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resolved Troper uncomment ZCE without adding context.
Few day ago, they uncommented ZCE
without adding context, including many "to [X]." examples.
I sent notifier, and they do it again today
.
I usually wait for three strikes of the same issue, but since this is blatant ignorance, I decided to made this report.
Prior to this, I sent them two misused notifiers, one is more of misplayed, and the other is applting Expy to scenario
. And another one for chained sinkholes
. All were sent in '25.
open ReginaldOgron5 deleting en-mass Expy entries on Elden Ring page once again Videogame
The users being attempting to do this for a long time.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=135443&type=att
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=132994&type=att
As an example, the Fire Prelate is supposed to clearly be invocative of Smough. They even share some of the same attacks.
Likewise, the Bloodborne Witch's and the Celebrants have a very similar design, and even have a similar dance animation.
The slimes are pretty the SAME enemy from Demon's Souls.
Edited by smogmonsteropenWhy people are so mean ?
Like I just asked that more tropes were dedicated to Buffy. Thank you, I'm aware of how the site got created but that doesn't mean it's doing it justice. What I mean is that no expy is done on Buffy characters when they (Buffy herself in particular) influenced a whole lot of characters. Kim Possible and Veronica Mars were confirmed to be inspired by Buffy, however none of them has Buffy written on their Expy. It bothers and I have a right to speak. What is wrong with you people ? At what point did I express a love (or even mentions) the name of Joss Whedon ? Never so why people are bringing that up. At what point did I speak badly or insult anybody ? None, so thank you to be polite. Like, what is this ? Twitter ?
resolved Buffy should have more tropes dedicated
here's a post on reddit explaining my point a little better : Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a show I can considered to be a classic. It's shaped TV and pop culture in a very unique way, in way few does trough the history of medias. Hell, even today, there are articles saying "this is the new "Buffy"" or "this could be a worthy "Buffy" descendant". One of the many aspects that made Buffy so iconic and memorable were the characters. The characters of Buffy are what I can considered to be iconic. I don't really like that word because I think people like to use it a bit too much but I think it applies here. Let's dive into the characters I think had the more impact on pop culture :
Angel : The brooding hero, lurking in the dark who ends up being the good guy the girl fall in love with, I'm obviously talking about Edward Cull... No wait, not at all, it was Angel. Let's admit it, from the first moment Angel turned into a vampire in Buffy's bedroom, it was the beginning of a common theme in teen dramas. Edward, Stefan, Bill, all take their inspo from Angel. They also happend to have a dark side hidden all along. The romance between Angel and Buffy inspired generations of writers, I mean, Scott and Allison in Teen Wolf (especially at the end of season 2 when Allison happen to become one of the bad guys while season 2 have been bulding the tension between them...). The secret circle have this curse that stops Cassie and Adam to consume their love. Same thing with Legacies when the main girl's love interest become mud because...They slept together, like girly, what is this. The end of Becoming : Once More With Feeling season 5 finale remind me of it, same thing with the end of Chilling adventures of Sabrina season 2, with this episode of Legacies season 4 and I know some of y'all will comes to my neck saying but it just a coincidence, main love interests die sometimes...I'm aware and I know thank you but also, I'm not sutpid. I know a certain character's death in The O.C. has nothing to do with Buffy, I know that the death of another certain character in Teen Wolf (despite the MANY connections between the 2) has nothing to do with Buffy. The reason I'm giving those exemples is because, well, the similarities are there. Anyway, I'm done talking about Angel. Let's talk about his arch-rival now.
Spike : Spike is an anomaly. He's a character that shouldn't hold such a big place in the show, because Joss didn't attend him to but I'm glad he's here. I was asking questions around my high school about if people knew Buffy and, despite most of them not actually watching the show, they knew the name and were saying stuff like '"isn't the show with the cheeleader slaying vampires" or "isnt it the original Twilight with the girl falling in love with vampires" and during those interventions, a lot of them mentions Spike, trough his hair, but also by his name sometimes. I think Spike is a character many have tried to replicate but very rarely succed. Characters like Damon Salvatore are fun for a while before it becomes clear that the writers have no intentions to change him or do anything meaningful with him on the long term. Eric Northman tried it and almost succeed before season 5 and beyond. Crowley from Supernatural shares some similarities but those characteristics are used in kind of a superficial level. Hook (Once Upon A T Ime), Luki from MCU etc.... Plus, the tv tropes "Badass Decay" directly comes from Spike, as it was named Spikefication for a long time. There's an article about how Spike open the gate for bad boys getting redemption for the girls they love and along the characters he might influenced was Jess Mariano (Gilmore Girls), Chuck Bass (Gossip Girl)... I mean there was bad boys before Spike, like let's be for real, but characters like Dylan from Beverly Hills helped built the "bad boy" archetype as wikipedia and articles are telling about but not really expend it further.
