Have a question about how the TVTropes wiki works? No one knows this community better than the people in it, so ask away! Ask the Tropers is the page you come to when you have a question burning in your brain and the support pages didn't help.
It's not for everything, though. For a list of all the resources for your questions, click here. You can also go to this Directory thread
for ongoing cleanup projects.
Ask the Tropers is for:
- • General questions about the wiki, how it works, and how to do things.
- • Reports of problems with wiki articles, or requests for help with wiki articles.
- • Reports of misbehavior or abuse by other tropers.
Ask the Tropers is not for:
- • Help identifying a trope. See TropeFinder.
- • Help identifying a work. See MediaFinder.
- • Asking if a trope example is valid. See the Trope Talk forum.
- • Proposing new tropes. See TropeLaunchPad.
- • Making bug reports. See QueryBugs.
- • Asking for new wiki features. See QueryWishlist.
- • Chatting with other tropers. See our forums.
- • Reporting problems with advertisements. See this forum topic.
- • Reporting issues on the forums. Send a Holler instead.
Ask the Tropers:
openMoments page pertaining to a Creator Videogame
Sifting through Destiny 2's memes made me realize that Stefan Jonke (known as Datto on Youtube and other social media) has pages for Awesome, Funny and Heartwarming. They're very dated, too, considering the last real edits were from 2015. Since no single Creator is allowed to have any moments pages, should I send those to the cutlist?
openNo Title
A couple of days ago I brought up some Overshadowed by Controversy examples to the Overshadowed By Controversy clean-up thread that were on YMMV.The New Mutants, because it hadn't yet been 6 months since the film's release.
I was told to cut the example, which I did.
Now M3 has re-added the example, and looking through the page history it seems they've previously uncommented out the example after someone else had commented it out.
openIssue notifier link.
I sent a troper a grammar issue notifier a few days ago, and they just messaged me back that the included link didn't work. I followed the link myself and found that yeah, it leads to a 404 error.
Edited by SammettikopenHostile edit reasons from troper. Videogame
On 1/01 Mr Heroes added the following meme to the Fate/Grand Order meme page:
- Muramasa is ShirouExplanation While he takes Shirou's form, Muramasa isn't Shirou. A running gag is having Muramasa mistaken/called Shirou, which is popular with fan artists.
On 1/04, Rebel Falcon removed it with an unusually hostile edit reason spread across a few minutes:
- "For the last time, Muramasa is Shiro. Muramasa is a Pseudo-Servant using Shiro as his host, and his bio quite literally says that Shiro's personality is the dominant one. He doesn't simply look like Shiro, he is Shiro."
- Saying Muramasa isn't Shiro is like saying Ishtar isn't Rin, or Jaguar Warrior isn't Taiga, or Ganesha isn't Jinako. It's literally their bodies and personalities, its just some have themselves in the drivers seat, some have the spirit, and some fuse together. Bottom line though, Muramasa is fucking Shiro Emiya.
Now in the first instance, this was done because it appears Rebel may have submitted their edit early, cutting off the message as the first of three edits has this edit reason: For the last time, ''Muramasa is Shiro".
However, the third entry was made after the second, more detailed one, and was close to ten minutes later. The meme itself is probably fine being removed but the edit reason is very hostile and leaves me concerned since this is something I've noticed seems to be a recent trend of there's.
For example, on the RWBY page, they readded an entry on 1/03 that was removed with the following edit reason: "Don't remove shit without giving a reason."
I've not had much interaction with Rebel except for once but I wanted to mention it since this hostility is concerning. Not to suspend them concern, more so just a "Hey, everything okay?" kind of concern.
Edited by keyblade333openDVB
So after my other query about Jerks Are Worse Than Villains, I decided to look deeper into the edits of our good friend DVB, to see if this is a common issue with him.
And, well...
Rambling, multi-bullet walls of text about OOTS don't seem to be an anomaly with them, nor are context issues, general indentation mishaps, and the occasional grammar trouble.
