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Rats of NIMH example
There was an example on Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH that was removed a long time ago without an edit reason and I reinstated it:
- Interspecies Romance: Mrs. Frisby is a field mouse (which aren't proper mice at all, they're voles), but laboratory mice such as her husband are house mice. Although they have children, the two species aren't closely related enough to breed.
The reason why it was removed may have been that it wasn't portrayed as Interspecies Romance in the story itself, and most likely the author wasn't even aware they were different species. Would it still be legitimate to put it here, or would it be better under Artistic License – Biology?
Bad Grammar, Punctuation Issues, Trope Shoehorns, Edit Warring...
... and all of the above.
So, recently stumbled across Manga.Police In A Pod, a page made exclusively by one X-FALCONER
, a relatively new guy whose edits consist mostly of editing said page...
Grammar, spelling and punctuation issues are one thing:
- "Fuji have this with Kawaii with multiple characte note that she treat her nicely compared with how she treat others"...
- Jaywalking Will Ruin Your Life: downplayed and not jaywalking but in one case Kawaii interrogate a teen that stole a bike and made her confess the girl admitted that these incident will probably make her lose her scholarship in a university at Tokyo, but she is confident that she can go there through other means. — This is lifted wholesale from the page btw, I didn't change a single thing
- Yakuza: Minor nuisances in the manga. Seiji and Takeshi at one point get to a shouting match with them after a wakashu throws away a lit cigarette onto the street. — What does this have to do with the Japanese gang syndicate called the Yakuza again?
- Irony: While Kawaii just met Yamada and Minamoto through Fuji , is shown later they found her nicer and easier to get along than Fuji who is a Jerk With The Heart Of Gold. — How is this Irony? Also, yes, they didn't double-bracket the words "irony" so it's not bluelinked.
But there's also blatant Redlinked typos that the user neglected to fix (Big Sister Instict? Jerk With The Heart Of Gold? Abusive Mother?)
... Shoehorning Tropes that doesn't fit:
- Running Gag: During the anime Kawaii and running specifically her tendency to run and the monologues she has complaining about this, thanks to the anime adapting the early chapters where Kawaii had to run a lot — I don't think that's what Running Gag means?
- Cop Killer: While not a killer White Angel is a driver that Hit and Run Sakura an Officer of the station leaving her in a wheelchair for years he is later revealed to be Kimura a father who abandoned his family whose daughter is a cop in another prefecture, the reason why he was fixated on sakura was because she looked similar to her daughter but it wasn't intentional he just dozed off after he had too many all nighter. — The entry argues with itself, and is therefore a shoehorn. Also grammar in sentences.
- Dramatic Shattering: An apartment window is busted by Fuji with her issued baton when she and some officers were conducting a wellness check and the tenant wasn't answering the door (plus the tenant had a previous meeting with the police due to concerns that he's been drinking). — The trope Dramatic Shattering means "drops and breaks an object in shock". This entry is "Breaking A Glass Window With A Baton", which... isn't a trope that exists as far as I remember.
And an 18-bulleted-point Surprisingly Realistic Outcome entry with really, really bad shoehorns
- Surprisingly Realistic Outcome: One of the manga's main strengths with reader and critics is that Miko Yasu write with a lot of realism compared to other manga principally based on her own experience as a police officer.
- While everyone treat Kawai as The Ditz in the beginning, officer of others precints say that Kawaii actually is above average as a rookie, being someone who listen to her superiors advices and use them, follow orders and have generally a good will to work, is just that they compare her to Fuji who is The Ace.
- In a case of an Abusive Mother, who hurt her 3 year old child, instead of being a sadistic Child Hater, the woman was a teenage mom whose family kicked out and have her husband working aboard,and she was overstressed, after she found herself incredibly guilty of that, but still they took her daughter away from her, much to both sadness because they loved each other, Kawai felt incredibly guilty for this thinking that if she looked deeper on the case they would still be together, she and Kana outright admitted that Kid will probably hate Kawaii, but Kana admitted there was nothing she could do because she was just a grunt.
- Because they tend to be Hot-Blooded their superior dont really like Yamada and Minamoto, while they don't dislike them they outright said that they prefer Makitaka and Nasu who meanwhile doesn't have any great skill (Makitaka is outright said to be the weakest officer in all the station) they are dilligent and don't make dumb mistakes
- Just because someone passed Training from Hell doesn't mean they are going to become great athletes, Kawai passed the police academy training which according to the manga is capable of making men cry, but she doesnt show any Charles Atlas Superpower, actually there are a lot of times she is shown struggling in police work.