Cordelia Chase : I already wrote a whole post about the influence of Cordy on the mean girl archetype feel free to read it : https://www.reddit.com/r/buffy/comments/1ifd02a/the_impact_of_cordelia_chase_on_pop_cultures_mean/
Also there is this video explaining her impact : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0Nt4lgzREk
But without Cordelia Chase, characters like Summer Roberts, Brooke Davis, Katie Fitch, Cheryl Blossom, Lydia Martin, Caroline Forbes,Lizzie Saltzman etc....
Willow Rosenberg : Willow is one of the most important character in the LGBTQ+ community. The critics also appreciated the fact that Willow, was a proud Jewish and that she was good representation for girls. The impact of Willow goes beyond just her sexuality. The character of Willow and her journey is one of the most interting thing on TV ever. The sidekicks of the main characters in teen dramas owns a lot to Willow. I mean Josie Saltzman is a copy of Willow (especially her turn into Dark Josie). Willow is a character with a lot of depth : She start off as this shy, nerdy girl who had no so much respect towards herself. She's smart and really competant in a lot of things but it's obvious that she put herself down and that she don't believe in herself. She has a crush on Xander since years and never dared do anything about it, she always let people walk all over her without any complaints. However she seems to be all positive about and almost childish (which was something changed from the writers. Originally, the actress playing Willow was kinda moody and seems to mooping about herself a lot but the writers wanted Willow to be someone smiling and positive despite all the shit she was taking). Her meeting Buffy made her gaining confidence more. She doesn't want to admit it, but it's obvious that Willow wants people to see that she can be strong and powerful. I can't deny that Willow, especially in the early seasons, wants to help people a lot and she wants to be useful. But she also craves for people to see it and acknoledge it and when it happens, Willow get kinda cocky and arrogant, like Giles alread said once. The Dark Persona thing didn't start with Willow but a lot of characters wants to replicate what made Dark Willow an iconic villain of the show. Betty Cooper turn into Dark Betty is just Dark Willow without debt (because Roberto Aguirre Sacasa just wants an excuse to sexualize the character). Void Stiles from Teen Wolf is clearly a descedant of Dark Willow (even tho, done better on some aspects). Mac from Veronica Mars was clearly meant to the Willow of the show and we could go on and on about it. But let's move on.
Xander Harris : Seth Cohen, Stiles Stilinski, Matt Donovan... Please bffr, Xander was clearly a mjor influence on them. Like, the nerdy boy having a crush on the Valley/Mean/Popular girl, pinning over her for a long time and having a chance to finally get it. I mean Xander (Stiles, Seth, Sid from Skins), fall in love with Buffy (Lydia, Summer, Michelle) who kinda ignore him or consider him as a brother, and he doesn't notice that the girl, less "attractive" and "confident" or not girly enough, is pinning over him secretly (Erica, Anna, Cassie). Either way, while Xander don't end up being with Buffy, he's ending up being with Cordelia (who is basically the original Lydia and Summer). The popular/mean girl ending up with the nerd boy is it. In the 90s, the nerd boy could pin over the popular girl but never quite got her because he realized he worth better than that or someting. It was always the jerk, popular guy falling in love with the nerdy girl . However, I firmly believe Xander and Cordelia are the blueprint for (and almost every shows I'm gonna quote already talked about Buffy has one of their influence) : Stiles and Lydia, Seth and Summer, Dan and Blair, Sid and Michelle, MG and Lizzie, Naomi and Max etc.... He's the everyman. The normal man who is always questionning his place in the group being the normal one without special skills or powers (Cisco from The Flash, Matt from The Vampire Diaries and basically every shows on The CW with a supernatural setting has one of those).
