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Edit war Western Animation
On the Zootopia page, Desert Dragon added an example of Artistic License – Law on May 23. rva98014 removed it with an edit reason on May 25. Today, Desert Dragon readded it without an edit reason.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=WesternAnimation.Zootopia&more=t
Does Total Drama need a short term cleanup? Western Animation
I notice the Total Drama pages often get packed up with shoehorns (so much misuse of counterpart tropes), rumors-as-fact (i.e. "X was intended to be the main antagonist but it got cut short"), and generally dubious info. I'd like some help cleaning it up cuz I want more input from other fans beyond my social circle and personal experience.
As much as I worry about my shifting interests, I do think having a short term cleanup would be beneficial because there's so many character subpages.
Suggesting images Western Animation
In the image suggestion thread, I recently added a suggestion for the heartwarming page of "The Lion Guard", and it is basically the Lion Guard in a group hug. Is there anything that needs to be done before the image I suggested can be added to its page?
Wall of Text entry Western Animation
The YMMV page for "The Ending of the End, Part 2" has this very long entry under Draco in Leather Pants:
- All three of the villains received this status in spades for their punishment at the end of the episode.
- Chrysalis, Tirek, and Cozy Glow being turned to stone as punishments caused backlash by defenders, saying that they didn't deserve such a punishment due to being forced by Discord as Grogar to commit said actions, and they weren't being given a chance by the heroes to turn over a new leaf throughout the episode and the previous one. What is largely ignored is the fact that what the villains did to Equestria was what they've always wanted to do ever since they appeared in the show, they were mainly forced by Discord to work together as a team instead of individuals to make their plans succeed, and they have stated and shown more than once that they are not interested in friendship or reforming themselves like when Chrysalis turned down Starlight's offer of reformation at the end of To Where and Back Again. And on the subject of the villains' punishments, they not only tried to murder the Mane Six and the other heroes, but also destroy everything that made Equestria what it was which included dividing the three pony tribes against one and other, which as a result almost made everything that the Mane Six accomplished in the entire series be All for Nothing. And considering that they almost came close with succeeding at destroying Equestria and the heroes and even presumably even creating a forever bad memory that the population of Equestria won't be forgetting for a long time, imprisoning the villains in stone would be for the best to prevent a tragedy like that from happening again.
- Cozy Glow was hit with this the hardest out of the three villains. Defenders felt she did not deserve the same fate as Tirek and Chrysalis, due to simply being a child and saying she could have been given a lesser sentence to serve her time, and demonizing Celestia, Luna, and Discord for doing it to her. This is despite the fact that Cozy was well aware of what she was doing the entire time, and her actions were still as bad as Tirek and Chrysalis since her actions to drain the magic in Equestria and claim it as her own was kind of the same plan as Tirek's. She has even proudly called herself a villain and shows no remorse for any of her actions, and in fact actively enjoys it.
The first entry is overly long and keeps re-hashing the same points, and I'm not sure if it even fits, since it's mostly just saying that fans thought the punishment was harsh. The second entry is redundant with the first, only focusing more on Cozy Glow specifically. I've brought this up on the Wall of Text cleanup thread twice but been ignored both times.
Edited by Javertshark13
Expy misuse Western Animation
Over on Characters.Amphibia Main Characters, https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Tropers/JoJoker placed this entry:
- Expy: Of the Chaos Emeralds. While there are three gems instead of seven, they still have similar properties: They are capable of inter dimensional travel, can empower people with forms that cause hair to change color and stand upright, be used to power machines, their power can be depleted, but can be restored at temples, are sought out by the heroes and villains, and were abused by an ancient civilization.
I deleted it for being a misuse as expy has to be confirmed and intentional. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Characters.AmphibiaMainCharacters#edit32968481
They added it back today with the edit reason being that the creator is a Sonic fan and so it was possibly intentional.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Characters.AmphibiaMainCharacters#edit33000622
I sent them a misuse notifier saying that a possibility wasn't good enough. However, I still would like to get a group consensuses just in case.
Edited by LadyErinNY
Encanto Character tropes re-organized Western Animation
Tropes_Searcher has removed all of the character tropes on the Encanto character page and split them into sub-pages grouped by the family / townsfolk / other.
I don't know if there was a page size warning at the time they did it. But I was working in the character page this morning and didn't see any problems.
They also did this reorganization unilaterally as I can find no evidence of them opening a discussion to see if the other editors felt a reorganization was needed.
Tropes involving a group of characters Western Animation
Encanto is a large cast movie, with 13 named members of Madrigal family itself plus a large handful of named villagers. One thing I've noticed in participating in the editing surrounding Encanto trope pages is the desire to take various 3, 4, or 5 person tropes and start filling out the ranks of those tropes with the members of the large cast.
What this seems to be doing is finding characters in the cast whose personality traits match up with the requirements of the trope even though the 3, 4, or 5 characters don't actually have any scenes where they function as a group, or team or ensemble.
For example, on the character page, Julieta and her 3 daughters (Luisa, Isabela and Mirabel) are listed as a Four-Girl Ensemble. It's a case where they are all members of the same family and each character does fulfill the basic personality requirements of the trope.
However, in terms of the story being told, they are never actually shown interacting as an ensemble. Mirabel has individual scenes with the other female members of her family but, aside from breakfast/dinner scenes, the four are never shown together "just hanging".
So my question is whether this trope is truly in play in this story?
Even the Four-Girl Ensemble example acknowledges that while they fit the personality types, they don't actually function as an ensemble in the story.