- Most officers spend their entire career with little to no experience in using their guns outside of target practice. If one is used to shoot a suspect, the officer/s's actions are to be scrutinized very carefully, especially since Japan has strict anti-gun laws.
- Because their work schedule, and Japan sexist tendencies toward male oriented jobs, is pretty common for policewoman to marry policemen until now all married (Ex)and current policewoman have been married to other officers.
- When officers are involved in strong traumatic incidents, they are often told to take time off or else they cannot function mentally in the field.
- Police officers, just like other first responders, don't have the luxury of having a social life or enjoy holidays because they need to be ready in case of an emergency or they need to work to ensure others can enjoy their holidays by covering their shift.
- Because of their past antics like breaking a car and losing his Badge, the inspectors were extremely vigilant to Minamoto and Yamada.
- When Kawaii got hit by a car but was fine nonetheless Fuji made her work until an ambulance come to check her, this was later revealed to be a facade she was way more affected than she showed with Minamoto having to console her later.
- In one chapter the main duo, had to deal with a lot of animal Jinx like subduing a Dog, making a cow move and deal with a monkey, like they explain they haven't being trained to this kind of stuff so they had a lot of trouble in this, in the cow case Seiji had to do it because he was raised by a police father in the countryside had experience with cows.
- Kana cuts corners and used inquiry to pass her training from the police academy and she is shorter than the minimum height required to be a cop in the first place, making her pretty bad when she need to do something physical.
Takeshi Yamada: [about Makitaka and Kana subding a large female suspect] Sgt. Minamoto, allow me to say something as their peer. Makitaka-san is the type of person you regret doing exercise with and Kana got through the academy solely through trickery. Their inability to do anything physical is laughable.- While Fuji may be The Ace, Yamada reveals she also had her struggles when she was rookie, like when a case had to be shut down for lack of evidence and she apologized endlessly to the victim or when the victim couldn't stand the investigation and decided to suspend the investigation.
- In most cop shows the one who hurt or kill an officer tend to be extremely dangerous criminals like Crime lords or Serial killers , in this case Kimura the criminal who runned over Sakura, was simply a man who was overworked and dozed off and because of his debts tended to lay low, also the only reason why he wasn´t caught was because of the rain all evidence was erased and he got rid of the truck the principal element Fuji used to investigate the case
- After seeing Sakura accident ,her instructor and superior Onigawara entered in a state of shock, this the bad weather, and her not drinking any liquids culminated on her suffering a miscarriage, after that she never went back to police work.
- Just like in Brooklyn Nine-Nine, Fuji explain that the only reason officers like her and Kawaii could work there was because older Policewomen like Yokoi or Onigawara trailblazed during a time where the police was more sexist, and made things easier to younger officers.
- Linked with above, policewomen have to work harder than his male peers so they don't hurt the image of all the policewoman.
- Officer need to have a crime before they can act, until then ,they can only watch or warn people.
- Later in the manga, it's revealed that Kawai distanced herself a little from her family. It turns out her family lives 2 hours away and because of her work schedule, she can't come to visit very often. She's the first police officer in her family and because of a mix of police confidentiality and Mai not wanting to worry them, Mai doesn't really talk about her job.
... which the discussion thread gave me the "OK" to delete after I did a consultation / analysis...
(Cue Drumroll For War... Edit War)
... only for FALCONER to re-add the whole thing, wholesale (both of them!), with his excuse amounting to "I disagree with the deletion reasons so I'm adding everything back without even bothering to correct the grammar issues"
…given the cleanup thread disagrees with him, me re-deleting would constitute as an Edit War. We really don't want that to happen.
They also made Characters.Police In A Pod, which is the character page for the show, I guess they're a fan. But then you see shoehorns like this ( I haven't analyzed it thoroughly, that page is huge)
- Meaningful Name: Fuji is a reference to Mt. Fuji. — Isn't Fuji a super-common Japanese name?
- Meaningful Name: Kawai is cute. — Actually, "Kawai" is a Japanese word that means "Confluence". Also sounds like character gushing.
- Berserk Button: Temporarily after seeing a baby corpse, she got a button with people who downplay security measures specially with kids, a pep talk with Miyahara work this out. — I don't think that's what Berserk Button means? This entry is just "X freaks out after seeing a dead baby"...