Rupert Giles : While maybe the most subtle but Giles also had it's own fair share of impact on some characters on TV. Keith Mars was the Rupert Giles of Rob Thomas for Veronica Mars, Hopper from Stranger Things is this to Eleven, Alaric Saltzman is the wallmart version of Giles created by Julie Plec for TVD (as the father figure of Elena) and Legacies (for Hope Mikaelson). Lilith and Sabrina has dynamic similar to Giles and Buffy, while darker since Lilith is manipulative. Luke and Rory dynamic remind me of Giles and Buffy.
The Scooby-Gang : The Scooby-Gang as a whole is something that inspired countless of friend group setting in a supernatural world such as Stranger Things, every supernatural shows on The CW, Teen Wolf etc... We don't need to talk about the details.
How Sabrina Spellman, Kim Possible, Hope Mikaelson, Veronica Mars are not expy of Buffy Summers (and even more than them but oh well). The Scooby-Gang should've a trope named after it, same thing with the character of Giles. The romance between Cordelia and Xander should've also a trope after it and being acknoledge as an influence for shows after it. Like I just saw Lucrecia having Blair Waldorf as an expy (by the way, the character of Veronica Lodge is clearly a Blair Waldorf wallmart version.)
open(Hopefully) Quick question
Is there quanity limit for Central Theme? For an example: Mobile Suit Gundam: The Witch from Mercury, a 25 episodes anime (two seasons, 12 episodes each, with one special prologue) currently has four entries for the trope.
I've feeling that the trope is going through the same state of expy (people just seeing things and speculate). It seems too much for a work of that length to has 4 "central"s; it might work if each theme is tied to a specific arc/season, but no, all four are applied to the whole series.
Edited by KuruniopenMass "similar characters" misuse? Western Animation
I've been planning on doing a general clean-up on both the main and character pages for Ghost Force, and there's a particularly big issue I noticed that I wanted a second opinion on. Specifically, I noticed a lot of usage of "character X is similar to character Y" tropes (Expy, Suspiciously Similar Substitute, Corrupted Character Copy, etc.) on the page that feels incredibly misused. Most if not all of them seem to be under the assumption that, since the same company produced both, all the Ghost Force characters are copies of Miraculous Ladybug characters to some extent just because they share appearances and/or character traits. I'm pretty sure that the tropes are being misused, but I wanted to double check here before removing them.
openCombining Character Sheets?
Hello. I made this ATT entry and no one answered. I think I understand why, because my description was way too vague without any proofs to make you guys see what I'm actually proposing.
(That thing has been locked)
So, after a discussion with another troper who also have been editing MOBA character pages, he gave me some input, I worked on some Sandbox pages for the months to come. And I'd like to re-open this discussion.
Proposal: I want to combine the character sheets of Honor of Kings and Arena of Valor
Reasons
- Honor of Kings received a global release.
- Both Honor of Kings and Arena of Valor are created by both Tencent Games and TiMi.
- There has been an update in lore that the world both games took place have been reimagined as 'neighboring regions' (Honor of Kings' world is called Primaela, whereas Arena of Valor's world is called Athanor)
- Both Honor of Kings and Arena of Valor have lent their characters to each other. So we can see some HOK characters being playable in AOV and vice versa. So we now have characters overlapping with each other.
- A lot of characters of Arena of Valor have their moveset taken from Honor of Kings with some small tweaks, creating 'counterparts' between two games without too much of being expies.
Here are the Sandbox pages:
I will still continue to work on these Sandboxes for other things, like making each folders more complete and of course, the GRAMMAR (Yes, once all folders are filled, I will run through the grammar check to all pages myself). But one vital question remains...
Is this an okay thing in TV Tropes? I'd like to know so I don't end up making all future works end up for nothing. (If this is not okay, then I will just share what I worked on to the default pages and modify appropriately, even if there will be similar entries.)
Thank you!
Edited by ChrisXopenReplacement Aesop items?
Clueless Aesop was cut, so I ask if these parts/examples can be moved elsewhere.
