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openDarkest Hour - too soon?
- The 2020 pandemic of COVID-19, also known as novel coronavirus or simply coronavirus. While the Earth is no stranger to pandemics (with ebola virus, SARS, and swine flu all having taken place within a quarter of a century prior to coronavirus), this particular outbreak led to some of the most draconian anti-spread policies and measures ever, with many countries closing their borders, hospitals scrambling desperately to treat those who have been infected, many jurisdictions enacting self-quarantine/shelter-at-home orders (wherein people are not allowed to leave home unless it is for essential reasons such as work or shopping for supplies), people cleaning out store shelves to stock up on supplies (including toilet paper of all things), many mass-gathering events like Fan Conventions being either postponed or cancelled, schools and colleges closing, and hundreds of thousands of businesses either enacting work-from-home policies, limiting their services (restaurants, for example, barring customers from dining in) or closing up entirely (with all the layoffs that follow), all while the count of those afflicted and those dead from the virus continue to pile up. It may not be the deadliest pandemic yet, but it doesn't discount the massive changes in lifestyle as well as the severe economic damage that will inevitably follow; to put it this way, roadways that are infamous for traffic congestion (such as I-405 in Los Angeles) have become scarily empty (or paradise, for those who hate being stuck in an impromptu parking lot) even during what would otherwise be peak hours.
The "will inevitably follow" means it's speculative as opposed to have happened. We cut some other COVID-19 related stuff here so there is precedent of it being used knee-jerk. Cut?
DarkestHour.Real Life is the sort of thing that's had a lot of overly reactionary, ROCEJ, and too soon to call examples. Thoughts on a 5 to 25 year waiting period? (I'd go with 25 as we need a lot of context to say if it really was darkest in retrospect.)
openAre the FilmsDiscussedByMoviebob an example list?
Are the Films Discussed By Moviebob pages allowed to have YMMV entries on it? I guess they're In-Universe reviews...
It's a very weird page series... Connected to web reviews, but no actual work page for it?
Should "Films Discussed By Moviebob" be in a work namespace?
Edited by MaladyopenBait-and-Switch Finalist
This is a pattern I frequently see in Tournament Arcs, but I'm not sure if we have a trope for it. Basically, the winner and their friend/rival are participating in a tournament, and promises to face each other in the finals. Somehow, the two are never set to match each other before that, but anyway the friend/rival loses to a darkhorse during the semi-finals, forcing the hero to face a much stronger opponent while swearing to "avenge" their lost friend.
openHow do I write a Trope Co. Entry?
I want to make a Trope Co entry for Gravity Master but I have no idea how it should be written. Can anyone tell me?
openIndexing recap pages Live Action TV
I wrote a couple recap pages for two season one episodes of NUMB3RS but for some reason they are not indexing properly? Is there something I am doing wrong or is there something else going on?
openQuestionable edit
On FollowTheLeader.Western Animation, Excelsior 123 re-added an example and added a commented-out note saying this:
"To the jerks who keep deleting anything negative related to your precious and flawless Disney Junior, DO NOT delete this or else I'm reporting you to TV Tropes staff."
Edited by MrMediaGuy2openVideoGame/SonicForces actually DarkerAndEdgier? Videogame
An excerpt from the Sonic Forces trope page:
- Darker and Edgier:
- Eggman has managed to take over the world, and the first gameplay trailer shows Modern Sonic fighting robots in an utterly decimated city. Eggman's robot armies have also shifted from signature cutesy types of the past, and even the Egg Pawns that have been recurring since Sonic Heroes have been redesigned into much more stoic, artificial-looking machines with visible weaponry and Glowing Eyes of Doom.
- The Avatar seems to be carrying a gadget called a "Wispon," which effectively utilizes Wisp powers in forms like the Red Wisp as a flamethrower, heavily implying that the Resistance essentially has no choice but to resort to making powerful weapons to return the favor against Eggman's forces.
- The Story Trailer reveals Doctor Eggman is preparing to destroy Sonic and friends for good. Granted, he tried this before, but this time, he's closer to succeeding than ever before.
