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openHow can I add an alternative linkable title for a work? Literature
Specifically, the Scum Villain's Self-Saving System. Right now I can only link to it by typing out the full whopping The Scum Villain's Self-Saving System: Ren Zha Fanpai Zijiu Xitong which is just kind of silly!!!! The Scum Villains Self Saving System is already long enough and should work just as well.
resolved Is "All-New Venom" page overdoing it a little with the Paul hate? Literature
I noticed recent edits to All-New Venom seem to be definitively describing Paul Rabin as an abusive asshole selfishly gaslighting and brainwashing Mary Jane into staying with him when she clearly still loves Peter Parker.
Now, I don't like Paul any more than... well... pretty much everyone, including the writers and artists at Marvel, but that strikes me as going into Alternative Character Interpretation territory—indeed, Paul being an abusive asshole who uses gaslighting and dark magic to manipulate MJ into staying with him when she still loves Peter Parker is mentioned under Alternative Character Interpretation on the YMMV page.
If anything, Paul is depicted as a Butt-Monkey who's effectively being cuckolded by the Venom symbiote and is disrespected by Dylan Brock at every available opportunity despite reaching out to the latter and trying to be a supportive father figure.
Edited by Arawn999openTrope misuse Literature
Beastpower 87 has repeatedly added Moral Event Horizon entries to the Harry Potter page that aren't accurate, such as saying Snape crossed it in Book 5 by not teaching Occlumency properly despite the fact he's portrayed as redeeming himself, and claiming Hermione crossed it despite her being one of the heroes which means it wasn't intended by the author (and she's claimed to have crossed it by wiping her parents' memories despite this being to protect them).
Edited by Javertshark13openUniverse and Book With Same Name Literature
i've been trying to flesh out some pages for You Could Make a Life, which is a literature universe. it's a very large verse full of 16 (and counting) novels that share characters and settings, with frequent crossover between them all & a firmly established canon. some works are published via traditional self-publishing, and others are posted online using Archive of our Own. while they are in the same universe, they are not all part of the same series, and there are many different series within it.
the issue i've run into while making pages is that the universe shares the same name as the first novel in the series, You Could Make a Life by Taylor Fitzpatrick.
i would like to make a page for the universe itself, separate from the novel You Could Make a Life. does anyone know how i should go about this? i'm currently working off You Could Make a Life. thank you!
openCan I trope my autobiography? Literature
I'd like to create a trope page for my self-published autobiography Andy's Nature: Asperger's, Obesity and the Supernatural. Would this be allowable? If so, could I link it to my You Tube channel? The channel is linked to my website, which in turn is linked to the book's Amazon page, and I understand commercial links are forbidden on TVT.
resolved A page in a very bad shape Literature
I stumbled upon Literature.Ill Become A Villianess Who Goes Down In History (title misspelled; it's supposed to be "I'll Become A Villainess Who Goes Down In History") and the whole page is a mess.
- As said before, the title itself is misspelled.
- The work does indeed exist, but there's no proper description for it.
- Spacing is whack.
- And so is the grammar.
Permission to copy the text, get the page cutlisted, and start all over?
Edited by moxedenopenPage move request Literature
I've been thinking that the page for the Black Lagoon book series should be moved to The Black Lagoon which seems to be its official name, and it would help avoid confusion with the Black Lagoon anime. Is this something I can do myself or do I need permission from a mod first?
Edited by Javertshark13openDeleted examples with weird edit reason. Literature
So I have been wondering if one of the examples that was deleted in 13 Reasons Why 5 years ago was reasonable or not despite the weird edit reason. Here are two examples before it was deleted (trigger warning: SA):
- Must Not Die a Virgin: A very disturbing example. Not long before killing herself, Hannah, now severely depressed, gets in a hot tub with a known rapist. She is fully aware how this will play out.
