Pre TLP Conceptualization. "COBRA-Analogue" Western Animation

Basically, a trope for evil, named organizations reminiscent of GI Joe's COBRA. That is to say, an terrorist-conspiracy-esque N.G.O. Superpower, often with a vague animal theming, legions of fanatical grunts, underground bases, super-science access to seemingly bottomless resources and military-grade weaponry such as tanks, who typically fight a heroic organization rather than just a singular hero, often the over-arching threat behind lesser ones.

Examples include Marvel's HYDRA, Command & Conquer's Brotherhood of Nod, Mass Effect's Cerberus.

Do you consider this worthy of a Fountain of Expies trope or not?

The Hunchback of Notre Dame Western Animation

So, I discovered that in the subpages for The Hunchback of Notre Dame (i.e. Characters.The Hunchback Of Notre Dame), the Gypsies were renamed to the Roma, despite the film referring to them by the former term.

As such I have a question: should we refer to them as the Roma or Gypsies?

Question on ParentsInDistress and ExtremelyProtectiveChild Western Animation

I've got a question regarding the recent movie Wolfwalkers and the Parents in Distress and Extremely Protective Child tropes.

Mebh is the daughter of Moll who (while in her wolf form) is captured and caged. When Mebh finds out why her mom has been missing for days, she goes ballistic in her attempts to free her in a way that fits both tropes.

The question is that because the main story of the movie takes place over just 2-3 days, the story picks up with Moll already in a Parents in Distress situation although Mebh doesn't learn about this until 2/3 through. We don't see enough of Mebh and Moll together outside of the "distress" circumstances for the movie to say that Mebh is always extremely protective.

Because they are Wolfwalkers, Mebh and Moll have a certain degree of "pack mentality" and from what we see of Mebh's personality you could build a case that she would always be instinctively protective of an obvious physical threat to Moll. However, as Meb is only 8 years old, it's hard to see her picking up on emotional threats to be defensive about, nor would Moll, who is shown as a protective mother, be encouraging her daughter to put her safety at risk.

As such I feel that the movie only fully justifies the Parents in Distress trope but leaves the Extremely Protective Child trope open to "maybe, kinda" but still speculative.

Feedback welcome.

Edit war Western Animation

I reverted some of the recently caught ban evader's entries on YMMV.Tangled The Series and noticed an edit war:

• Neko Hybrid added an entry on BrokenBase.Tangled The Series.
• Unicornia 1, the ban evader, moved it to YMMV.Tangled The Series under here. They put it under Wangst without changing it otherwise.
• AGT Magic rewrote it to minimize complaining: their edit reason says, "Like many edits to this page and the Base Breaker one, it comes across like a means of venting anger at Cassandra."
• In the next edit on the page, Neko Hybrid reverted it to the way it originally was without an edit reason.
• AGT Magic changed it back, restating their point about the original entry being biased.
• Neko Hybrid changed the entry yet again with no edit reason.

Edit: Added the first bullet. As Kevjro 7 pointed out here, I missed the first step.

Phineas and ferb Western Animation

The character page is going to every one that edit it can you please fix it

Need a page reverted by a mod Western Animation

On February 12th, the user Golden Seal suddenly changed the entire formatting of entries on the So Bad Its Horrible page for Western Animation. Consensus on the SBIH Cleanup thread agrees that the change wasn't discussed by anyone, and there was no description added to the entry. Would it be possible to revert it back?

Suspicious edits and potential ban evasion Western Animation

This thread is related to one that was made about TinyLittleLetters, a user who has since been banned, back in November. In fact, I originally posted the content of this thread as a follow-up to that one, but I got several replies suggesting that it would probably work better as it's own separate topic (since the last one was getting overly long), and I agreed with that, so the discussion has been moved here.

For the last couple of weeks, a new troper named Unicornia1 has been editing many of the same pages in the same fandoms that TinyLittleLetters did, with the same opinions as them, around the same time of the day as them - and they've been doing this ever since their account was brand new. It could just be a coincidence, and normally, I would probably dismiss it as one, but lately, I’ve started to suspect that they might be the same person because they share the same bias when it comes to Varian and Frederic, where it’s very obvious that they love the former and hate the latter.

