(Edit) war! Huh! Yeah! What is it good for?

Absolutely nothing! Say it agai—

..Ahem.

Anyway, a few minutes ago somebody removed a shoehorned entry on the final episode of WandaVision. The one who'd posted it, Xenoslayer 2137, put it back. (Spoilers! Be warned!)

Also, they used bad indentation after being sent a notifier about that problem by me. (I can't get the link to work, but it's the edit that begins "Also during the same sequence" and has three bullet points.

Edited by MichaelKatsuro

Possible misuse of narm Live Action TV

The YMMV page of Superman & Lois has two entries of Narm, both from the pilot, which read:

• The dramatic intensity with which Clark confesses his origin story to Jon and Jordan can be so over-the-top in a "well, when you say it like that, this whole thing is actually pretty silly" kind of way. With the way it's played out, you'd almost expect for Clark to laugh and yell "just kidding!" instead of proving himself by lifting the truck.
• Nobody at the party noticing Jordan using his heat vision during the brawl, even though he's surrounded by dozens of people, some of whom are filming the brawl. Makes the emotional and shocking scene seem unintentionally comedic.

I have to ask, is this valid? Narm only applies for moments that are meant to be taken seriously but instead come off as hilarious, not moments that either fall flat or just don't have the intended effect.

More "So It Sucks" knee jerk

YMMV.Pokemon Legends Arceus

• They Copied It, So It Sucks!: The immediate reaction from the less-than-pleasant side of the fanbase was that Pokemon is merely copying The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild. The irony of this entire statement is that the Pokemon fanbase has wanted an open-world, Breath of the Wild style game for quite some time.

This sounds more like a Hatedom or Vocal Minority given it admits this is what most fans wanted. A Win Back the Crowd entry was added, then removed per waiting period, arguing most of the fans were happy and did not think this. (Would Win the Crowd apply here?)

I've had two other ATT's arguing "So It Sucks" shouldn't apply to prerelease so I'll cut the entry unless I hear anything.

Are audience reactions are true or false?

I found some examples where I think audience react to the movie or tv show sounds kinda made up. So I want you guys to check if that's true. Here some examples: 1. From Intouchables.

• Americans Hate Tingle: A smashing hit in every country it was screened, with high critical praises... and a complete bomb in the United States, with generally negative reviews and racism accusations. Ironically, The Upside became a hit in States and a massive failure abroad with terrible reviews to boot.

2. From Gut Punch

• Hereditary: The trailers for this movie strongly implied that the movie would be about a Creepy Child, 13-year-old Charlie, who has inherited something bad and/or supernatural from her dead grandmother. This is why her death by decapitation 45 minutes into the movie resulted in audiences screaming and leaving the theater in tears.

3. From No Ending.

• The Sopranos infamously ended with a simple Smash to Black mid-scene. People who worked at cable companies had to answer hours and hours of angry phone calls because they thought something was wrong with their televisions; news programs even ran segments on it afterward.

1.Since when Americans hated it? I don't know if it's true that the remake is a massive failure since it has mixed reviews or it just me. 2. Who the hell act like that in a theater? I think that sounds like the troper is overreacting. 3. Is there's any proof that people have to answer every angry people's call? Anyways I don't know where Tropers found some "facts" So can you help me?. Note: I did put the first example in Fact check thread forum but no one answered.

Edited by Bubblepig

Troper making potentially agenda-biased edits

patriciovalencia117 has been making several potentially political agenda-based edits on pages. For example:

• On UsefulNotes.Boris Johnson removed a comparison of the man to Marine Le Pen,
• Replaced a portion of an entry about Tony Blair on OvershadowedByControversy.Real Life that previously said his popularity went down after weapons of mass destruction in Iraq were discovered not to exist with a new portion that said his popularity went down "among his left-leaning supporters," and
• Removed portions of an entry on the 2019 British election on LandslideElection.Real Life that criticized Theresa May, while adding a new portion that insinuated that candidate Jeremy Corbyn lost because of an alleged "socialist agenda."

And I'm sure there are more. Should we do something here?

Edited by themayorofsimpleton

TVT Timeline question regarding namespaces

Does anyone know/remember when we started no longer using the Main namespace for media pages?

"The Pete Best" Trivia page -- Real Life folder and music entry

While looking at the Trivia entry The Pete Best, I noticed a couple things that look problematic. Specifically:

-the Real Life folder contains not just people, but inanimate objects such as record labels, geographical places, theme parks, locomotives, and letters of the English alphabet. Not only is it hard to see justification for the entries, am thinking this doesn't even apply to non-sentient beings.