- Rape Is a Special Kind of Evil: Fuck you, Bryce. FUCK YOU!
resolved Cold Duke of the North trope? Literature
Since really getting into Korean webtoons in the last two years, there's a certain character archetype that shows up in like 90% of romantic fantasy novels and I'm surprised it isn't here yet so maybe I've just missed it. Its become so common that people have even made jokes memes about him and different series have started calling the trope out even when playing it straight.
That man is the Cold Duke of the North! He has short black hair cut, red or blue eyes (and if they're red its distinct to either himself or his family), and a love for black clothing with bits of jewelry hanging off. He is also known for being an *incredibly* well-built hunk of man meat and yes we the reader will always see him with his shirt undone or off at some point to make sure we know how stacked he is. Despite appearing emotionless to everyone around him, his heart will thaw usually on first sight when he sees our lovely lady protagonist, who he will remark is "interesting." The guy has a tragic past and a reputation as a cold-hearted butcher of the battlefield, and his northern domain is akin to Winterfell in both temperature and regular monster invasions which he has take point in fending off for the rest of the Empire. His cold demeanor means a significant chunk of the story involves communication problems in the central relationship with the female lead that any normal person could resolve through a five second conversation. Also it means the vast majority of stories starring one of these fellows as the male romantic lead features a contract relationship at the center of it that everyone thinks the female lead is bonkers for entering into because of his fearsome reputation.
Do we not have this a trope that already covers this specific main character archetype?
resolved Figuring out how to alphabetize strange example Literature
So, the work Orson Scott Card's Empire is listed on the work page as Orson Scott Card's Empire, however, every source I can find lists the title as simply Empire. I presume this was originally done to prevent confusion with other works of literature with the title Empire, however, currently, there are no other works in the Literature namespace with that title; Empire currently redirects to Empire which is itself a disambiguation page.
The reason I ask is because I was attempting to alphabetize a page and wasn't sure if this page should be put under "O" for Orson or "E" for Empire, which is, as far as I can tell, the proper title for the novel.
Thank you in advance for your help!
openHypothetical Casting Literature
I'm wondering if I could make a Hypothetical Casting page for Once Upon a Studio: Version 2.0, with it being a full-scale reimagining of Disney's 100th anniversary short film, but I think I should ask how many credits, roughly, would be needed to accommodate that page. The credits are already listed under Fan Works, but I'm hoping to move them to a dedicated Hypothetical Casting page for the fanfic itself.
Edited by IronSpider24resolved Victoria vandalism Literature
I'm on a self-imposed hiatus due to reasons, but this should be brought to the mods' attention.
Walker 45 has edited Literature.Victoria, calling it "a deranged piece of Nazi propaganda" and the like. They have also made forum posts
expressing overwhelmingly negative views towards the work and saying they will remove all mentions of it from the wiki.
Requesting mod revert of Victoria.
resolved Validity of an example Literature
Wasn't sure where to put this, didn't seem like it belonged in "Is this an Example". I was adding something to ThenLetMeBeEvil.Literature and happened to find this:
- Fagin in Oliver Twist is such an anti-Semitic caricature that Dickens himself grew ashamed at the remonstrations of several Jewish acquaintances, mended his beliefs, and wrote much more sympathetic Jewish characters in the future. However, since Oliver Twist was so popular and has so frequently been adapted, the adapters have had to deal with the Unfortunate Implications somehow. Some of them have used this, depicting Fagin's villainy less as a stereotype and more as an understandable response to the grinding poverty and degradation he would have suffered due to the relentless classism and anti-Semitism in England in the period.
The whole example is basically complaining about Fagin being a Greedy Jew stereotype, which, fair enough! But the example
- doesn't even get to illustrating the trope until halfway through.
- isn't actually an example for the linked source material but rather about unnamed adaptations.
- is violating Examples Are Not General by not specifying any adaptations in particular.
So I think this should probably be cut. Agreed?