Over the last few weeks, they’ve been slowly downplaying or erasing tropes that paint Varian’s actions from early in the series in a negative light, while they’ve swung to the opposite extreme with Frederic, slowly erasing any and all positive tropes associated with him, to the point where they deny that he grew any in the series at all past Season 1, to make it easier to bash his character as much as possible. In fact, one of the very first edits that Unicornia 1 ever made was removing Varian from the Draco In Leather Pants trope and Frederic from the Ron The Death Eater trope on Tangled: The Series’ YMMV page in regards to how the fandom sometimes treats them - which are the exact same edits that Tiny Little Letters made early on during their time on this wiki. The same can be said for an edit Tiny Little Letters made to Frederic’s folder in September, which Tenebrika deleted in December, which Unicornia 1 then restored in February. So that sets off some red flags.

Besides Frederic and Varian, they’ve also expressed a lot of the same opinions about Rapunzel (1, 2, 3), Cassandra (1, 2, 3), and Arianna (1, 2, 3 4) that Tiny Little Letters did before they were banned.

Suggesting that someone is a sockpuppet is a pretty serious accusation, and one that I don’t make lightly, but there seems to be a lot of signs pointing towards that - so could an IP check be done just to make sure that isn’t the case?

TinyLittleLetters Western Animation

Tiny Little Letters makes a lot of edits on Tangled: The Series pages. I deleted shoehorns here, here, here, here, and here— darn, I cut a lot; have I grown trigger-happy? I wrote an edit reason for each deletion though. But what I want to talk about is that I suspect this troper does Draco in Leather Pants.

• Here, meet Rapunzel the Death Eater who makes the poor Varian suffer.

They added this on Recap.Tangled The Series S 3 E 01 Rapunzels Return:

• Laser-Guided Karma: Done en masse. Toward the end of Season 1, the people of Corona turned their backs on Varian and denied him when he begged them for help. Now, he's allied himself with the Saporians and has taken over the kingdom, with Corona's citizens being forced to mine crystals for Varian's chemicals so the Saporians can use them to their advantage.

When "the people of Corona turned their backs on Varian", there was a deadly magical blizzard threatening to destroy the kingdom while he needed someone to save his father from being Taken for Granite that he (Varian) accidentally caused, and no one was able to do anything about it. So, it's totally justified to take over the kingdom and force them to mine crystals.

A few days ago, the same troper added this on YMMV.Tangled The Series:

• Catharsis Factor:
  • After seeing them display disturbing Lack of Empathy towards his problems in the second half of Season 1, with King Frederic hunting down Varian for the Demanitus Scroll and chasing him out of his own home, and Rapunzel never checking on Varian after Zhan Tiri's blizzard was over (thus abandoning him for months on end), as well as expressing little-to-no concern for his well-being even when seeing Quirin encased in amber, Varian gloating in their faces over abducting Queen Arianna is quite satisfying, especially when he taunts Frederic to his face and puts Rapunzel through physical pain while using her hair as a drill. This also goes true for Varian, in his giant automaton, grabbing Arianna away from them, after they'd shared a warm and long hug right in front of him as he breaks down over failing to free his father.

I've addressed Rapunzel's actions in the above-mentioned post. Arianna offers Varian a chance to turn from villainy after he abducts her, and he rejects it; she's done nothing bad to him. It's absolutely cathartic to see a good woman being nearly crushed to her death.

So, what to do about this? Maybe I should talk to this troper but I don't know how. "Even if you're grief-stricken, it's not nice to enslave and kill innocent people?"

Rugrats All Grown Up Recap Page Western Animation

I love the Lucky 13 episode of RAGU, and was sad to see the recap page was cut. Is it safe to recreate it, and if so, what can I do to prevent it from being cut again afterwards?

Creating an Image Pickin' Thread Western Animation

Hello, I have a questions that is related to the Image Pickin' Threads. Are tropers allowed to start another thread that is the same as my last one? The reason why is because there were not a lot of people replying to it and I truly feel it is necessary to include images into the recap page of The Clone Wars. The main reason being because the images I selected for the thread represent what each season is about and some of the other Star Wars have a least one image in their recap page. I also believe that creating another Image Pickin' Thread that is about the recap page of The Clone Wars will help to provide a better census. Thoughts or comments? Please respond to my question whenever you can.

HeroElementary character list Western Animation

I want to add an entry for Benny Bubbles as he has distinct teeth in his mouth as opposed to the standard "white line", but I'm not sure if there's a specific trope. Would Non-Standard Character Design be appropriate or should I even bother?

Continuity Nod vs. Mythology Gag Western Animation

Whenever one of the various My Little Pony: Equestria Girls work makes a reference, shout-out or nod to the parent show My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, there tends to be some hesitations between putting them either in Continuity Nod or Mythology Gag.

