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openNo Title Literature
So I have a question that I probably should have asked a long time ago.
tl;dr is it possible for the few tropes that were banished to Darth Wiki to be in-universe and linked on a trope page?
(long version)
I launched a trope page about a non-fiction book about professional wrestling called Ring Of Hell, and on the original version of the page, one of the tropes listed was Dethroning Moment Of Suck. This was of course before DMOS was banished to Darth Wiki and made no link.
But the reason DMOS was listed on the page is because the author of the book invoked the trope himself, and came very close to calling it out by name. He claimed that "tribute shows" for deceased wrestlers were inherently phony, inherently sleazy, and "possibly the most sickening aspect" of a wrestler's death...
I thought that "possibly the most sickening aspect" line as written by the author himself was enough to make it an in-universe example of DMOS and readded it to the page - linking directly to the Darth Wiki version of it after the main wiki redirect was deleted.
So I guess I'm asking "What do?" Is this legitimate or not, and if not is there a different trope that could be used in place of DMOS?
openNo Title Literature
I'm not sure where to post this, but I just had to express my appreciation about what an amazing, astonishing resource resource this website is. I'd bookmarked it for fun and for research. Andd then I saw...myself! I was listed as the author of the UNDEAD series, along with a description of Betsy the Vampire Queen and, purely on an unconscious level<g>, a bunch of the tropes I had infused the UNDEAD series with (Fluffy the Terrible, Our Werewolves are Different, A Chat with Satan, etc.). Finding myself here (not to mention several of my books) made my month! Thank you again!
openNo Title Literature
There's a bit in Livy's _The War With Hannibal_ where Scipio Africanus shames a guy called Masinissa into doing what he wants (briefly) by lecturing him on self-control, which leads me to wonder, does controlling someone with a speech on self-control constitute irony?
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So, a Mistborn video game
was announced today. Considering that the series now consists of a trilogy, a stand-alone sequel taking place centuries later, and a video game, with more novels planned but not yet announced, it seems like a good idea to turn the Main.Mistborn page into a franchise page and split the individual works onto their own pages.
However, that's obviously a major change, and I don't want to make it unilaterally. So where should I bring it up? Here? TRS? Special Efforts? Just go ahead and do it myself?
openNo Title Literature
Requesting that Mein Kampf and The Turner Diaries be inducted into the Permanent Red Link Club.
The page on Mein Kampf only has three examples and a description of the book - it could exist as just a mention on Adolf Hitler and we don't need a page on the work itself.
The Turner Diaries is a little more complex: it is a work of its own but it is a work solely created to preach and encourage racial hatred. While most of the examples are well-written and obviously not encouraging of its content, it could still convince some people that we support it simply by having a page on it.
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Chris Hart was massively changed, apparently by the man himself, to be nothing but an advertisement. Do I report something like that here or is there a more admin-y page?
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There are two of these authors who write most of their work collaboratively, and I want to make a list of their works.
Should I make Creator pages for both of them and copy the same list onto both, or am I allowed to make one page for both of them, to reduce redundancy? I feel reluctant to only make a page for one of them.
(Another problem is that they have self-published their works under one imprint, and traditionally published with another.)
openNo Title Literature
I was thinking of making a work page for [1], but then I found out it already existed. Anyway, I did some sprucing up (namely: picture, caption, publication details) , but the thing is, it's indexed under Literature instead of Comic Book. I would gladly move it under the correct index page but, A) I'm not that good with that kind of repair work, and B) I didn't launch the page myself so, I don't think I've got that kind of authority over it. Anyway, my point is, I think it should be indexed under Comic Book, not Literature. Any thoughts?
Edited by BasterdopenNo Title Literature
Apologies if this has already been asked and answered somewhere.
I have noticed there are Works pages concerning articles of fan fiction. What are the rules for this? (or at least, accepted best practice). Does a fan work have to be especially popular or meritorious to deserve a works page of its own? Does it have to have accepted literary excellence? I'm asuming the rule about not reccomending your own works of fan fiction applies here? (no using tvtropes for self-publicity). I'm interested as to how this works. Thanks in advance!
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In the flowers for algernon page I added an trope instance of bring my brown pants
- Bring My Brown Pants: One of the few times it's Played for Drama. Charlie has a tendency, especially as a kid, to shit himself whenever he gets frightened, which doesn't take much considering he's retarded. This just leads to more pain and suffering since then Rose decides she has to spank him, somehow thinking that disciplining him will stop him from being retarded.
