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openNo Title Literature
Is it just me, or would nearly all examples on Funny.Fifty Shades Of Grey be better on Narm.Fifty Shades Of Grey? The following bit of Natter on the page (which I removed) seems to have a point:
- Let's just say the whole book.
- Let's just say the entire series.
- Most of them are mostly Narm rather than intentional (especially the inner goddess parts).
openMark Twain YMMV Literature
Please unlock the YMMV for Mark Twain. I intend to crosswick an approved CM entry for a work which does not exist on the wiki.
- Complete Monster (King Leopold's Soliloquy): King Leopold presents himself as a vicious hypocrite and sanctimonious tyrant who subjects the Free State of the Congo to horrific depravity. Having countless people killed and entire regions depopulated, Leopold demands high taxes and production rates from his supposed subjects, cutting off limbs or even castrating others who cannot meet them. Having people tortured and murdered in huge numbers, Leopold notes one of his mistakes was to have sixty innocents crucified and remarks fewer people would care if he'd them skinned. Uncaring of anything but lining his pockets, Leopold shows his only sympathy is to himself, indifferent to the half-million corpses he has left in his rush for money.
resolved Close to being an edit war? Literature
JaidebeccaShipper removed
the word "transphobic" from this entry:
- Audience-Alienating Premise: The book tells the story of a little boy named Johnny who loves to role-play as different animals and objects. One day, he decides that he wants to be a walrus. This (somehow) causes everyone to treat him as if he actually wants to become a walrus, culminating in a doctor suggesting that Johnny eat worms and have his limbs cut off in an allegory for hormone therapy and sex reassignment surgery — a metaphor that would only be understood by the transphobic adults in Walsh's audience who would purchase it, despite the book being illustrated and ostensibly presented as a children's book. Walsh boasted that it was the best-selling book in Amazon's LGBTQ+ category, only for Amazon to recategorize it to Political and Social Commentary and for Target to completely remove it from its online storefront.
With the edit reason: " Arguing against an ideology is not transphobic, just like not following a religion doesn't mean you hate people of that religion."
Moroaica added
"transphobic" back to the entry with the edit reason: "trans medication isn't 'ideology' and opposition to that is transphobic."
I'm not sure what do here. But my observation is that they're both troping with an agenda (but hey, correct me if that observation is wrong).
On a related note, Moroaica removed
- Narm Charm: The Zookeeper Author Avatar looking like Walsh is something that fans of the book consistently praise.
Their edit reason for removing it was: "This book has no actual 'fans'"
As much as I disagree with this book's message, this isn't true. The book certainly does have fans and those who agree with Walsh's message. It feels like Moroaica is being disingenuous here and biased.
Edited by AudioSpeaks2

Coming here as I'm confused as to where to take it. I think it would bounce all over the place; Trope Talk, Lost And Found, and the "Is This an Example" thread.
I'm working on the page for the Doom novels.
Hey, stop laughing! They're a Guilty Pleasure that introduced me to Robert A Heinlein and HP Lovecraft.
Anyway, the main problem I have is that these books are badly written. Not in the "I think this character sucks" manner but in that they are very inconsistent on facts. I have no idea how to document such mistakes. I'm not sure what we'd consider them, like Retcons or what. And the quality gets worse as the series progresses.
I want to document this, of course I'm trying to get this in a proper objective format.
Some highlights:
I love this series but it's a mess. The text supports all of this, I'm not bitching about perceived flaws, just trying to record what they've done wrong.
Edited by Rotpar