I personally tend to favor Mythology Gag, leaving actual nods to previous Equestria Girls products to Continuity Nod, but I'd like other opinions here.

Where does Doctor Rabbit goes? Western Animation

In which folder would you put Doctor Rabbit examples?

I've seen it in "Web Original", which is clearly wrong. First reflex would be to put it in "Western Animation" or "Web Animation", although in my opinion, it fits best in "Advertising".

A whole section of Friendship Is Magic characters moved. Western Animation

Troper Unicornia1 has moved the section "A Hearth's Warming Tale Characters" from Friendship Is Magic: Others to Friendship Is Magic: Historical Figures (without even leaving an edit reason, by the way, meaning I had to look it up to make sure it wasn't mere vandalism) with just adding an Ambiguous Situation trope example arguing that the characters may actually be historical.

Problem is, the show never alluded to that being anything but a story making use of some Historical Domain Characters, and even if it did that would still be quite speculative and insufficient to warrant the move. Thoughts?

Multiple YMMV Images Western Animation

I was reading NightmareFuel.The Simpsons and discovered the page has multiple images. The page image is the same, but each folder now has an image of its own. Is this allowed?

Image issues Western Animation

The new page image on Star Wars: The Clone Wars is already one of the folder images, but also still has the old image's caption and episode link. Permission to fix?

Is it possible to put an old example that was deleted for no reason. Western Animation

I was on the recap page of 6teen where it says some episodes are missing in US and that you need to see What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? on YMMV but it's not there anymore because someone deleted it without edit reason 5 years ago. Can I put it back? If not, what was the reason someone deleted it?

Franchise.ToyStory redirect Western Animation

I have noticed that WesternAnimation.Toy Story seems to be written in the style of a Franchise page, with it listing all the works the series has appeared in and general tropes for the series (pages for the first movie instead go to WesternAnimation.Toy Story 1). Would it be alright if I recreated the cut Franchise.Toy Story page, moved the page's content there and made the WesternAnimation.Toy Story page a redirect to the Franchise page?

Should we add a page for the Neverending Story cartoon? Western Animation

Whilst the Neverending Story is best known for its original novel format and the 80s film adaptation, there was a late 90s/early 2000s animated series called, simply "The Neverending Story" - although one source I've found names it "The Neverending Story: The Animated Adventures of Bastian Balthazar Bux". As the question title asks, should we add a The NeverEnding Story page to cover tropes unique to the animaed depiction of Fantastia?

Art Shifted Sequel or Art Evolution Western Animation

Hello, I have a question regarding trope entries on the character pages that present how certain characters have altered designs in a new season/series that make them look different from their appearances in a previous work or season. When creating an entry about how a character looks different in a new season or series, should we use the trope Art-Shifted Sequel or Art Evolution? The reason why I am asking is due to the fact that the Art Evolution page has several entries that present how the characters and/or the animation of a series changes overtime and discuss how they look different. There is also the fact that the Art-Shifted Sequel focuses on the differences between the art styles of a series and their sequel/new season. Regardless, it appears that certain character pages like some of the ones associated with Star Wars (some examples being these particular character pages) use Art-Shifted Sequel instead of Art Evolution to describe how certain characters look different in The Clone Wars and Rebels, while other character pages (such as the ones associated with Batman: The Animated Series) use Art Evolution. As a result, I feel confused about the trope that I should include to describe how a character changes in their appearance. I also personally do not believe that Rebels' art style is an evolution of The Clone Wars' art style, which only adds to my confusion. What trope should I use?

Character descriptions Western Animation

Many of the Star Wars: The Clone Wars character pages such as Star Wars – Fallen Jedi, Star Wars – 501st Legion, Star Wars – Clone Troopers have character descriptions written in the past tense. How to Write an Example says examples should use present tense, so should these descriptions be edited?

PurpleCandlelight Western Animation

Mentioned this in the Complaining and Bashing thread, but since it's such a common problem with this troper I'm bringing it up here: PurpleCandlelight has shown an inclination for complaining about Mabel on many Gravity Falls pages, such as the YMMV page for Weirdmageddon Part 2 or Mabel's character page. In addition, some of their examples can get very long.

NVM Western Animation

NVM taking it to Nightmare Fuel cleanup instead

Recreate Finding Nemo Teaser Article Western Animation

Is it safe for anybody to recreate the Teaser for Finding Nemo article?