- Fair Cop: In a more cute, than sexy way but Kawai is considered quite cute with even Minamoto (who see policewoman as apes) telling her that she is cute, once one of her classmate outright admitted than she is jealous of Kawaii boobs and figure. — "More cute than sexy" — wait, what?
- Brutal Honesty: a big part of the character specially in a Deadpan Snarker way — "X is this" violation, also grammar and lack of punctuations.
- Cool Big Sis: Sometime she gives this feeling with Kawai — "X is this" violation, also grammar and lack of punctuations.
- Fair Cop: She constantly gets compliments for her looks. — What?
There's also
- violation of Repair, Don't Respond on Recap.The Owl House S 1 E 11 Senses And Insensitivity note
- Natter on Recap.What If S 1 E 7 What If Thor Were An Only Child note
- more grammar stuff and borderline RDR on Characters.Avatar The Last Airbender The Fire Nation Royal Family
- this edit to Characters.Avatar The Last Airbender Other Characters and this edit to Recap.The Simpsons S 21 E 13 The Color Yellow having similar grammar and capitalization issues as the Police Anime page linked above.
- violation of
EDIT: Apologies for the bolding, I know there are guys who consider this an eyesore. It's just, you know, for pointing stuff out
Edited by RobertTYL
MultiVersus trivia
On Trivia.Multi Versus, I saw this comment above and below the Content Leak examples:
My understanding of our policy on leaks is that we don't acknowledge them at all until they're confirmed to be true, so we shouldn't mention that datamining revealed characters in advance until after these characters are officially revealed. Is that correct?
(By the way, I also had to hit up the WMG page, which used spoiler tags to hide guesses that were confirmed by leaks and datamining.)
Trope
How do you make a trope like this: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WebVideo/TheUltimateEdChronicles i wanna make a trope on Lucky Spirit, a series made by me based on Dream Works Animation.
DBZA: Web Video or Fan Work?
Dragon Ball Z Abridged is in the Web Video namespace, but I've been told to put it in the Fan Works folder in a TLP. Which folder it's in changes depending on the page. Sometimes it's even in both folders.
So which is it? A Web Video or a Fan Work?
Karma comes a knocking
Does Karmic Death require the death reciever be human?
Is it me or...
is the ability to edit one's comments on a review completely broken? I've tried editing some of my comments on reviews several times in the past, and consistently find the updates fail to show up, no matter how often I try. What's going on?
Should FantasyWebOriginals include WebSerialNovel?
I'm very unclear of the difference between Web Original Fiction and Web Serial Novel at this point other than maybe the intent to publish in pieces, although I know the latter is considered Literature.
Brave Little Toaster Pronoun Conflict
Not long ago, there was a discussion about the pronouns for the titular character of The Brave Little Toaster. The film itself uses he/him pronouns, while the director and voice actor refer to the toaster with she/her pronouns. The matter was brought to a vote and it was pretty much unanimously agreed that he/him pronouns should be used.
Troperfind was one of the Tropers who advocated for she/her pronouns, necessitating the discussion to begin. After the consensus was reached, the pronouns on this page were changed accordingly. However, Troperfind has changed pronouns to she/her, saying "The best thing to do for this situation is to be considerate for both argument, referring to Toaster y both male and female pronouns, so as to settle both sides of the argument."
Thing is, using both male and female pronouns was an option in the voting thread, but no one voted for it. This seems like a dismissal of consensus to push for the opposite, even if the intention was to be fair to both sides.
Edited by iamconstantine
Migrate color tropes
Color Tropes as it is stands pretty isolated and unaccessible (few potholes in Magic: The Gathering adjacent pages).
I recommend a migration to the inverse Color Tropes / Magic The Gathering or some variation thereof.
paleo media hypocrisy? inconsistency?
So the Stock Dinosaurs, Useful Notes/Prehistoric Life, Artistic License – Paleontology, Jurassic Park/World, and Primal Carnage (i only looked for 5 min there may be more) pages are all allowed to say that Abelisaur arms had little to no function and ability to move. But then the Prehistoric Planet page isn't allowed to say that? Despite the fact that Abelisaurs having vestigial arms is a widely supported hypothesis for over a decade. With it being believed that their huge shoulder blades and coracoids were instead being used to support neck muscles, and their horns being the main display and combat structure. (For anyone asking me for my sources, 2 weeks of research, and paleontologist Tyrant Lzard Queen on twitter for fact checking).