The first point is based on the trailer, the second is Fridge Logic/Horror, and the third isn't a strong supporter for the game's Darker and Edgier status (Dr. Eggman tries to kill Sonic and co. every game, and just because he came closer to doing so here makes the game Darker and Edgier?). As a whole, I feel that these points are just generally over-exaggerating how gritty this game actually is.
If anything, this entry should describe how the game attempts to be Darker and Edgier, but falls flat compared to a game like Sonic Adventure 2 which dealt with themes like sacrifice, loss of a loved one, and going mad with vengeance while Sonic Forces had some off-hand mentions of torture and insanity (neither of which amount to anything, and neither were present in the Japanese version), and a war that keeps getting mentioned but we never actually see the effects of other than stuff getting blown up. (Also this is just my opinion but Infinite is so badly written that it's hard to take him seriously.) At the very least, we can talk about the art style, which is definitely less colorful than previous installments.
Edited by supernintendo128openTropes for Baby Obsessions?
I noticed in different mediums that there are trends of people obsessing over babies. Some of them try to steal them from the womb (like in the French and English versions of the movie Inside), kidnap them as infants (like Mad May with baby Summer from Eastenders), etc. With so many instances (especially in Lifetime and theatrical movies like When the Bough Breaks), should it be here as a trope?
openShould one-off actions in an episode be listed as Character tropes?
So when a series airs its episode, Tropers rush to fill the Character pages by listing the events that happened during that particular episode. For example, during episode X the character A gets captured despite being shown as a Badass and never gets captured during the rest of the series, In this case should the character page list "Badass In Distress" as Character A's Character trope? I don't think that that's how Charcater page is supposed to be used, but still asking because I'm seeing an increasing trend towards such practices.
openSame name pages
I want to write a page for a fanfic I really like, but its title is Not the intended use (phrased exactly like this), which is the same as the trope Not the Intended Use (pretty sure the fic was named after the trope). What do I do here? Do I simply write Fanfic/NotTheIntendedUse or do I have to specify "Not the intended use (fanfic)"?
openI need help cleaning up these mess (SCP Foundation characters sheet) Web Original
Just to make it clear how bad it is, this is from Characters.SCP Foundation SC Ps 5000 To 5999
- And Then John Was a Zombie: In SCP-5000, The Foundation itself is the Monster of the Week.
- Alternate Universe: The SCP comes from either this, a previous iteration of the universe or the past before it was changed via Reset Button. In any case, the Foundation found no ties between the SCP and their still-living version of the employee that died inside the suit.
- Always Chaotic Evil: The cured Foundation personnel are unable to feel pain or sympathy and are nearly emotionless. The hidden dialogue hints that this is the natural state of the human race.
- Apocalyptic Log: The majority of the article features one, with data logs being the only thing still functioning from the SCP, that detail a Foundation employee's cross country trek in a world where the SCP Foundation declared war on humanity.
- Bittersweet Ending: Despite near-impossible odds, Pietro manages to reset the timeline at the cost of his own life. But since it's never revealed what the secret that caused the Foundation's Face–Heel Turn was there's no way to tell if it will happen again.
- Also since the Eldritch Abomination inside humanity's collective unconsciousness hasn't been stopped it's still able to continue its unknown goals. At least in the new timeline humanity may have a chance of stopping it without resorting to genocide as now they know what happened last time.
- Blue-and-Orange Morality: The SCP Foundation believe that the extermination of humanity is the right thing to do. Scant references imply that it's thanks to a discovery that humanity itself is abhorrent and anomalous. And if the revelation that a foreign entity gave emotions to humanity's collective unconscious in the past is correct, then humans as a whole are originally inclined to this kind of morality before the entity stepped in.
- Body Horror: Pietro tries to bury the corpse of a young boy, only for hundreds of worms with the child's face to burst out of it.
- Brown Note: Whatever the Foundation learned that made them declare war on humanity, it's something very dangerous for the uninitiated to learn. When an interrogated MTF member revealed it to his interrogators, it caused them to essentially be put in a state of perpetual screaming.
- Call-Back: To 2998. "Can't fit round pegs in square holes", can you?
- Clingy Costume: Pietro is forced to wear SCP-5000 throughout his entire trip. Not because he can't remove it but because it is keeping him as The Needless and invisible for his walk across the country in a world where humanity is getting systematically exterminated.