"A Fantastic Aesop or Space Whale Aesop can attempt to teach a lesson through allegory, only to introduce issues that undercut the applicability (e.g., "don't judge people by their race" in a show with Always Chaotic Evil races)." I believe this can be moved to Broken Aesop, correct?
* This is why the "Fighting is wrong!" aesop that 4kids forced upon Pokémon: The First Movie fell flat, since this is a series where everything is resolved by way of Pokémon battle. The Japanese version had a completely different aesop: the circumstances of one's birth don't make them any more or less important than someone else. The irony is that the censored version was far closer to Shudo's intended portrayal which was scrapped in favor of the version the finalized Japanese version used. The dub of Mewtwo Strikes Back—Evolution is Truer to the Text and follows the Japanese version's Aesop.
- The "2014 Equestria Girls Holiday Special" tackles the subject of cyber-bullying showing it has serious, lasting consequences. This is undermined by said consequences becoming an Informed Attribute as ultimately everything gets Easily Forgiven par for the series, a Happy Ending par for the genre, and goes without consequence or mention outside the issue par for the comics. It also had little to do with the holidays. The one argument against Broken Aesop is it does have stated but Informed Attribute consequences. Is it Broken if at odds with the feel of the ending as opposed to objective facts of it, or is it being at odds with what's objectively shown enough to count?
- The "Hydra Cap" storyline in Secret Empire, in which Captain America is revealed to be a secret fascist, was meant to show how even good people can be seduced by hate. But the whole thing was the result of a Cosmic Retcon by the villain as opposed to anything pertaining to Captain America, who was created by two Jewish men to promote their anti-Nazi views. The vagueness of the book on what Hydra actually believes is nullified by the extensive Putting on the Reich imagery. Many other plot details (like having Scarlet Witch, a Romani, join the fascists) and the accidental white supremacist imagery created by having Fash-Cap wielding Mjolnir (Thor's Hammer being a symbol used by many real-world hate groups), combine to show the setting wasn't suitable and the writers too clueless about the subject to handle it tactfully much less intelligently enough to make a valid point. Is it being revealed to be caused by Cosmic Retcon subverting the original intent Broken Aesop or Lost Aesop?
- My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic:
- "Over a Barrel":
- In-universe. Pinkie Pie decides to sing a song about sharing in order to get the bison and the cowponies to get along and agree. They do agree... on this being the worst performance they'd ever seen. Brought up again when the bison are about to call off the attack, but Pinkie Pie celebrates by singing another verse, enraging them and causing them to attack anyway.
- "Feeling Pinkie Keen": Lauren Faust has spoken about regretting the way the episode was handled. The intended aesop was "you should be open to different ideas and ways of perceiving the world, even if you don't particularly understand them." It unintentionally came off as "Atheists/scientists/skeptics are jerks and are demonstrably wrong." This could more or less be a realistic scenario in the sense of how science and logic aren't always the best ways to come up with an answer, but considering it's being applied in a show that regularly uses magic and spells to do a multitude of everyday tasks, it seemed like splitting hairs.
- "A Hearth's Warming Tail" is Yet Another Christmas Carol that, due to Never Say "Die", changes the consequences of the Scrooge-expy from causing death and dying unloved to Wendigos causing Endless Winter. Besides being an unrealistic consequence, it dilutes the True Meaning of Christmas Aesop since its importance is shown less as a question of morals and self-destruction but instead as a necessary ritual to prevent The End of the World as We Know It.
- "Fame and Misfortune" has the Mane 6 publish their friendship journal, which develops a Misaimed Fandom who make their lives miserable. The episode was intended as a Take That! towards invokeda certain part of the show's Periphery Demographic, but the difference between what the writer was meant to criticize (real people complaining about fictional characters who cannot be directly affected by their words) and what's portrayed in the show (characters harassing other characters who are just as real as they are) keeps the message from working perfectly. Add scenes where obvious strawmen complain about things like Twilight Sparkle becoming a princess and Fluttershy having Aesop Amnesia, things which are perfectly reasonable complaints about a fictional series but only become wrong when aimed at real people (in other words, a completely different scenario), and the Aesop turns from "don't be part of the Fan Dumb" to "having any criticism or disagreement about the show is wrong". The writer M.A. Larson considers this episode an Old Shame, to the point he not only leaves it off his filmography but went so far as to ask fans of the episode to not praise him for writing it, but Executive Meddling kept him from addressing the flaws.