Dubious Hare-Raising Hare subpages
A few days ago, I found out that HairRaisingHare.Five Nights At Freddys and HairRaisingHare.Pokemon exist. I feel like they could both be cut:
- The FNaF page is mostly about a bunch of variants of one character, a few variants of another character, then one more other character. I'm not very familiar with the games, but I think that these examples would probably be possible to condense into a single example for each character, meaning there'd only be three examples in total.
- The Pokémon page's problem is that none of the examples are even remotely scary. They're all meant to be Ridiculously Cute Critters who just happen to be Badass Adorable (and don't necessarily stand out for it since this is a combat-oriented game where almost every creature can dish out a lot of pain). The trope is defined as "scary rabbits", not "dangerous rabbits". Additionally, some of the examples aren't even necessarily rabbits: Pikachu (who is explicitly supposed to be a mouse) and some Eeveelutions are on there.
I tried bringing this up in Trope Talk, but didn't get much attention, so I figured I might get more replies here.
Looking for a old brittish tv show Live Action TV
Don't no much about it I think it was called kicking it its nkt the martial arts american show its a teen show I remember a kid took this girls phone out of her bag and started to spread rumours and every one turned on her then the kid put the phone somewhere and every one found out it wasn't her another thing I remember a american kid joins in to play football aka soccer and he's not good at it then they put him in goal and he's good at it beause he plays basket ball he he's good at catching if it was roughly in the 2000-2005
Meta moments on Awosome page.
These entries are on Awesome.Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness:
Meta
- The casual LGBT representation, with America openly having a Pride Flag pin on her jacket and Stephen not batting an eye when he sees that she Has Two Mommies. In addition, the film was Banned In Saudi Arabia because of the brief time America's moms are on screen, but Disney reportedly refused to cut it.
- Ever since Disney bought the former 20th Century Fox, fans were wating for the moment former Fox-owned Marvel characters would appear in an MCU film. While Wandavision teased us with the supposed return of Evan Peters as the Fox!X-Men version of Quicksilver, this movie is the payoff. Because not only do we see the MCU debut of the Fantastic Four (in the form of no less than fancast favorite John Krasinski as Reed Richards), but in the moment no one could imagine, we seen the MCU debut of Charles Xavier... yes, over five years after Charles' death in Logan, Sir Patrick Stewart makes his Marvel return. And not only as Professor X, but as a live-action interpretation of the Professor X from X-Men: The Animated Series, right down to the theme song and yellow hoverchair. This was a Marvel moment for the ages, and, horrific fates aside, it did not disappoint.
- And if the above wasn't enough, we have Black Bolt with a comic-accurate costume (and the return of Anson Mount from Inhumans), Maria Rambeau as Captain Marvel, and the live action debut of Hayley Atwell as Captain Carter. The Illuminati was well represented here and, again, their fates aside, the awesomeness can not be understated.
Meta moments are not allowed and normally I would simply remove it but the thing is that I already removed a meta moment about Krasinski being there awhile back.
- The confirmation of Reed Richards being part of the Illuminati, with the added bonus of being played by fan favorite casting John Krasinski.
So, I don't know if removing this new one would count as a Edit War and thought it better to ask for opinions here first.
Edited by Bullman
Prelinary content?
For the record, adding pre-commented empty character folders is not kosher, yes? The episode airs tomorrow, so there's no real need to use placeholders now.
Edit war
On the YMMV page for Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore, the entry under More Popular Replacement was deleted by Phoenix Avalon without explanation, then re-added by Vengeful Bale with the edit reason saying "this is an opinion held by both critics and audiences I've seen." The entry was then deleted again by Omega 3421, and was then re-added by queenhippolytas, before being once again deleted by Phoenix Avalon.
Edited by Javertshark13
Agenda-based edits from a new account
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Tropers/SanFran51 is a new account who has made only one edit (technically two, but they were both on the same part of the same page one right after each other), to overshadowed by controversy: real life, which is downplaying Enoch Powell's and the UKIP stance on immigration, changing the word anti-immigration to the almost dogwhistly controlled immigration
edit here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=OvershadowedByControversy.RealLife
Am I reading too much into this?
TRS crowner
There is an active crowner for I Have the High Ground at the Trope Repair Shop. If inclined to join the discussion, do so here.
Is it worth splitting Pokémon remakes into their own pages? Videogame
I was just reading through Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire, and while it doesn't have a too-long warning, the ORAS folder is sizeable, and the remakes have significant story differences from the originals. I'm not sure about the other remakes, but Pokémon Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! already have their own page.