit it to be saved as a sort of draft in the sandbox?
Sorry if this is a dumb question but I've been looking around for anyone who might have asked it before and found nothing.
Edited by swordheartopenRegarding FanTranslation
so Fan Translation is a trivia trope, but it doesn't have on-page examples for anime and manga, which are instead directed to Fan Sub and Scanlation respectively. however, the latter two are definition-only; i noticed this when adding an example of fan translation for Azumanga Daioh, and initially put it under scanlation before realizing that it isn't a trope. fan translation's description says it's specifically about video games, but its examples include film and literature, and several anime and manga pages have it wicked. should fan translation's scope thus be expanded to cover all media that receives fan translations, or be tightened specifically to video games?
(edit: also, i should ask, would my example of Fan Translation on that page be misuse? if so there's other pages that also need it removed.)
Edited by NoUsernameopenDate Vampires?
Something weird happened on Characters.Dungeons And Dragons Creatures I To L when I tried to crosswick The Echoer example on the Kenku profile. The trope list associated with the creature got completely wiped as a result. Data Vampires?
openAllForNothing discussion.
Can something count as all for nothing if it happened before the story? In the fanfic A Rabbit Among Wolves Blake and Sienna feel that their involvement in the White fang was pointless as they sacrificed their morals, and Blake abandoned her home to accomplish nothing. Here is the original example someone else removed.
- All for Nothing: As Jaune's success grows and people become more receptive to the White Fang, both Sienna and Blake express uncertainty about their previous actions in the radicalized version of the group, asking themselves what exactly they accomplished for the cause of faunus by making themselves into feared criminals. Both soberly come to the answer of "nothing", meanwhile Jaune has come around and in the space of a couple months, not only healed much of the damage they caused but done more to relieve the plight of faunus than anyone has in years. For Sienna the realization is bittersweet, but Blake pushes back against Jaune's popularity in large part because she doesn't want to believe that she and Adam made the wrong choices when there was a better way.
- Jaune himself disagrees with this notion. He believes that both the failed, peaceful White Fang and its violent successor were necessary for his own success.
Jaune: I was seen as the better version of the White Fang, but if there hadn't been a worse version for people to demonise, then I wouldn't have gained half the following I did.Ghira: Then was I wrong? To try the peaceful approach?Jaune: No. It was needed to fail to spark the violence, and it was needed so that people could look at the new, violent White Fang in anger and think fondly of the kind and benevolent group under the leadership of Ghira Belladonna.
- Jaune himself disagrees with this notion. He believes that both the failed, peaceful White Fang and its violent successor were necessary for his own success.
openCan I delete a review?
Some weeks ago I wrote a review of one of my favourite shows, but I revisited it today and I didn't like what I wrote. I want to write a bigger and more detailed review of the show but I want to delete my previous review. How can I do it?
openAnother St. Fan Oddity
So today on The Echoer, I noticed that St Fan removed the 1983 year date on the He-Man and the Masters of the Universe (1983) link. Is this ok? Because the reason why I'm bringing this up is because they did the same thing on Accidental Astronaut a few days ago, removing the year dates for Curious George (2006), Stowaway (2021), The Astronauts (2020), DuckTales (1987), and DuckTales (2017). The fact that Theriocephalus reverted their edits in the latter case makes me suspicious about St. Fan's intentions here.
resolved Collaborative Works and Auto-Erotic Troping
I think it's time for me to finally face the music on this one.
About ten years ago, my fellow Dino Attack RPG players and I created the RPG's page here on TV Tropes. In addition to cataloging many tropes from the RPG itself (across four trope pages and multiple character pages), we also created YMMV pages (including awesome, heartwarming, tearjerker, and nightmare fuel subpages) and a Trivia page. Back then, most of us had simply browsed TV Tropes for fun and weren't aware of all the rules and policies.