- "Surf and/or Turf" has an allegory for divorce/separation; Terramar's father returning to being a hippogriff on Mount Aris and mother remain a seapony underwater in Seaquestria with Terramar torn between choosing with whom and which lifestyle to live and learning they'd both still love him despite his choice. But the show's kid-friendly nature meant downplaying the seriousness (the parents remain on good terms, Terramar choosing to live with both as they're within walking distance and he can magically change between hippogriff/seapony on a whim) such it never addresses the consequences one in this situation realistically would have to deal with.
- "Over a Barrel":
- OK K.O.! Let's Be Heroes: "Let's Not Be Skeletons" tries to have an anti-gun aesop, except: one, the show takes place in a universe where many characters have natural powers which are often equivalent in their danger to a gun, including characters who are explicitly villainous, meaning having a gun for protection makes even more sense in their world; and two, the gun analog doesn't actually kill or even harm in any way except turning people into living skeletons, making it more a nuisance than an actual threat. Not helping is that whenever a character brings up a good argument in favor of the controlers, it just gets ignored.
- A case of this due to Values Dissonance caused the Peppa Pig episode "Mister Skinnylegs" to be stricken from Australian airwaves. The plot of the episode is that spiders shouldn't be considered scary and are okay to have in the house. While that works fine in the show's native Britain and in North America, it's unacceptable in Australia because the country is loaded with venomous spiders, and actually includes some of the most dangerous spiders in the world.note To put this in perspective, a short list of "dangerous Australian spiders" would include the ubiquitous Red-Back Spider (a Black Widow with anger management issues), the White-Tailed Spider (highly venomous, and suspected of being the infamous "necrotizing spider", a spider whose bite causes your flesh to start rotting away whilst you're still alive) and the Sydney Funnelweb (a highly aggressive pseudo-tarantula known to have the most powerful venom in the world). Understandably, Australians don't particularly want small children to think it's okay to play with these things. Just Values Dissonance? Anything else?
The Aesop cleanup thread has been inactive for months so asking here first.
resolved Expy Question
I have a serious question. Can a fictional character or original character be considered an Expy if they draw inspiration or influence from more than one character, or does that count as a different trope entirely? I ask because I have come across some examples of characters that can draw inspiration from more than one character and are listed as an Expy, but I don't know if that should be the case or not. If anyone can clear this up for me, that would be great.
resolved Creator Acknowledged Discredited Meme
I removed the following example from YMMV.Metal Gear Solid 2 Sons Of Liberty, citing what the Discredited Meme page description saying Since nearly every meme gets discredited to at least some degree over time, In-Universe and Creator-Acknowledged Examples Only.:
- Discredited Meme: At the time of the game's release, it was a meme in the fandom to make fun of Raiden for being "effeminate" and claiming that he's secretly gay. It even got Meme Acknowledgment in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater with Raiden's Expy Raikov, who is canonically gay and the masochistic partner of Volgin. However, this has fallen out fashion in the years since then for multiple reasons. The first was that Raiden Took a Level in Badass and ended up becoming a fan favorite in both Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots and Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, which made fans like him too much to want to make fun of him anymore. The second was when mainstream society as a whole became much more accepting of LGBT people over the years and being gay was no longer seen as the source of mockery it once was, making the idea of using "gay" as an insult toward Raiden a case of Values Dissonance with the fandom in the earlier years. And finally, deeming Raiden gay because he's effeminate completely ignores the fact that Raiden's relationship drama with his girlfriend was a major part of the story, in addition to his attraction to Emma and Olga.