I could send notifiers, but these issues seem pretty severe and constant. I also vaguely recognize the name and it's possible I did notify them in the past, though I can't verify because I cleared out my inbox for the new-year.
openVideo Examples
Hello! I wanted to know about the Video Examples for certain trope pages. Namely, I was thinking that the page Stock Wushu Weapons could use a video example, like the mentioned fight scene in the Jade Hall from Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. What is the proper iter? Thank you in advance.
openEdit Warring on YMMV/Overlord2012 Anime
Leonidaz made some edits to the Overlord (2012) page on roughly 1/12.
- Memetic Badass: Ainz Ooal Gown is regarded as one of the most overpowered, invincible and badass villains and protagonists in Isekai history. An unusual case in that Ainz is indeed invencible and in-universe everybody regards him as the ultimate superior being, but in reality Ainz is far from being the unbeatable badass everyone thinks he is, he is just lucky to always meet foes weaker or dumber than him.
- Rooting for the Empire: It's rather hard to root for Ainz and the rest of the gang when they act like your typical Fantasy JRPG villains. The fact that they easily steamroll through any obstacle or foe, all the while acting over the top arrogant and snide at the other races and people around them does not help matters. You WISH the antagonist of the arc would actually smack the smirks right off of their faces just for a change of pace (though a bunch of them, such as the Eight Fingers, are even worse than them). The Tomb of Nazarick's over the top entrance and sadistic subjugation of the Lizardfolk (a peaceful community they went to war with just as an "experiment") has been seen as rather infuriating for readers. Though, after they were conquered, Ainz then ordered Cocytus to rule over them with the carrot and not the stick, showing that he's not a total sadist. However, Ainz later unleashed five abominations on a huge, mostly conscript, army and showed nothing but glee towards breaking the record of how many monsters were summoned at once, not even feeling anything about all those who his summoned monstrosities slaughtered. And then there's everything about Demiurge's "livestock". Seriously, many fans of Overlord would want a crossover with other series just so Ainz could face a challenge and be defeated JUST ONCE.
- Spiritual Adaptation: If you unfocus your eyes, you can almost convince yourself you’re watching an anime adaptation of Den.
- That One Boss: For the Great Underground Tomb of Nazarick this title can easily be assigned to Victim, Guardian of the 8th Level. The irony of it all is that Victim is only level 35 and the weakest Guardian. His power comes from being able to sacrifice himself, which causes an onslaught of crippling status debuffs and movement lockdown effects, allowing the rest of Nazarick's forces to kill the invaders at their leisure. To emphasise this point; no Raid Party in Yggdrasil had ever gotten past it.
I removed the areas marked in bold, Spiritual Adaptation, and That One Boss because of the nature of these edits.
- Memetic Badass not only had misspelling, but it also reads as a Justifying Edit and conflicts with the trope.
- Rooting for the Empire has an unnecessary point at the end and has no reason to be there.
- Spiritual Adaptation reads as a ZCE since it doesn't explain how it is one.
- That One Boss is being used for an In-Universe example, so it doesn't make sense to include it.
After removing them on 1/13, said troper returned and added them back in without a message. I sent them a message notifying them I would be making this.
Edited by keyblade333openOff-Hand Comments About Difficulty on Work Pages Videogame
So I did some Wiki Walking recently and I noticed that some work pages on video game series contain weird off-hand comments about the difficulty of certain games, and I'm feeling like that might not be suitable on principle of YMMV.
Namely, the Mega Man (Classic) writeup on Mega Man II mentions that the game is very easy, and the Final Fantasy writeup on Final Fantasy III mentions that the final dungeon is very hard. There's probably many more instances of this all over the wiki that I haven't seen.
Is stuff like this acceptable, or is it grounds for deletion?
