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Character Derailment misuse
Luke Skywalker from The Last Jedi was added back to CharacterDerailment.Film despite it having a commented out note at top of the page not to add them.
I first deleted it and added the note per ATT
as it was objectively misused. Derailment is about unexplained, not unpopular changes and TLJ clearly showed and explained why he did such, so the complains around that fall under other items. Also Luke nearly killed Vader in a similar Moment of Weakness in ROTJ (why that was uncontroversial is a separate thing) so the the argument behind the Derailment entry is factually incorrect.
Have to ask here before re-removing. Derailment can still apply if fans see the reason as objectively insufficient to explain the change so might that apply here?
On the subject:
- Avengers: Endgame - or more specifically, the plot point of Steve Rogers staying in the past - is infamous for this among some critics and/or fanfic writers, saying it's selfish and him abandoning his best friend Bucky. Of course, there are also a number of people who say he deserved that ending.
Besides the last part arguing against, he got a sub-plot building up to/explaining why he did so. I'll cut this unless I hear anything.
Duplicate work page
It seems that someone has tried to disambiguate Film.Transformers from the Franchise.Transformers page by creating a new page for the film, Film.Transformers 2007. However, the former page still exists. It seems to me that Film.Transformers should be made a redirect to Film.Transformers 2007 and the former page should be cut, but when I tried to disambiguate works myself,note I was told that this isn't the correct procedure when I added the old pages to the cutlist. What exactly should be done in a case like this?
Potential edit war/ page ownership issues
On this page, a troper added an entry about Laurel and Barry. Kylia deleted it, saying it wasn't accurate. Another troper later added a similar entry about Laurel and Barry. Kylia removed that entry as well with a hostile edit reason:
"Laurel DID NOT FOLLOW BARRY and it certainly wasn't to 'follow up on Mirakuru'. She was already in Central City, visiting her mother, when the break-in at the Applied Sciences Center happened. Source: I wrote the damn fic."
This edit reason suggests that they are showing page ownership issues, and they may have committed an edit war, depending on how similar the entries about Laurel and Barry were.
Are we supposed to link twitter accounts of creators?
I ask because on Katie Leung theres a link to her Twitter and I have never seen that done on another page before.
Edited by Bullman
Recreating Ricardo Silva's page Music
Would it be safe to recreate Ricardo Silva's page? The Doblaje Wiki has a long list of his works that could easily be added into it.
Possible edit war
Troper Edward_de_Vere added what appears to be incorrect indentation to an already natter-filled entry on the Richard Wagner creator page. I sent an indentation notifier to them, then commented out the whole entry (bad indenting, natter, and all) saying not to add it back visibly to the page until fixed. Best I can tell, they just commented much of it back in with minimal rewording.
Not sure if this qualifies as an edit war, but am reporting it here.
Link to page history here.
Troper's edit history here.
Thanks!
Regarding the application of this Trope
Canada, Eh? is meant for stereotypical portrayals of Canadian citizens/the whole country, according to the Laconic. But from various entries that link the trope, its instead labelled as for characters that are merely Canadian or have some minor relation to the state, no matter how small.
Also I, as a fellow Canadian, find the description unbelievably offensive and long winded.RANT CLARIFICATION
Regardless, I think the description is missing clarity on the trope being about portrayals of Canada in media, and it appears to be a chairs magnet from the few entries I've seen. Some clean-up might be advised.
Do you think Succession finale has tearjerker moments? Live Action TV
So it's been about a few days since the Series Finale of Succession has arrived and only tearjerker (and Awesome page) has not recently add a sub example for this last episode so far. Is the last episode has zero tearjerker moments or has people stop caring for this finale for some reason? I need someone who know this show to explain. (Btw I have known a little about this show so I can't edit the work page of the show)
Requirements to apply for ShortLivedBigImpact
The description for Short-Lived, Big Impact includes this section: “Short works that were great but have not influenced their genre a lot yet (ex: Firefly, Gravity Falls) don't go here.” However both Firefly and Gravity Falls have listings on the page. Should the examples be removed or should the description be changed?
Edited by costanton11
A problem with a title for a work page Web Original
I want to create a work page about some Super Smash Bros. machinima created by a channel called LucarioDXAuraStorm.
The problem is that I want to include specifically those parodies from that channel, since his content is diverse and it's been a long time since he did Smash parodies, and most importantly, those don't even have a specific title. I don't think I can, for example, put "LucarioDXAuraStorm's Smash Parodies", since it would be too long for a title, and "Super Smash Bros. Parodies" or "Super Smash Bros. Bloopers" it's too generic.
What do you think I should do?
(Continued) YMMV page issue
Gray Mans Endless Incite is continuing to add only non-YMMV items to YMMV.Neocron which they created.
I bright this up before and PM'd them about it being misuse. So before cutting the page/moving valid examples anything need to be done about this continued issue first?
Update: Looking over the entries Videogame Flamethrowers Suck seems like the only valid example (not about player reaction to them, definitely correctly used). So I'll just move that/cut the rest unless anyone objects.
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught
Permission to change entry on Fanfic/MagmaDragonKing without causing an EditWar.