-in the Music page for this entry, there's a folder that says "Trope Namer." Rightly, it includes Pete Best himself, but it also contains an entry for Stuart Sutcliff, who was also an early member of The Beatles, but obviously isn't Pete Best himself. Am thinking this should be moved elsewhere (to the "B" folder).

Would appreciate feedback before acting on these two issues. Thanks!

Is "Faint In Shock" a stock phrase?

I think that my TLP is just about ready for launch, but I realized that I've heard the current title about a million times.

Would Faint In Shock run afoul of the No New Stock Phrases rule, or is it just a sequence of words that show up on a semi-regular basis because they're Exactly What It Says on the Tin?

Edit war, or no?

I think the page for The Last Kingdom is dealing with an edit war, but I really can't tell...

oreida added a caption to the page image: "And in that picture every color in the series is shown. The sun never seems to shine."

With the edit reason, "I got fed up with how colorless and dark the palette is. Delete at will."

Thorion deleted it with the reason, "Inaccurate, as the sun shines often."

oreida then added a new caption, "Those blueish hues say it all." with the reason, "True, the sun does shine, so that was inaccurate. But bright colors are notably absent. Just watch."

I can't tell if this is an edit war or not, because the exact same phrasing hasn't been re-added twice, but it is the same Troper. It also seems that their only reason for adding this caption is "the show has a dark color palette that I don't like and I need to say so," which I don't think is kosher. Before I send a notifier for edit warring, does this count as one?

Subjective pages by work's creators Webcomic

I've only just recently realised that the only non-cleanup/maintenance edits to the YMMV/, Awesome/, AwesomeMusic/, Funny/, Heartwarming/, and NightmareFuel/ subpages of Webcomic.White Dark Life have been made by either Luigifan or PrinnyOverlord... who are identified on the main page as the work's co-creators.

Should they be cutlisted?

Edited by mlsmithca

Vampire anime Anime

Its an anime that has this like vampire theme... There is a doctor? (brown hair) i remember he has like stubbles but he wears a long white coat... The main character has blue hair and they live in like a small town... there are vampires... It has this specific style with the hair of the characters being ribbon like and by that i mean the ends of their hair is like the tips of ribbons (W shaped)... I think the town is trying to get rid of the vampires and stuff

Epic Fail ZCEs

A user known as Derv0s B 2 has made a few additions to the Epic Fail subpages for Western Animation, Live-Action Films, and Live-Action TV that seem to lack proper context.

From Western Animation:

• In Transformers: Prime, there's Miko and Raf trying to lie to Optimus in "Speed Metal", which couldn't really have aroused much more suspicion.

From Live Action Films:

• Deadpool (2016): Deadpool's attempt to fight Colossus results in him breaking both hands and a foot without Colossus moving a muscle.
  Deadpool: Ow! Fuck!! Your poor wife! Colossus: You really should stop.

From Live Action TV:

• The Silence's assassin River Song not only rebels, but almost destroys the universe trying to prevent the designed victim's death. And that's not to mention that Stable Time Loop thing...
• In "Under the Lake", Clara's social-interaction cue cards don't work out the way she hoped.

If you weren't familiar with these works, would these submissions properly explain how the trope is used?

How does the site calculate visitors?

I noticed that Related pages say "this article has brought X people to the wiki from non-search engine links." What exactly does this mean and how does it find this number?

Colonia Contra Ataca Web Original

Web Video / Colonia Contra Ataca

Edit Page

Note: This page was cut for reason: Stub work page with no tropes for two years.

Except the fact that I was adding tropes since yesterday, and mod Berrenta DELETED EVERYTHING I MADE on it, just because of an inactive troper who made the page before me, and his edit was a stub, not mine.

Edited by Cenourinha

Pokemon The Series divisions

Just out of academic curiosity, who split the Pokemon anime pages up according to season/series? It's something I'd actually been thinking about doing myself for months but never got around to it. I want to give major props to whoever did so, especially since they did it all on Pokemon Day.

Ban-evader

Leiks seems to be a ban-evading account for Leikster18.

Also, their grammar is bad, even though they've been warned about it and gone to the Help With English thread once (but never posted anything there).

TLP Crowner Conundrum.

My TLP draft, Disco Sucks, has a title crowner. There's one problem: the crowner with the highest consensus range, Disco is dead, is a Stock Phrase, which violates No New Stock Phrases. Am I supposed to go with the second highest result so I don't violate wiki policy?

Edit: Someone downvoted Disco is dead, so it's no longer the crowner result with the highest consensus range. I still think the topic warrants an answer in case this happens again though.