Recently, I've had to take more time to better familiarize myself with TV Tropes' rules. One such policy that I've seen brought up here in Ask The Tropers is Auto-Erotic Troping for works that you've created. Basically, the key point here is "No Audience Reactions" and "No Trivia that can't be individually researched". The latter seems easy enough; just make sure there's a public source that can verify whatever is added to the Trivia page. But the former... where does it stand with a collaborative work, such as an RPG with Loads and Loads of Writers?
Even before seeing this policy, I tended to be mindful of any YMMV entries that I'd add. Essentially, I would only add my own reactions to things other players had written, or other players' reactions to things I had written. For example, Dr. Michelle Glados is a character I wrote, but her entry under Complete Monster is based directly upon a comment from another player. Meanwhile, I added entries for Kotua as That One Boss and Plastic Serpent as Unintentionally Sympathetic, which are my own personal reactions to characters written by other players. However, this is not always the case, especially in older YMMV entries from ten years ago, or with Hilarious in Hindsight (where I confess that I've been adding some entries based on my own writings without other peoples' reactions, largely because the actual "audience reaction" aspect of the trope is loosely applied at best).
I am willing to cull the RPG's YMMV pages if they aren't outright cut in order to meet TV Tropes policy. But first, I just want to know whether my "only trope writer reactions to other writers" rule of thumb is kosher under Auto-Erotic Troping collaborative works, or if I've been doing this all wrong for the past ten years. Please advise.
openTroper created quotes page for themself
this isn't allowed, right?
e: their troper page doesn't even show up on the quotes page. Jethro Q Walrustitty
Edited by ChloeJessicaopenExamples on Useful Notes pages
Is there a policy about when Useful Notes pages can include examples of the subject in media?
open Verber Creature and Noun Verber
Apologies for the double post, but I didn't want two discussions going on in the same thread that are only tangentially related. What exactly is the relationship between Verber Creature and Noun Verber? Is one of them a subtrope of the other, or are they sister tropes? Is the distinction in whether or not the name contains a noun before the verb, or what kind of thing the name is referring to?
In Verber Creature's example list, a lot of the names listed do in fact include nouns before the verbs, which seems to contradict the trope name. According to Noun Verber's description, the distinction is that "Verber Creature" specifically refers to species while "Noun Verber" refers to other things. However, Noun Verber's example list also includes a few examples that could be considered creatures such as Warhammer 40,000's Bloodthirsters and Bloodletters, and the real life "death stalker" scorpion.
Edited by Ian07open Wiki Talk Crowner
Hello! There is a new crowner on Wiki Talk that is about setting up new standards for Pages Needing Wiki Magic. Click here to join the discussion.
Edited by MacronNotesopenRestrictive header for list of creator's films
I just noticed a thing on Creator.Martin Landau, and I recall seeing it on other creator pages as well: the list of films does not have the usual header of "Films" or "Notable Films", but instead "Films with pages on TV Tropes". The same thing goes for the list of Landau's TV shows.
Now, I think I understand why somebody formulated the headers in that way: it explains why not all his films and TV shows are listed.
But aren't those headers too restrictive? I mean, we usually encourage people to put in red links to works not on TV tropes, in the hope that it will stimulate people to create the work pages, and also to allow for complete lists. But with this formulation, you can't do that, without creating the work page first, which you obviously can't do if you're not familiar with the work.
To me, this seems quite counterproductive, and I would like to remove the "on TV Tropes" parts of the headers, but I'd like to hear what people have to say first, and hopefully build consensus.
Any comments?
openAvoiding Edit War
I know intellectually that this edit would be fine, but I just want to be safe. On Game of Thrones - Ramsay Bolton, there's a commented link to an IP thread - on that thread, it was elected to remove the caption. After the image was finalized, someone added it back, so I deleted it. Now, someone else has added it back in again. Am I good to delete it again?
openDoes this count as Auto-Erotic troping?
Browsed through Pokémon Crossing: Fly Me to the Moon and went on its trivia page. I thought it was fine and dandy at first until I decided to visit Mad About Love 97's Troper Page. According to the page, she is the creator of the fanfic and all of its TVT pages relating to it. I checked the history of the Trivia page and it's been created by and entirely edited by the author.