- Conditioned to Accept Horror: As his on-foot trek continues Pietro becomes more and more desensitized to the constant genocide happening around him. This doesn't help his self-image.
- Continuity Cavalcade: Over a dozen different SCPs get referenced in this article, mostly with reports explaining how the Foundation is unleashing them on humanity for maximum casualties. In addition, Pietro's goal, though he can't remember it, is putting SCP-055 in contact with SCP-579, the "square peg in round hole" scenario a couple of other articles reference.
- Curb-Stomp Battle: While the Foundation are eventually defeated by Pietro reseting the timelime their attack on humanity is an absolute slaughter. They easily destroy entire cities overnight, crush the GOC and Church of the Broken God's alliance and force the Serpent's Hand to abandon the universe.
- Death by Irony: Not literal death but the Foundation has their apocalypse reversed just like they had previously used a Reset Button to overwrite the apocalypses caused by all the other world-ending horrors.
- Eldritch Abomination: Late in his travels, Pietro comes across several Foundation soldiers fighting against a weird entity that resembles a human stretched across the sky. It is assumed to be the the foreign entity that invaded humanity's collective unconscious in the past and gave emotions to humanity as a whole for unknown reasons, and since the humanity that it controls is dying, it attempts to materialize itself to defeat the Foundation and to (perhaps ironically) defend the humanity that it controls at the time.
- Enemy Mine: The Global Occult Coalition and The Church of the Broken God are normally hated by the Foundation, but neither wanted humanity to be wiped out and occasionally cooperated as the biggest forces opposing the corrupted Foundation. Ultimately, it wasn't enough, with the GOC being wiped out and the Church crippled.
- The Extremist Was Right: After discovering a horrible secret regarding the truth behind humanity's collective unconscious, the Foundation ends up agreeing with SCP-682 that there is something inherently wrong with humanity...and deciding that eradicating humanity is the only logical step to spare them from this fate.
- Face–Heel Turn: The Foundation as a whole undergoes one of these after discovering something horrible.
- Feel No Pain: While conducting purges of uncorrupted SCP soldiers, the Foundation would test them by stabbing them. Most had no reaction, while those who did were promptly killed.
- One Foundation scientist claims that humanity as a whole is not supposed to feel pain.
- Foreshadowing: This line from the interrogated MTF member might seem nothing at first glance but it hints at what the Foundation of SCP-5000's universe learned. It is the same line SCP-682 expresses when talking about humanity
Samuel Ross: …disgusting.
- Heroic Sacrifice: Pietro manages to create a Reality-Breaking Paradox that restores the world, but in order to do so he has to jump into the pit containing SCP-579, dying on impact with the ground.
- Hoist by His Own Petard: Three of these occur. The Foundation, which was created to protect humanity from world-destroying horrors, end up exterminating the human race. But then Pietro combines SCP-055 and SCP-579 to create a Reset Button that restores the world just as the Foundation had previously used the same method to stop an Alien Invasion. Even better, in order to do it Pietro needed the aid of an advanced armour suit the Foundation itself had created.
- Living Statue: Eventually Pietro starts finding statues of SCP soldiers except they have blades for hands, a permanent grimace on their face, and ability like SCP-173. They turn out to be frighteningly effective in killing people too.
- Oh, Crap!: Pietro could only utter a "Fuck me" when the Foundation released a global message revealing their existence and their intent to exterminate mankind.
- The Purge: The first people the Foundation killed were those of its own membership that had not been hit by whatever "cured" them.
- Reset Button: As in SCP-2998, combining SCP-055 with SCP-579 accomplishes this.
- The Reveal: Hidden text in the last image implies that what the Foundation learned to make them want to exterminate humanity made them essentially see humanity the same way SCP-682 sees humanity.
- It gets better! The hidden dialogue in the blank space between the final journal entry and the footnotes and the hidden implications in the article depicts that in the past, a foreign entity entered humanity's collective unconscious and gave humanity the ability to feel emotions like empathy...emotions which humans aren't supposed to be able to experience at all.
- "Shaggy Dog" Story: Unfortunately even though Pietro eventually reached his goal humanity was essentially exterminated by this point, he is left with no answers, and he could only make SCP-055 come into contact with SCP-579 by dropping from a fatal height, causing him to die before his remains were transported to the main SCP universe.
