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resolved Is my grammar good enough with Grammarly?
So I posted my Get Help With English forum like the one below two days but no one checked it so the next day I reposted it again but still, no one checked it. Is it because it doesn't need to be fixed because of Grammarly or because I was punished for my past actions? Here's the post that I was talking about.
- Tampering with Food and Drink: In the end, when Brittney and her presumed dead mother celebrate their victory, her mother takes a slip of the drink that Brittney hands out to her, she says that the drink is strong. Brittney gives a smug smile and quote "They do make them strong here, don't they?", implying that Brittney poisoned her mother to get the money for herself.
- Food Fight: Combine with Cat Fight. When Emilia refuses to move while Ivy politely tries to leave during the family dinner with The Ardiente Family, Ivy grows impatient and shoves the cake (that Emilia was holding) to Emilia's face and an enraged Emilia starts fighting with Ivy while the cake smears on them.
Is my grammar good enough to send?
Note: Yes, I am aware that there are other volunteers and I shouldn't rely on one person but two days ago and probably today they were not available. And I am a changed person so I didn't beg in a post nor I do send a pm complaint about something anymore.
Edited by Bubblepigresolved "Stealing" someone else's edit?
I know this wiki isn't actually about credit for providing examples, context and such but is it actually possible to "steal" and edit of a page, i.e. delete the entry and then add it yourself in a way it doesn't show in page history?
I don't remember every single thing I wrote here but still have a disturbing suspicion that I was the one who wrote this entry
.
openHelp with finding a trope that mentions djinns
I was planning to ask this in Trope Finder but the wording in it gave me the impression it's just to ask if a trope already exists, so sorry if I'm asking this in the wrong place.
So there's a trope where one of its examples is explaining how a djinn grants wishes in the original stories, and the explanations is if you ask for a property (Maybe a kingdom), he won't create one from scratch and will just buy the property or at least the paperwork for it.
The trope itself isn't about djinns in particular, I think it was just explaining the difference between people's belief and what actually happened, but I'm not sure if that is what the trope was about since seemingly it's not included in Common Knowledge.
I'm pretty sure the example uses the word "mundane" to describe the djinn's simple solution to getting the property.
openQuick question on the WhatHappenedToTheMouse entry on the PRTF character page Live Action TV
Back in June 2023, I removed the What Happened to the Mouse? entry from Gluto's section in the Characters.Power Rangers Time Force page (history is here
). V-Nerd re-added it nearly a month ago here
.
In many stories, some characters enter the story, serve their role, and move on without any fanfare. If they have served their purpose and exit the story, then it's not a What Happened to the Mouse? situation just because there isn't some final "where are they now" information given. The trope is for cases where a character simply disappears without reason or acknowledgment by the rest of the cast. Plus, it's also a plot point. In this instance, Gluto slipping away during the final battle between Frax and the Rangers by freezing himself is a reasonable explanation for him leaving the story.
Rather than get involved in an Edit War, I'm bringing this up here. That said, any thoughts on what should be done?
Edited by gjjonesopenMichael Eisner's Creator Page
Last month, Tylerbear 12 made a case
for Michael Eisner and Jeffrey Katzenberg to not have Creator pages under the pretense that they're merely CEOs rather than creators. While I agree with their argument for Katzenberg to not have a page, I'd like to make a counter in regards to Eisner, as he's published three separate nonfiction books during and after his tenure at Disney, was the host of his own talk show entitled Conversations with Michael Eisner, and after his ousting from Disney, he created his own show in the form of Glenn Martin, DDS, which he self-funded.
openNot-Edit War but still should move here
Hey so, I edited Not a Subversion to replace the line
- (in fact, it might even be better for aversions to simply be called "avoidances", were it not for the enormous hassle such a change would be for this site).
- (in fact, it might even be better for aversions to simply be called "absent tropes", were it not for the enormous hassle such a change would be for this site).
My logic was that the Averted Trope page itself classified a Defied Trope as a trope "acknowledged and avoided by the characters" and saw "absent tropes" as a more clear way to communicate the idea of an Averted Trope.
I then looked at the history, and noticed a similar edit has happened before, where someone edited the line to be
- in fact, it might even be better for aversions to simply be called "avoidances," were it not for the enormous hassle such a change would be for this site and the fact that it would instead be confused with Defied Trope, in which a character actively avoids the trope).
this change was reverted by a moderator. That makes me think the current line is actively wanted.
I am of the opinion "avoidances" is a misleading term as well, and that line should be changed in the article. But think that should be discussed here first (obviously I reverted my edit).
edit: I'd also argue this usage of the word avoid doesn't accurately cover the meaning of aversion. Like when a trope is absent because it doesn't exist in the culture that made the story, it isn't "avoiding" the trope. And I also think it's too easy to mistake for the concept of "defying" regardless of the explanation of the author "avoiding" the trope (which as mentioned, doesn't actually describe the meaning of aversion).