I feel that this runs afoul of Auto-Erotic Troping but I'm not entirely sure. Does it count?
Edited by Cutegirl920fireopenNot Brainwashed has a strange soft split
I brought this up in softsplit cleanup thread but received no answer, so I'm asking here.
Not Brainwashed is soft-split into two separate sections: "Examples" and "Comedy examples". I don't see any reason to separate them like this, they're not even split correctly because there are still some funny entries left in "Examples", and there are only 6 "Comedy examples" in total.
Do I have consensus to merge?
openDeleted description.
Follow the Leader's description and most of its examples were deleted earlier today. I don't know if it's a move attempt that went wrong since there's no edit reason.
Edited by Chabal2openEdit war in Ace Attorney anime page. Anime
Admittedly, this is a bit old, but I might as well bring attention to it. On July 18th 2022, user Foolmath removed this sentence from the Adaptational Nice Guy entry for Grossberg on Anime.Ace Attorney
- While Grossberg was never a villain, he is more than happy to try and defend Maya in the anime until he gets a call from his blackmailer, Redd White, as opposed to the original case where he didn't even try to accept Maya's case.
With this reasoning: I don't think this counts. He refuses to defend Maya for the same reason in the anime as in the game, and he doesn't "try" anything more than to tell Phoenix he will defend her before he gets the call. The only difference is that White must've called him earlier in the game than in the anime, which has nothing to do with how good a person Grossberg is.
However on August 6th, 2022, the removed portion was added back in by Tropers/Upgrader, albeit edited slightly. Giving no reason for it.
- Marvin Grossberg, in spades. In "Turnabout Sisters", Grossberg happily agrees to defend Maya, but he gets a call from Redd White shortly afterwards and is forced to give up.
So how do we resolve this? And Does this part count?
Personally speaking, I think it does. Context is important here and the fact that Marvin happily accepts the case before being blackmailed is a massive difference from how it was in the game, where he rejects it on sight. Even if it’s small, it's still enough for it to count IMO.
Edited by Tylerbear12open Adaptational Nice Guy/Jerkass vs. Adaptational Heroism/Villainy
I've noticed there's been some confusion between tropers with the usage of these tropes so thought I should ask here first to double check.
Some tropers use Nice Guy/Jerkass for when a character in an adaptation has a change in how good/bad their actions/personality are, but at the same time haven't outright swapped sides on the moral spectrum.
Other tropers think that Nice Guy/Jerkass exclusively refers to their in-person mannerisms/attitude and not how good/evil they are, with even slight tweaks to their morality still necessitating Heroism/Villainy even if they are still firmly a hero or villain between adaptations.
My understanding is the former, which is supported by this extract from Adaptational Nice Guy:
While there may be some overlap with Adaptational Heroism, the key difference is that the character doesn't necessarily become heroic if they were villainous or neutral in the source material, and doesn't make them more heroic if they were heroic in the first place.
Can anyone weigh in?
Edited by Snowy66openFanfic description plagiarism by author?
So this fanfic page was made not too long ago, and they took the description of their fic and put it wholesale on the page. Citing it as plagiarism, I removed it and put up the standard plagiarism note to replace it with original writing. Not even a full day later, they put it back wholesale and added a note: (This description is repurposed from the fanfiction's description with permission from the author.) They also had an edit reason:
Now, I will fully admit that I didn't realize that it was the actual author, but now we have two problems. One, it's an Edit War. Two, and this is the crux of the question I'm asking, but I could have sworn it was established somewhere (perhaps in the Copy-Paste thread) that even if it's the author that's lifting the entire description from their own fic, it's still plagiarism.
So am I wrong here, or does it still count?
Edited by Arctimon
Yesterday a troper by the name of GRD added these to the Meme Page of Genshin Impact:
I would remove them myself as they make me very uncomfortable, but I’d like a consensus before I do.
Edited by Leobracer