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openQuestion about potentially off-color remark in Mulan Film
Misogynist character in Mulan had this quote at the end - "In Asia, the women come second."
Now Listen, I'm not asian. I don't know if this is problematic. Heck, maybe the troper who wrote is asian themselves. I don't know if any harm was meant. But I've seen asians, by the by, complaining about the hypocrisy of the West and whatnot. I just want to know is this comment...it's so generalizing, I want to figure out if this was a problematic thing before confronting them.
openToo small a page? Film
Memes.Mulan 2020 seems too small to be its own page, having 6 examples of dubious quality/memeage.
openBroken Base Misuse from a Recurring Problem Editor? Film
I looked over the Mulan YMMV page to do some cleanup now that the live-action film has given it new attention. A while back I went through the Broken Base to adjust some of the harsher language regarding the "Mulan as trans allegory" interpretation (I strongly disagree with that take and consider it to be an example of Misaimed Fandom, and am considering moving it there, but nevertheless I still believe that it should be documented and discussed in a respectful way).
Afterwards I noticed that Marikusu added a very lengthy and wanky addendum
, which first off, is incredibly long and detailed for the point it needs to make, and comes off as overwhelmingly biased towards one side, basically being to rebuff the other (again, I agree with their take, but not with their writeup). The second part of it ironically has the opposite problem, but clearly reads as personal venting that doesn't bother to fulfill any of the requirements for a Broken Base. I tried to deal with some of the misuse by rewriting it under Alternative Character Interpretation, as well as some related wank from different tropers, but I'm tempted to just nuke the damn thing.
The name sounded familiar, and looking it up there was a previous incident
I brought up here in which I had to correct a rather bad example of trope misuse. When I pointed out their issues they sent me back an incredibly rude response accusing me of character bias, which I rebutted by pointing out their issue was with blatant misuse. Thankfully, they did not start an edit war after that.
But based on their current behavior it seems like they haven't gotten any better with their issues regarding trope misuse, using tropes pages as an excuse for personal venting, or Clear, Concise, Witty issues.
So if anyone else has had run-ins with this troper they'd like to bring up, please let me know, because it seems like they have persistent problems with proper editing etiquette.
Edited by AlleyOopopenComplaints Magnet? Film
The Critical Research Failure section under Mulan (2020) is getting quite long and nitpicky, in excess of even what the most flexible interpretations of the trope allow. While a lot of people have correctly called the film out for failing to get basic aspects of Chinese culture correct despite advertising itself as more authentic, a lot of these examples come off as less informed criticisms and more an excuse for certain users to kick the film while it's down by parroting criticisms they saw elsewhere, some of which may misunderstand the actual reason for why the mistake was such an issue in the first place, or introduce Critical Research Failure of their own.
This despite scholars of Chinese culture and people of Chinese descent themselves pointing out that these aspects of Chinese culture get subjected to Artistic License within Chinese-created media all the time, and are not as clear-cut or even the worst crimes the film commits.
Edited by AlleyOopopenMulan WMG Film
This is on the WMG page for Mulan (2020) :
- Between the disastrous test screenings, the lead actress' poor reception (considered to be "more concerned with looking pretty than emoting"), her controversial opinion regarding the Hong Kong protests (which will not be discussed further here), the backlash Western fans have given to most of the changes (No Mushu, no songs, no Shang), and the recent underwhelming performance of Maleficent: Mistress of Evil at the box office, I'm not entirely confident that this film is going to do well in theaters. Perhaps if it ends up underperforming, Disney will decide to start releasing its remakes exclusively to Disney+, or eventually just cease to do them altogether.
- There's also the coronavirus outbreak to be taken into consideration. It took everyone by surprise, but due to the large outbreak many Chinese citizens will be on quarantined or unmotivated to go to the movies, which will lead to the box office badly hurting.
I don't think this is okay, is it?
openMulan 2020: Safe to Recreate? Film
The page for the 2020 Mulan live-action remake is currently a redlink for not having a trailer/tropeable material. With today's release of the first proper trailer and poster, do we think it's safe to recreate or not yet?
openThe Army Coming Over the Ridge Film
I don't see this trope covered in your website.
It happens all the time when one army is staring down another. To demonstrate the steep odds facing the one army, the ominous music (or sound effects) plays, the camera cuts to a vacant ridge, then we see the whole of the opposing army slowly emerge until they darken the entire ridge.
EXAMPLES
Mulan = the Huns charge the Imperial Army through The Tung Xiao Pass.
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace = the Droid Army's tanks slowly approach the Gungan force fields.
The Return of the King = the Riders of Rohan arrive at the gates of Minas Tirith.
Game of Thrones, S 07 E 04 = We hear the Dothraki screamers for a long while before they charge the Lannister Supply Train.
I'm sure there are dozens, if not scores, if not hundreds of additional examples.
Edited by Hughmsweeney

I was looking at the edit history for the film section of Critical Dissonance, and I noticed that a troper had added
a lengthy entry for Captain Marvel (2019) that seems more dedicated to bashing the film than actually discussing the trope at hand; they also added what looks like natter to various other entries (specifically Ghostbusters (2016), Cuties, Mulan (2020), and Peter Pan & Wendy). I was already planning on cutting down on the Captain Marvel example, but I wanted to double-check on if I should restore the other edited entries to how they looked before.