Someone else added it back citing “Restored since this was acknowledged in official Konami media prior to the release of MGS 4.” Now I could be mistaken, but I was under the impression that by “Creator-Acknowledged Discredited Meme”, it meant that the creator acknowledged that the meme is not/no longer funny, which I don’t think is conveyed in the example.
openI am having a little bit of trouble categorizing Qimir from The Acolyte as a character
I don't know where he fits better, expy, mirror character or Suspiciously Similar Substitute. Despite the blatant similarities between him and Kylo Ren, his whatever with Osha being an intentional parallel to Reylo, and even using Kylo's leitmotif for Qimir, i found nowhere that Qimir is a character inspired by Kylo. My next choice is mirror character to Kylo, but they are not part of the same show, live at the same time, or interact, so i am not sure if this trope allows such example. And the last one, Suspiciously Similar Substitute, while Qimir fits some of the rules, he is not exactly replacing any previous character within the same show like the trope requires. A little help, please?
resolved Combining character sheets of Honor of Kings and Arena of Valor Videogame
First off, let me state several preceding factors:
- Honor of Kings just received a global release.
- Both Honor of Kings and Arena of Valor are created by both Tencent Games and TiMi.
- There has been an update in lore that the world both games took place have been reimagined as 'neighboring regions' (Honor of Kings' world is called Primaela, whereas Arena of Valor's world is called Athanor)
- Both Honor of Kings and Arena of Valor have lent their characters to each other. So we can see some HOK characters being playable in AOV and vice versa. So we now have characters overlapping with each other.
- A lot of characters of Arena of Valor have their moveset taken from Honor of Kings with some small tweaks, creating 'counterparts' between two games without too much of being expies.
With that being said, I have the idea of 'combining' both games' character sheets. Originally both have five separate character sheets (based on their class designations of Warriors, Tank, Assassins, Mages and Supports). So in total, there are 10 pages, with some tropes overlapping due to the counterparts. I have counted the total heroes so far, and I come up with the idea of:
- One page for heroes that appear in both games (regardless of classes). This will contain 6 heroes
- Five pages for heroes that have counterparts with each others, based on classes. These will contain: 32, 16, 20, 38, 24, 24 heroes, but all of them are foldered in pairs of 2
- Five pages for heroes that are exclusive to each games, based on classes. This is because certain classes in one game may end up only having 1 character per page and I don't think that's kosher, so I decided to combine both games for exclusives. Based on classes, in total it will contain: 26, 4, 12, 17, 10, 6 heroes, no foldering.
You don't need to know about the two games to proceed. But I just wanna ask... is this kosher or going against the rules in TVT? I'm just trying to avoid overlaps considering the situation.
Thanks!
Edited by ChrisXopenEdit War on Characters/Warhammer40000LeaguesOfVotann
This seems more of a borderline edit war that a full one, but it's going in a concerning direction and I felt that it might be best to have this looked at before it escalates.
So, in February dbsaumarai added an entry
for Expy that was expanded by another trope soon after, with the full entry being thus:
- A recursive example with Star Craft: the Series was originally going to be a 40k game. When the licensing deal fell through, Blizzard turned the Space Marines into Starcraft Marines primarily by replacing their helmets with bubble visored domed heads. Now the Votann in turn are power armored soldiers with bubble visored domed heads that open to reveal their faces underneath. Combined with the Space Western naming theme of some of their units and overall bulky, hard-edged industrial aesthetic, and it's easy to see a similarity between Starcraft's Terrans and the Kin.
In March
, [Theharbo=] cut it with on the basis of Starcraft not having been based on Warhammer 40,000 and thus the Terran Marines not being based on Space Marines.
Then in April
dbsamurai re-added it with a length edit reason arguing why Starcraft was in fact based on Warhammer 40,000.
And then today
another troper came around and cut it again on the basis of Starcraft not having been based on Warhammer 40,000 and thus the Terran Marines not being based on Space Marines. They also got a little sarcastic in the edit reason (by which I mean potholing Sarcasm Mode in it, to be precise).
It's fairly clear to me that this is a situation where opinions are getting pretty heated and deleting and re-adding is likely to continue. However, my primary concern here is that what should be the actual relevant material (whether or not the Leagues, whose character page this is all going on, can be meaningfully said to be expies of the Terran Marines) is getting lost in the bickering of whether the Terran Marines are expies of the Space Marines, which should at most be a "fun fact" type of preamble to the main body of the example. As it is, the actual example seems to be treated as an incidental causality to the bulk of the arguing, which is focused on what should be side material.