There are other tropes listed on the Encanto pages with a similar weakness. Matching personality traits? Yes. But, actually being a group, team, band or ensemble? Not so much.
To me it seems that both halves of the equation need to be "Yes" for the trope to be in play but I'd like some feedback on this.
Where do I go to talk about a page title? Western Animation
Is there a thread or something I can use to ask about some confusion regarding a page title? Because the wiki word for Blazing Samurai is WesternAnimation.Blazing Samurai and I’m wondering if there is a place I can bring that up. Like a Wiki Word cleanup thread.
Edited by BigBadShadow22
Hatedom/Hatedumb time limits Western Animation
So I don’t know if anyone knows about what’s going on at Netflix Animation but the short version is a lot of shows are getting canceled while Big Mouth and the Boss Baby are getting new series and people are attacking both shows on Twitter. If one was to had either a Hatedom or a Hate Dumb entry to the YMMV of either show, how long would one have to wait?
Finding Nemo and Overprotective Dad Western Animation
I'm not 100% sure this is the right place to ask. My doubt isn't about the entry itself or its usage, but the correctness of this entry in YMMV.Finding Nemo that I find rather excessive:
- "Seinfeld" Is Unfunny:
- Marlin is the Trope Codifier of the Overprotective Dad trope mostly found in Western Animation. This has resulted in many other overprotective dads, like Dracula, Samson and Manny being seen as rip-offs of him.
What's the difference between Anti-Hero and Designated Hero? Western Animation
It kinda seems these two are really similar together. I mean, both involve someone who has very backwards morals so what's the difference between these two?
Troper makes page of their own fic, at 5000 words. Western Animation
So, question: Can they do this? I just feel like it's bit insulting that a writer would recommend their own fic, one that is rarely updating and only has 5000 words, and even created their own trope page about it, when there are so many fics out there that are longer and/or of greater quality that... well, don't make it to the fanfic rec page, let alone get a their own trope page.
I don't know, maybe this is arrogant and irrational of me to be judging and asking, and that there's technically nothing wrong with. But this is why I'm asking... I just hope I'm asking in the right place.
The fic is Lord Of Crows, so anyone can check it. The writer has two chapters, made the first in September, made the second in April, and both have only have a couple thousand words each. Yet decided to make a Rec page for their own fic. And FYI, I know it's the same person because the Troper who made the page has the same writer name as the writer on across ff.net, SV and SB.
So is this a legit concern, or am I making a big deal out of something that's not my problem? I'd really like to know, and I'm sorry if this is a just a Me-problem. Thanks.
Appalling rudeness and edit warring Western Animation
So normally I prefer to trope and let trope, but this very rude (and badly indented) entry in YMMV.Miraculous Ladybug ticked me off. I sent them a rudeness notifier, but then I dug a little deeper in the page's history and noticed that this particular troper has tried to add variations of the same character bashing entry under Designated Hero four times, 2 of which were accompanied by a rude edit reason.
Namespace move suggestion thread? Western Animation
Hello, I have another unrelated question. I couldn't find a thread regarding possible namespace move suggestions (because I have a few, related to the medium I tagged this query as). Perhaps I just looked straight over it, in that case I apologize.
EDIT: To clarify, I couldn't find one specifically for Western Animation, no matter where I looked... Could I start one myself, or is that considered a no-no? I don't wanna make any moves without consensus, and I only wanna start such a thread if other people agree with it.
Edited by LotteV
Partial incomplete example in hard truth aesop Western Animation
In the Western Animation section of Hard Truth Aesop as I was scrolling down I noticed that one of the examples (under Rocket Power specifically) seems to be cut off. Should I simply delete the example? It has the episodes name....
Where should these Lion King characters go? Western Animation
So I was scrolling through The Lion King characters lists and noticed some oddities. Kiara, despite being the protagonist of the second film and barely a character in the first, is listed under the first movie simply because she was introduced there. Additionally, Vitani has two separate trope lists under the second film and The Lion Guard.
I feel Kiara's trope list should be moved to the second film and Vitani's lists should be merged under the second film as well, but I'd like to get some other's thoughts first before making any decisions.
Is He-Man Raygun Gothic? Western Animation
He-Man uses a lot of future tech. while having fantasy elements. Additionaly the main villains have this palpatine-eque quality about them. Evil overlord, seemingly without back story, and using mystical powers. The world is also very alien compared to others. Womens clothing reflects the aesthetic of raygun gothic. Bright colors and mostly very minimal, at least for the main characters. The sci-fi stuff isnt really explained and there are veeeeery ancient powers at work. Im asking because it doesnt seem to be used as an example very ofter, while having many traits of Raygun Gothic
Edited by Tyan12345
Hate Sink Entry Keeps being Brought Back Western Animation
A while ago, I got permission
to re-remove a Hate Sink entry because several Sub-Tropes were listed; please read that post, especially the second paragraph, as it covers more details regarding this scenario. However, the troper who removed it in the first place brought it back again
and removed a commented-out warning saying not to. I also covered this in a previous post
, resulting in their suspension. Before this, however, they deleted it again
.
Nevertheless, this entry was brought back
again by a different troper. This time it was under the following edit reason, "This was deleted for no explained reason, even though another user explained why it should be kept.". Granted, I do agree with them that it was deleted without an edit reason. I also sent them a PM explaining why it was originally deleted. However, I waited a couple days later, and I didn't get a response.
There are several things wrong with this entry:
MOST RECENT EDIT: I revised this.
Edited by RandomTroper123