- Luckily reading SCP-2998 makes it more of a Bittersweet Ending. It's implied that Pietro really did reset the timeline to save humanity.
- ...but then potentially Double Subverted when one realizes that, thanks to this timeline reset, whatever entity the alternate Foundation found within the collective unconscious and was trying to fight by exterminating humanity is still out there, and now there's nothing stopping it from pursuing whatever its goals are in granting humanity empathy. Though since the Foundation has SCP-5000 now they may be able to rediscover it.
- Technically-Living Zombie: The "cured" Foundation members are still alive, but feel no pain or fear and refer to those who do as "live ones". It's implied that they sacrificed some core element of their humanity itself thanks to discovering it to be unnatural and repulsive since it is assumed that humans originally do not have emotions at all (or at least not certain ones such as empathy).
- Was Once a Man: The Foundation as a whole. They still look human but definitely aren't. Even the personifications of Death can't recognize them as humans anymore.
- You Have Outlived Your Usefulness: The first thing the newly insane Foundation does is execute most of its staff with gunfire.
Obvious mistake like bad Administrivia.Example Indentation In Trope Lists and ZCE aside, I think the problem is how this is more like a work's trope page despite being in a character sheet (even the header named after the article, not a character or faction or something). And as such it troping several characters at once (mostly Pietro Wilson and the altered Foundation, despite how they don't work together), and include plot/narrative tropes. Seriously, if it has proper summary I would just move this to its own work page. But no, all it has is link to article and trope list.
This isn't just one case (please check the page's history, as well as other character sheets'), sometime they're bad enough that the folder say one name but all tropes belong to a completely different character or the writing gimmick of the article. And as a wiki, you can bet that this kind of thing will keep coming.
Edited by KuruniopenHow do I add a video example?
I have a video example ready for Inanimate Insanity, but I have no idea how to upload it. Can someone tell me?
openHow should I handle an incorrect page name? Film
I created X The Man With X Ray Eyes last night after watching the movie, and managed to eliminate the "the" from the title before cross-linking it in about a dozen places. I did get the custom Wiki Word right. Am I better off creating it anew under the right title, and then modifying the references? Setting up a redirect? Just shrugging and saying it's close enough?
openPreempting an edit war over TheProtagonist.
Preempting an edit war over The Protagonist.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Characters.KillingStalking
I'm removing The Protagonist wicks since such an Omnipresent, No Straight Examples, Please! trope, shouldn't get over 2000 wicks.
If there's anything important to say about someone being a protagonist, we should have the trope to get into the specifics.
And its potholes are usually irrelevant, since most tropes don't change even if a participant is The Protagonist.
...
Villain Protagonist is rarer, so the "[[Villain Protagonist deuteragonist]]" on the page should stay... And possibly be un-potholed, to "Villain Protagonist deuteragonist", so all the info is clear...
Edited by MaladyopenStart a Work page Literature
Ok, hey there everyone. let's cut to the chase. I want to start a page for one of my favorite Light Novel series, Campfire Cooking In Another World With My Absurd Skill. But I'm having a bit of trouble getting started since this is my first time doing something like this.
Could any of you lend me a hand? Thanks.
openCreator/LoganPaul page full of complaining?
Logan Paul discusses his controversies. The YMMV page is even worse; it's filled with complaining and imported drama. As far as I can tell, none of that is kosher, right?
openactor allusion
does Actor Allusion also apply to previous professions the actor had, before acting?
openCrossover recommendations Anime
The fanfic The Dimensional Drifter is a crossover between two animes, but is only on the recommended fics list of one of them. Can I just add it to the second without asking anyone?
Found this on the page for 'https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MemeticPsychopath":
"This is deconstructed in the infamous "Darker Side of the Fandom" video, in which a clueless individual asks Nicole Oliver, the voice of Celestia, about the reputation of her character in the fandom, during a crowded convention panel. Upon mentioning that she's sometimes characterized as a molester, the announcer flinches, interrupts him, and shoos him away; Nicole then sternly declares that "the darker side of the fandom is... not part of what the show's about."
I think this is the wrong use of Deconstruction. Remove?
Edited by DayBreakChannel