Edited by Kevjro7

Complaining and speculation of the Holy Terror trivia page

I was looking at the trivia page for Holy Terror and noticed some examples that struck me as questionable:

• Divorced Installment: The story was originally meant to be a Batman story set in the "Millerverse" called Holy Terror, Batman!, a nod to Robin's "Holy (whatever!)" Mad Libs Catch Phrase from the '60s Batman series. (Miller was probably not aware of an Elseworlds tale already called Batman: Holy Terror.) Supposedly, Frank Miller decided to take the book to Legendary because he realized it was "not a Batman story" and the hero was "much closer to Dirty Harry than Batman". A much more popular theory is that DC Comics refused to let this be an actual Batman story, partially due to the fact that Bob Schreik (who had been pushing for Miller) had been laid off by DC and went over to Legendary. The last part is pure speculation. At the very least it could be rewritten to be less snarky.

• Lying Creator: Frank Miller stated he took Holy Terror to Legendary because it was "not a Batman story" (See Divorced Installment) However, when reading Holy Terror, it still shares much in common with Frank Miller's Batman works, from similar costume designs to characters resembling said works and even recurring tropes from his previous works. When the characters' outfits are basically Batman and Catwoman minus the ears, not-Catwoman even saves herself from a fall with claws in her gloves and talks about having nine lives, Donegal is a totally unaltered Jim Gordon, and we get post-meme-ASBAR-style spamming of the word "Goddamn," it's obvious that the Batman serial numbers were filed off very late in production. And again, throw in the fact that Miller moved when (and where) the guy pushing for the story did. This has led to the theory that Frank Miller lied and that DC refused to make it a Batman story. Again, this is speculation and comes off as creator bashing.

I get that Holy Terror is controversial, but that stuff is supposed to stay off the trivia page.

Troper with poor grammar

Faar added the Old Shame example to Trivia.Summoning Salt with a number of grammar errors. I fixed the example and sent a notifier.

Today, they edited the example again, in the process making a mistake they also made when first adding it ("...wouldn't became such an icon..." instead of "wouldn't have become such an icon..."). I sent another notifier, making it clearer what they did wrong, but it is concerning that they made the same mistake twice, even after being corrected.

A quick look at their history reveals that there are grammar errors in most of their edits. Thankfully, these edits are not very frequent and got corrected quickly afterwards. But this is a concerning trend, since it creates more problems for others to fix.

Edited by Zuxtron

Removing redlinks issue?

Troper NFSF1McLaren went into the page for The La's and removed several redlinks I had inserted into the page back several months ago. In some cases, it's okay to do, such as for the pothole I had created for the group's self-titled album. I had reverted some of these examples after ill-advisedly putting them in under circumstances like this one, but didn't catch them all.

But they also did so for a pop group name and ones I had done for three band members names and the album's producer, which I'm less sure about — especially given that they gave the edit reason as "Removed unused links." My understanding is that it's not okay to systematically strip out redlinks just because they're redlinks. Then again, I could be too fussy here on these specific examples.

Edit history

Would appreciate some feedback on this. Thanks!

Edited by BoltDMC

Please give me a few more chances

Look, I'm sorry of what you guys saw who I am even though I've been on here since March 05, 2019. but I just want to help and do things on TV Tropes. so please just give me some chances. I'll try to buy Grammarly for my Grammar.

How much context does The Reveal need?

On Series.Wanda Vision, I found these examples of The Reveal.

• The Reveal:
  • Episode four, "We Interrupt This Program", marks the change in format from episodes that are full sitcom episodes and provides more context to the events seen in Episodes 1 - 3 that went otherwise unexplained.
  • Episode seven, "Breaking the Fourth Wall" reveals that a character in the series is not whom they seem to be and is much more aware of what's going on in Westview.
  • Episode eight, "Previously On", due to having Agatha force Wanda to relive her memories, winds up answering many unanswered questions from even outside the show's events and sets up the players for the season finale.

They used to have more content to them, albeit spoiled out, but Rva 98014 edited down to this with this edit reason:

I know that we strive to use as little spoiler tags as possible, but this feels like cutting out context to me. Am I wrong?

Fan favorite problems? Print Comic

Someone keeps changing an actual fact to a common fanfic set up and now just claims "word of God" but it's not even close. I even made a review explaining why they were wrong and people flagged it saying I was just ranting. Isn't that what reviews are for?

Edit for clarity: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/Daken

The same person keeps changing facts and even claiming the current author made it canon, it isn't. They even added flair to make it sound good. I found zero proof of it. There's one very active author who likes the idea he's ace and a sociopath, etc, but it isn't canon fact.

Edited by night_goddess666

Question about the cut list

I recently stumbled across Film.La Misma Luna, which has 0 tropes and should go to the cut list. I noticed that the cut information has the number of pages that once linked to it. Do I have to type that in manually or is it automatic?