Edited by StarSwordresolved Moving character to a different page Literature
I'd like to move Shen Jiu's character profile from Characters.The Scum Villains Self Saving System Demon Realm And Other Characters over to Characters.The Scum Villains Self Saving System Four Main Sects. Currently he's just under Other Characters, but I think he should really be under the Qing Jing Peak section as he was literally the leader of said peak before his (presumed) death, at which point he exits the story. (I'm explaining this to clarify that there are no conflicting affiliations or anything so I don't know why he's been placed under Other Characters.) Am I allowed to go ahead and move him?
Edited by ZaperexopenWhere to put some LMM examples? Literature
Lucy Maud Montgomery's page
has a few examples from the Chronicles of Avonlea books. It's specified that all examples from books that have their own pages don't count. The thing is, the Chronicles books are explicitly in the world of Anne of Green Gables, even if Anne only makes a few cameos. So what do we do?
Option 1. Move the Chronicles examples from Maud's page to the Anne page and add a note to Maud's page listing all 11/12 (it's complicated) books in the Anne series, all three Emily books, etc.
Option 2. Split off all miscellaneous Maud short stories into their own page, including the Chronicles books, preserving Maud's page for the authoress herself and recurring tropes only.
resolved American Girl - Ban Evader Literature
It looks like a recent editor, Peachy2023, was found to be a ban evader for another account and their edits were reverted on multiple pages they added to. However, I edited two American Girl character pages they added to to remove or correct some of these edits, thinking it was a new editor making the same mistakes: the Historical Character Page at American Girls Collection Historical Characters and Girls of the Year page at American Girls Collection - Girls of the Year. Does someone else need to come in and revert these edits from the evader, or can I remove the other remaining examples myself?
(edit because the name made a red link and linking the affected pages. )
Edited by Nethiliaopen Potential complaining in YMMV of Do You Love Your Mom and Her Two-Hit Multi-Target Attacks? Literature
I had a look at the YMMV section of Do You Love Your Mom and Her Two-Hit Multi-Target Attacks? and the They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot entry seems more complaining about the premise than any neglected plot points.
* They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: The very idea of exploring an Isekai setting based in an MMORPG is nothing new, but has the potential to be extremely deep and rich if the lore and write-up is done right. The actual novel itself, though, only seems to rely on the game as an excuse as to why the players are there fighting the monsters as they are. There is no exploration of the game mechanics, how players interact with them and the bearings they have on the plot at large à la Sword Art Online, and actual story content is threadbare and disjointed. It doesn't even really work as a game setting, as games have to have rules and balancing if they're to be fair and believable, while gameplay in the story is deliberately designed poorly to favor a subset of players for no discernible reason than a gag, which is the deconstruction of isekai protagonists being The Ace. Nothing would have changed plot-wise had all of the game-related aspects been removed, as their presence in the story is just fluff. In fact, removing the constraints of a game setting would give the author even more leg room to wiggle without breaking the audience's Willing Suspension of Disbelief, since it still has the makings of a standard isekai plot.Wanted input on what to do rather than get gung ho about deleting the example.
EDIT: Noticed the appropriate thread. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=16509479720A72263400&page=1
Best just close this already.
openTroper adding their own fanon to a work page Literature
Ian78668
is very much into the Alternate History story Player Two Start, having most of their edit history devoted to its work page. However, they seem to be adding their own concepts and ideas (usually about Don Bluth or Pokémon in some form) into the work page that aren't in the text itself. Even the author had to step in and take some of this out
, only for them to add yet more of their own fanon. I sent them a few notifiers a while ago, and they seemed to comply at first... but just recently came back again and added yet more of their own fanon into it. Since I didn't want it to be an edit war, I sent them another notifier and bringing up the problem here.

Is there a consensus on how to format a Fanfic Rec page besides the basics? LunaSlashSea has added a lot of three or even six full paragraph spaces to fic rec pages that aren't used on other pages, as well as divider lines (----) between every fic. It looks fine on the page itself but when going into the editor it's kinda messy, mainly for the big gaps.
FanficRecs.Hades and FanficRecs.Hadestown have those attributes, while FanficRecs.Slay The Princess and FanficRecs.Doki Doki Literature Club don't, for comparison.
Edited by lalalei2001