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Superman: Grounded Print Comic

I want to verify if these tropes on the YMMV page of Superman: Grounded are being used properly.

• Dork Age: When J. Michael Straczynski was the writer, Grounded was called the worst comic of the year.
• Hilarious in Hindsight: During Superman's conversation with the suicidal woman, Felicity Rose, Superman notes with sadness that it's not fair that JFK, John Lennon, and Gandhi are all dead but Gaddafi, Fidel Castro, and Charles Manson are still alive. By the year 2018, all three of the latter would be dead, too, and the last two would die within a year of each other.

Dork Age requires that a) the story arc is a critical and financial failure, b) any changes it brings to the Superman saga are undone by later installments and c) whenever it's referenced by other entries, it's done in a negative manner.

Hilarious in Hindsight is more than just the comic book predicting a future event. Superman #701, the issue that features that conversation, was released on July 2010, so I don't know if it really qualifies.

What do you think?

True Capitalist Radio

I found the page True Capitalist during a wiki walk and I have a couple questions:

1. Should True Capitalist be moved to Podcast.TrueCapitalistRadio? It appears to be a podcast, and I'm not sure why "Radio" isn't in the page title when it's part of the show's title.
2. Is the talk show fictional or nonfictional? I'm legitimately not sure based off of the page and I just wanted to ask in case anything was NRLEP.

How do I follow a discussion?

After posting a couple of items on the forums here, I've wanted to know when things happen in relation to those forum posts (e.g. if someone comments on them), but I don't have any idea if there is a way to get notifications for such things in the same way that one would for normal site pages (I assume that clicking the Follow button on a normal article does this, but forum posts don't seem to have these). If this isn't too bothersome and someone could explain this to me, that would be greatly appreciated!

Ant-Man Edits and Motivations. Print Comic

Hello. I would like to call attention to potentially problematic behavior.

On Ant-Man main page and its ymmv page, I added clarifications about Hank Pym's actions slapping Janet and so on (a famous Never Live It Down Moment). I quoted chapter-and-verse, issue number, comic panel and scene descriptions.

There's this poster (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=FastAsFastCanBe) who undoes my edits, in some places without giving reasons. And, in my opinion and judgment, it blatantly is leaning into Victim Blaming (attacking Janet) and minimizing and whitewashing Domestic Abuse. I put a long post on Discussion but this poster has not responded. Looking at his post-history, he seems to have started recently and mainly devoted to defending Hank Pym's good name since all his edits are related to minimizing this.

I believe this is what is called Troping with an agenda. Can someone please fix this and revert to earlier versions?

Problem troper?

Lasorani has deleted three examples of Book Dumb from pages, two of which have the edit reason "I HATE BOOK DUMBS!!!"

Edit history here

Am I missing something, or is this not kosher?

Tomboy with a girly streak, or a Girly girl with a tomboy streak?

In which sliding scale of tomboy/girliness would a female character fall into, if they had the clothing style and interest in tomboyish things, but generally have a feminine personality with girly manerisms?

Star Wars 9 Film

The Way back machine won't let me go a little further to the old WMG page of Star wars 9.

Where should I add this trope? Film

Hi everyone!

I noticed that the trope If I Can Only Move heavily applies to a scene about 10 minutes into The Last Jedi; however, I'm not sure whether to add it to the page for The Last Jedi or if I should instead add it to the Resistance Starfighter Corps page, as this trope applies to one of the Corps' members (specifically Paige Tico, the one whose movement or lack thereof is pivotal). If someone could help me figure out which trope listing to tack this onto, that would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance for any help!

Problematic troper Web Original

Happy Fry Breath has problems with ZCEs and indentation, as seen here.

No Title

Aurelian appears to be edit-warring on the RMS Titanic page.

I dunno, chief

Trivia.Super Smash Bros Ultimate

Boba_Fett88 deleted this from Content Leak:

Many details about the game were spoiler prior to its unveiling at E3 by Vergeben, a GameFAQs user. They cited that there were no cuts from For 3DS/Wii U and that the long-requested Ridley of Metroid fame would finally be playable. In addition, he correctly stated that Simon Belmont from Castlevania would be a Guest Fighter, Isabelle from Animal Crossing would be Promoted to Playable, Ken from Street Fighter would be an Echo Fighter for Ryu, Incineroar from Pokémon Sun and Moon would be the new Pokémon rep, and there would be DLC (though the last would have been an easy guess).

Their reasoning:

I agree that Vergeben was probably legit, but it's not unanimously agreed upon that he was. The fanbase is actually split on him being real or a fraud, with many understandable reasons for believing the latter.

The thing is, Vergeben wasn't wrong on any of this, so does it really matter if the fanbase is debating over it?

Editor with severe grammar problems

(Well, the subject line is a variation.) HijikataX doesn't edit very often (their last edit was in January), but their grammar is so poor that I genuinely have no idea what some of their edits are even trying to say. I haven't sent a notifier since their last edit was long enough ago, but wondered if something more than that might be needed anyway.