Edited by CasualChrisopenAncient image for TheAce
A long long long long time ago, the page image for The Ace was a parody of a Magic The Gathering card. I've been looking for the image and haven't been able to find it off a google search. It was hosted on this site at one time at least. Is there anybody on here who might have the technical know-how to dig up a link to it?
openUnexplained example deletions in Video Game / Genshin Impact
Troper coconutkirin has been displaying some problematic editing behavior on the VideoGame.Genshin Impact page. They're deleting a lot of examples with either no edit reasons or reasons that don't relate to the examples. At first, I thought they were moving the examples to the corresponding character pages, but upon checking those out, I didn't see any deleted examples added there, which suggests a possible editing agenda going on.
Since Genshin Impact is trending at the moment, it's attracting a lot of editing activity from a lot of users, so the pages may need to observed for similar behavior.
Courtesy link here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=VideoGame.GenshinImpact
openBatman controversy Print Comic
Over these past few weeks, troper Nyame has been doing some... unorthodox edits on several pages from the Batman franchise, such as Batman's character page, the main YMMV page and the YMMV page for Batman (Rebirth). All these edits talk about Batman's character flaws (like his turbulent relationship with his family) and the declining quality of Tom King's run, and well, they come off as very opinionated.
I get that Batman is one of the most controversial characters in all of fiction and that YMMV is for opinions, but these are very detailed edits and, well, I'm starting to suspect that Nyame is using these pages to describe what he/she doesn't like about Batman. I don't want to start any conflict with Nyame, I just want to see if his edits are valid, but the only way I could do that if I read all the Batman comics from the New 52 to the present and that will take me a very long time. If anyone could help me with this topic, I would certainly appreciate it.
openHorrible.LetsPlay
Horrible.Lets Play was just cutlisted with this reason: "Tropers have expressed concern at SBIH Cleanup about the Let's Play subpage, as shown here, here, here, and here. I think it would also be a good idea to add it to the Permanent Red Link Club."
However, we never actually came to a consensus on cutting the Let's Play page, and we never agreed to put it on the PRLC. You can even see on the linked comments that some people replied disagreeing to cut the entire page. While we could have agreed to cut the page after further discussion, this action was taken without consulting with the cleanup thread first (as we haven't discussed the page in a while). We're concerned in the cleanup thread that this may set a bad precedent for cutting pages without approval, but we don't know who was responsible for cutting it, so we decided to take it to Ask The Tropers to discuss it further. I'm not sure if we want to revive the page yet, though.
Edited by mightymewtronopenViewing content violation reports requires being signed in
Why is content violation reports only visible to known tropers? Only P5 members can do anything on the content violation reports page anyway; pages are reported by clicking the "Report Page" button in the sidebar on the page itself.
openBrewing Edit War: Self Rpeorting Anime
There are some issues ongoing in the https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/YuGiOhSEVENS page revolving around the Broken Base entry. Namely about the use of a 'repetitive duels' part of the B.B.
Main argument point being my 'this is what people are saying in reaction the duels' versus 'repetitive duels are hardly just Sevens'.
It's going back and forth at this point between myself and Jackpot 21 and should probably get a intervention sooner rather than later.
open Problematic Trope Names
I am very concerned with trope names like F*g Hag or Magical N**ro. Who thought it was a good idea to put slurs in trope names? Can't we just rename them to stuff like "Gay Friend Collector" and stuff?
openNo Title
Johnny Be Bad has been deleting lots of things without giving edit reasons. Most specifically on Recap.Community pages. A lot of times I think he is deleting things that should be deleted, but a lot of his deletions are questionable and as I said he doesn't give edit reasons.
Edited by jjjj2
Specifically, this scene.
Currently, the Funny page translates the lines as follows.
This is, admittedly, an overly literal, if correct translation. However, it misses the joke. As is explained on the Carnival Phantasm Shout Out page,
IMO, swapping it to "You Bastard", gets the reference across clearer (like it does in the original Japanese, where it is a word-for-word reference to South Park), and sounds more natural.
I've attempted to make this edit before, with explanation, but was reverted. Figured having a discussion and trying to explain here makes more sense than edit warring over it.
Edited by DarthWalrus