On March 21st, 2023, I added the following entry to Adaptational Backstory Change:
- Whereas Jellal was a genuinely heroic person once in canon before being Brainwashed and Crazy by Ultear for the better part of a decade, here he's Not Brainwashed, is just naturally twisted, and his "heroic" personality was nothing but a front he put on and then discarded in his quest for power. Kairomaru outlined this themself when a commenter expressed their mixed feelings on Jellal's death since, beforehand, this distinction wasn't apparent in the main story itself.
- The Continuity Snarl-inducing retcon that Jellal was Brainwashed and Crazy by Ultear for the better part of a decade despite the age difference between Ultear and Jellal is removed, meaning that he's Not Brainwashed and is just naturally twisted, and his "heroic" personality was nothing but a front he put on and then discarded in his quest for power.
- The notion that the original version is a Continuity Snarl is debatable, especially when it is treated as such nowhere else on this site.
- For context, Ultear Milkovich was a member of the Dark Guild "Grimoire Heart", obsessed with trying to release The Black Wizard Zeref so they could take over the world, Ultear having been recruited by Guildmaster Hades at a young age after she escaped from a government experiment facility. One of her first jobs was obtaining one of the "keys" to unlocking Zeref by manipulating Jellal Fernandes, a child slave at the Tower Of Heaven who had led a rebellion to free the slaves there, but was shortly after brainwashed by Ultear into continuing the horrors at the Tower so that he could "revive" Zeref, feigning that she was his partner in the process. This lasted until the titular "Tower Of Heaven" arc where, after having kidnapped his old friend/love interest Erza Scarlet, Jellal fought and lost to main character Natsu Dragneel, the Tower being destroyed and Jellal believed to have died, when in truth he survived, just barely, and was freed from the brainwashing, but struck with Laser-Guided Amnesia.
- As PutotyraNoZarus's reasoning for putting it as such is unstated outside of the entries "age difference", not even providing an Edit Reason, I don't really know. The Sinful claimed in the comments for a review by Very Melon that fic author Kairomaru stated "how nonsensical he found it was that she was somehow perfectly controlling him from a distance despite being brand new to her magical studies", except I can find no record of Kairomaru saying that, and it ignores the fact that the reason Ultear was even in that experimentation facility was because of the sheer raw magic power she had since birth, and that she had spent years there being experimented on, some of which was willing since she had escaped once prior to the escape that led to her joining Grimoire Heart, but had returned of her own accord due to her own Dark and Troubled Past. Even the age difference aspect feels like flimsy reasoning since canonically, Ultear is pretty close to Jellal in age.
outlined this themself when a commenter expressed their mixed feelings on Jellal's death since, beforehand, this distinction wasn't apparent in the main story itself." as it could be seen as unneccesary, and had only added it myself because the fact Jellal wasn't being brainwashed really wasn't apparent in the story itself by that point, but to add the idea it was a Continuity Snarl feels very much like an opinionated aspect, which isn't done on trope pages themselves. As such, I request permission to alter the entry to the following:
- Canonically, Jellal was Brainwashed and Crazy by Ultear for the better part of a decade, changing from a heroic and kind person to a ruthless and twisted monster until he was freed. Here, the latter is his natural personality, the former being a front he put on then later discarded once he had control over the Tower of Heaven himself.
Concerning troper
Swiftling 753 has made quite a few edits that center around fat fetishism, some of which they've even gone against the wiki's rules to make, such as adding Periphery Hatedom (which is Flame Bait) to this page. In other cases, they've replaced a Fan Disservice entry with Best Known for the Fanservice (pretty much the opposite), and explicitly mentioned fat fetishism in the edit reasons on the YMMV page for a kid's show. I'm getting a bit concerned.
Example Deletion Live Action TV
I added the below example to a character page, and a user deleted it on the grounds that "Being the assistant to Will was clearly Nate choosing to do the job an act of penance". I don't think there's anything in the trope description that says this would preclude the example from qualifying, so I wanted to check if this was a valid deletion.
Ethnic Menial Labour: In the season three finale, Nate is the "assistant to the kitman" despite being vastly overqualified for the job, and spends the episode picking up water bottles, pushing a laundry cart, and performing various forms of labour for the all white coaching staff.
This same user has also deleted my and others' factually accurate additions in the past and sent me various P Ms accusing me of "lionizing" the character in question and "demonizing" another, which I know they have done to other users as well.
SoYouWantTo have a bunch of red links...
So I noticed yesterday that someone made Write The Next Bionicle, which was recently put on the Cut List. I went to the main index to So You Want To and...there are a lot of red links. Like a lot. And they've been added to the page for years without any sort of effort on actually making them pages.
What should be done about these? I know red links are not inherently bad, but I question why these should even be there to begin with.
Want confirmation on unexplained additions to Ubermensch's trope's description.
According to this edit, a user made substantial changes on the trope description of Übermensch. Was this change discussed anywhere? I asked the same question in the Trope Description Improvement Drive, but I didn't get a reply.
Full page versions
Is there a way to see the full versions of pages in the history? By this I don't mean the edit history, but what the pages looked like after edits. I ask because sometimes there are deletions of nested examples, and it is not clear of which trope it was written as an example.
Ambiguous Tropes
Why did Ambiguous Disorder become YMMV when others like Ambiguously Bi and Ambiguous Innocence remain ordinary tropes?