How does one properly split multiple works with the same title?

I was having a look at Green Lantern and I noticed that it still shares its YMMV page with the comics. And I thought, that's weird, the film should probably be listed as Green Lantern (2011) so it doesn't have to share pages with the comics. So how does one go about properly renaming the page and separating the subpages' content into individual pages?

EvilOverlordList Web Original

Evil Overlord List isn't a trope; it's a work. Should it be moved to a different namespace? It is currently in Main.

ThisIsUnforgivable placement

Should This Is Unforgivable! be a story trope or a character trope? If the latter, then should it be with the characters who find the act unforgivable, or the characters perpetrating the unforgivable act?

Town of Salem Meme Redirect Videogame

Can somebody redirect or change the page from Town Of Salem to Town of Salem. They've got the entry right, but they've got the naming wrong.

Shocking Swerve Western Animation

Okay, I've been arguing over these entries in the Tangled the Series YMMV page and I think I need to get something straight before I try arguing anymore because if I'm wrong, arguing is extremely pointless and I'm wasting everyone's time. Shocking Swerve is about twists, right? Let's say a character goes evil and there was evidence in previous episodes of their descent down a dark path would that mean when they ultimately betray their friends, would that still be a shocking swerve? I think I need a breakdown about what shocking swerve is and isn't because I'm not getting it.

ZCEs

Tropers.Cyber XIII (edits) removed a bunch of uncommented ZCEs while also adding their own ZCEs here.

Tightwire

I noticed that Tightwire added a bit on to the page description for First-Person Perspective. This was the original:

And this was after they altered it:

I was gonna check to see if this was valid, but looking through their recent edits it seems they've been adding sentences to trope page descriptions (see here) and even re-writing whole chucks of page descriptions (see here and (here) without giving any kind of edit reason or going through the Trope Description Improvement Drive, is this allowed?

Mythology Gag vs Shout-Out

If a work makes a reference to another work from the same creator/company, is it considered a Mythology Gag or a Shout-Out?

"Tips For Editing" inaccuracy

Forgive me if this isn't the best place to put this, but this has bugged me for a while. Tips For Editing claims that the "best" way to create a new trope is through the launch pad... but that implies it's even possible to not use the launch pad, which as far as I know, it isn't. I brought this up before on the Crash thread and got no responses, so I've decided I should try again here. We should fix this error, yes?

Handling tropes about unreleased works? Literature

I am currently editing the page for a five book series, out of which only two have been translated in English (all the others are still in Japanese). As such, I have only added tropes for those two books. However, I have found a number of spoilers for the third through Tumblr - not enough to tell the whole plot, but they warrant a few examples and contain some massive spoilers. Should I add examples for these or should I stick to the translated ones?

L.A. Noire Insane Troll Logic example Videogame

This example has been added to Insane Troll Logic:

In L.A. Noire, Cole accuses someone of hiding the fact that their friend was raped because when Cole asked her to describe her friend she didn't mention the fact that they were raped. This is made worse by the fact that the player needs to think to do this themselves during this character's interview, something which is highly non-intuitive for more reasons then just the insane nature of the accusation.^note  By this point the rape is pure speculation based on rip panties found in the friend's handbag and Cole assuming it to be proof that it did happen is close a Bat Deduction. Nevertheless the game is expecting the player to be on the same boat as Cole without any prompting, and thus, is expected to have the rape theory on hand as apparent proof. Combine that with the insane, non-intuitive nature of needing to accuse the character of hiding the rape; and if that isn't enough, add on the fact that the game also throws in a far more decisive and less theory-based incorrect red herring evidence that could very easily also show something that the character is hiding about their friend, and you've got an answer that expects a player to completely abandon all sense of rational logic to understand what the game is expecting them to answer it with. By official game statistics (which are logged by the game's online Social Club) close to 99% of all first time players get this part incorrect and that figure only drops to just over 90% for players who have already used an in-game "intuition point" to narrow down their answer options.

The example also got added to Conviction by Contradiction where I believe it definitely would qualify as an example. But I'm not so sure about Insane Troll Logic. Would this qualify or no? Just to add some context to the situation within the game where this happens, Cole is specifically investigating a car crash, and both the person he's talking to and their friend were car crash victims. Cole specifically asks her to describe the passenger who was in the car with her, and she responds by giving the normal general description you would give to a question like that (the passenger's name, what kind of person the passenger is, and how bad the crash has been on her). This is when the player is expected to make Cole accuse her of hiding the fact that the passenger was raped because she didn't mention it. IMO I think it's safe to say that it's a pretty ludicrous leap of logic, but what would it be Insane Troll Logic, specifically?

Aka

Why do some tropes have their alternative titles listed alongside the standard one ("aka ...") while others list them at the bottom of the page?

Edit: My link here solved the mystery! :D