(To be clear, I don't know whether the Leagues are expies of the Terran Marines — I'm not into Starcraft — but it seems clear to me that the arguing is missing the point.)
Edited by Theriocephalusresolved Too similar tropes
I saw that for the amazing digital circus character page, Ragatha has both Captain Ersatz and expy. I don't think she should have both given that they have subtle differences. What do y'all think?
resolved Does a pun-based name count as The Artifact if the original context is gone?
So, I was considering adding The Artifact for Huckleberry Pie in the Strawberry Shortcake character pages, as his name was originally a pun on "Huckleberry Finn", as the original incarnation of Huck was an Expy of him. Future series don't follow suit and reimagine him as a regular boy, so the pun from his name is kinda lost. I'm kinda hesitating on adding it, since huckleberry pies are still a real thing and one could argue his name is just drawing from that.
Edited by BlueBlazesopenTroper with possible misuse issues
Troper The Green Shrek has made several edits that strike me as misuse.
- In here
, they added an Expy entry claiming that the character of Shamir is based on Ada Wong. It was later removed for misuse.
- In here
, they added a downplayed Depraved Bisexual entry even though it said entry says that his sexuality has nothing to do with his crimes. It was also removed for misuse. Also worth noting is that they added
a Hereditary Homosexuality entry even though, looking at the actual trope page, it is about shared sexualities between parent and child not siblings.
- In here
, they added an exaggerated examples which also strikes me as misuse since the trope (Technical Virgin) is about a woman who, per the laconic page, “Has never had coitus, but they have achieved sexual satisfaction.”
I already sent notifier for two of these edits but I want to bring it up here since it might be concerning enough, plus I would more opinions on some of the more on the fence entries.
openHomage an Acceptable Alternative? Videogame
So I've removed several examples for expy because they're either superficial or tried to shove multiple characters into the trope despite that doing that should disqualify it. In Characters.Armored Core VI Enemies And Bosses, Qubeley was added to a boss again, but instead of claiming it's an expy, it's under Homage.
- Homage: Its design takes obvious inspiration from the AMX-004 Qubeley, including heavy use of conical attack drones, color scheme (save replacing purple with red), pointy fingers, and enormous triangular shoulders. The main difference is that the Ibis' lower parts are much thinner.
Is this fine, or is it still trying to shoehorn a comparison? I ask here since this seems out of the scope for the expy cleanup thread.
Edited by Shadeblade11resolved What is the difference between an Alternate Company Equivalent and a Expy? Live Action TV
I tried asking this before and i got no responses, i hope it is ok to try again. But i tried to ask about about editing a profile from Kamen Rider Build, as i noticed some similarities between the big bad and Dio from Jojo. But i think in general i want to ask, what is considered an Alternate Company Equivalent? If it is on purpose, is it just an expy? How much intent one needs to apply to make a character/faction/other the ACE trope? Please i want some clarification.
openWhat makes an character an Alternate Company Equivalent? Live Action TV
I been very tempted to slap that unto Kamen Rider Build's Evolt/Evolto, for i noticed he has a similarity to Jojo's Dio. For the following reasons: 1) both ancient in their own ways 2) hammy 3) manipulative/pretend to be allies/friends of others 5) madden someone into compliance 6) started their plots, Evolt moreso 7) familial tie to a hero, provider of said hero's powers 8) have no higher ideals than getting more and more power and manipulate people in some sort of facade personality 9) somehow able to attract a lot of people to either work for them or to trust him 10) wants to create a new world with a long scheme. But i really don't know how it would fully count as they are not similar species wise or in context of how their plans and characters are executed. So what does it take to be an ACE? Does it need to be a deliberate expy or can it be considered because of the roles they have in the story?

yamiblade added the following entry to the folder for the main villain in Characters.Ghost Force:
While there's obviously some editing that needs to be done to it, the Ghost Force pages have suffered from repeated misuse of expy and related tropes that basically amounted to "this show was made by the same people who did Miraculous Ladybug, so every character has to be a copy of an ML character somehow". As such, my first instinct is to delete the entry outright and ping it for misuse, but I wanted to double-check here first before I decided what to do with it (especially since checking the page for Contrasting Sequel Antagonist has only made me more confused).