- Bring My Brown Pants: One of the few times it's Played for Drama.
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I ordered a book called Rasp which is related to the bookseries Halvgudene the other day, but it hasn't come yet so won't write about it until then. But I'm wondering about something... if all the important characters in the book are also in Halvgudene, would it be possible that if one click on "characters" on the future Rasp-page that it takes one to Halvgudene's character page? Or even better, straight to where the information on Rasp herself is? Thanks ^^
Edited by killikimopenNo Title Literature
This was a long time ago, so maybe the statute of limitations or whatever is up on this, but aerojockey left a rude editor's note on Characters.TheKingkillerChronicle
on June 18th last year. Specifically:
%% note
%% the entries for Felurian are deliberately lower-case, reflecting the orthography of her dialogue in the book.
%% if, for some reason, you think you would like to make everything "consistent" by capitalizing these entries,
%% please ask yourself whether you want to be "that guy" who shits on any tiny bit of fun he sees
%% thank you
While I was cleaning the page today (still needs more work), I deleted the rude part but left the rest.
Edited by DiscaropenNo Title Literature
A guy is
Edit Warring with non other than Fighteer himself in the Consider Phlebas page.
WTF.
openNo Title Literature
Characters.How To Train Your Dragon just got a lot of Repair, Don't Respond violations added by Socrates The Mudwing. I am not familiar enough with the subject to fix it myself, though, although I did message them.
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Kakai
has grammar issues, with all the most recent edits being difficult to read. I can't remember for certain but I think I PMed them about it once before the form letter PMs came into effect.
Also, found earlier this month they completely re-did the description for Literature.Safehold which myself and another troper had to clean up, and changed the page image for Literature.Apprentice Adept. I'm not necessarily opposed to the change of description (unless there's a procedure for that which wasn't followed) but the grammar issues are in there, too. The page image was just to a smaller version of the image already present, which I think is allowable w/o an image pickin' thread post, but mentioning it to be on the safe side.
EDIT: Yeah, I did PM Kakai about this back in early June and it was a form-letter PM.
Edited by sgamer82openNo Title Literature
You know how you're not supposed to use potholes to change trope names? Literature.Gadsby does this to nearly every single trope it has in order to be self-demonstrating (the book never uses the letter 'e', so any trope with an 'e' in its name is changed). Not to mention that the example description themselves avoid any word with an 'e', which makes some of them unnecessarily hard to understand.
openNo Title Literature
How do I ask for troper attention to a work? as far as I can tell, I am the only one who has done any work on The Spellmonger Series in almost a year. It needs more work, but I can't do it all by myself
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Looking for an opinion on certain creator edits before I, er, make some -
By and large, I figured the best policy creator-wise would be to leave the work page alone, myself, being obviously biased and, well, it's for the readers to decide what's appropriate to put there.
But here's the case I'm wondering about: what about errors on matters of fact (i.e., not opinions or views about the work, but statements about things described therein that directly contradict the work itself). I get people finding the books through the trope page and would rather not have 'em potentially doing so under false pretenses, so...
Cool? Not cool? Other thoughts?
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Literature.Tom Swift and YMMV.Tom Swift both include a section on an MSTed version of one of the books, claiming it to be from Mystery Science Theater 3000. As far as I can determine it's not from the show, it's a Fan Fiction MST-ing of the book. As such it seems like the whole thing should be deleted, or at least moved to a Fan Fiction/ page. Anybody else have an opinion on this?
[1]
: In the paragraph re the MST fanfic "Dale Goes Nuts!" by John Nowak and Matt Plotecher:
- This particular fanfic is less grim ... and shorter than their later MSTing of the dime novel "Tom Swift and his War Tank." [link goes to the same page as the link on our Literature.Tom Swift page]
Furthermore, the page itself has the note "This MiSTing is [c] copyright 2001 by John Nowak and Matt Plotecher."
Edited by randomsurfer

Anyone familiar with The Crystal Star feeling up to, well, fixing it up a bit? I've never read it myself, but there seems to be a consensus that it's pretty bad. However, the page's description really seems like a Take That! to the book, and doesn't provide much information other than that the page's writer thought that it was bad.