Edited by IronAnimationresolved Can Hypocrite apply to the author of a work or just its characters? Web Original
For instance, say the author of a work clearly in an author's note expresses contempt for a certain trope or story beat, but then in the work itself they use that same trope or story beat straight without irony or deconstruction when necessary to suit the narrative.
EDIT: If not, is there a more appropriate trope to use?
Edited by RaxisopenHelp me make a page for Off Book: The Improvised Musical Radio
I recently started listening to Off Book: The Improvised Musical, a podcast run by Jess McKenna and Zach Reino (also known from Welcome to Mountport, which their podcast inspired) where every episode is full-length, totally improvised musical. I’ve made a page before (SpongeBob SquigglePants), but I just started this very long podcast, so I don’t have enough information to add all the tropes, and I don’t wanna spoil it for myself. It would make the most sense to have a recap page so every episode’s tropes could be listed separately. I could start the page, but I’d have to update it very slowly overtime. If anyone here has listened to most/all of Off Book and would like to volunteer to start/contribute to the page, it would be appreciated. This podcast is too awesome and trope-filled to lack a page entirely (especially since Welcome to Mountport already has one).
Edited by HopHoppipresolved Question about pages of works that you authored.
I have written a book, it is currently in the process of being published.
Once it is published, there are the guidelines of The Fic May Be Yours, but the Trope Page Is Ours.
But one thing in particular struck me as odd about that policy: specifically, the trivia section:
"You may not add any examples marked as Trivia that contain information not known to the general public"
What exactly does this mean? That I need to write about it somewhere first before being allowed to put it on Tv Tropes? I do not have a public online presence, I am not a professional author, but I am here, a troper. By definition I am one of you. Would Tv Tropes itself not count as being "known to the general public"? Or do I have to make a twitter account that no one follows, write it there, and then link to it when writing a trivia entry?
openLinks for Awesome Music
I'm aware that for Awesome Music, we ask to link official uploads of tracks. However, do we have any preferences regarding platforms? I'm asking such because I was planning on adding an entry to YMMV.Celeste, only to notice this commented-out note:
I checked the page history, and discovered that this was added
back in 2021. What I find odd, however, is that the user who added the note swapped out Youtube links for Bandcamp ones—even though the Youtube links sent you to official uploads from the composer's Youtube channel
.
So, do we have a preference regarding links to websites? I personally find Youtube to be a bit more convenient myself, but I figured it was worth asking about here.
Edited by jandn2014openIs there any parameter for text under headers to be put in folders?
This is a question that popped on my mind when I was doing some structuring on the The Amazing Digital Circus pages. Specifically, when I put the "General" section of the newly-created Alternative Character Interpretation in a folder (to go in tandem with the folders in the "Episodes" section) among some cleanup, I went to check if any other pages had some sections with folders and others without them, I found the Heartwarming page, which had its "Misc." section without a folder; I attempted to put it in a folder, only to notice upon looking in the page's history that Shanwoo 444 (the same troper who created the Alternative Character Interpretation) had already done that
before only to quickly remove it as they were creating folders for each episode under the "Episodes" header, at which I quickly reverted the changes (initially because I mis-read the entries for a moment and thought I added the "Misc." folder myself, meaning that I could have started an edit war, but I sticked to what I did anyway after seeing I didn't just in case).
What I'm asking is, in pages pertaining to examples of a trope in a specific work that use folders and headers at the same time, should folders only be used as further subsections for headers that have distinctive aspects separating the examples (e.g. the episode it takes place in), or is a single folder acceptable for any header regardless of how the distinction between its examples or even its length (as the Misc. section in the Heartwarming page is rather short with only two examples)? Shanwoo 444 and I seem to have rather different ways of organizing pages like these, given how I prefer to put everything in folders to keep things neat whereas they are fine with leaving headings without folders unless they address things such as episodes. I'm not really sure if there's any rule or recommendation addressed in the Administrivia pages on how to handle folders in this situation, and I'm asking this just to be safe on what to do.
openI would like to report myself
I would like to report myself for discussion in the edit reasons on
Trivia.Wednesday I honestly didn't realize what I was doing until I had clicked save. I thought I was simply putting an edit reason, but then I remembered that you aren't supposed to respond to previous edit reasons. It only happened once before I realized and decided to report myself. I apologize and will except punishment if necessary.
As a side note I am not even sure if the entry should be there but that is for another thread.
Edited by BullmanopenFranchise Question
Recently, I created a range for the BBC Books releases of the series Torchwood. With this, the parent show, and Torchwood: The Lost Files, there's enough there to warrant a Franchise page which I am thinking of making as well. However, what makes this case a bit murky to me is that Torchwood is a Spin-Off of Doctor Who, which in of itself is a franchise. Additionally, Torchwood material is already covered by the Doctor Who Expanded Universe. Could the franchise page still be created or what would the protocol be here?
Edited by HoloMew151openFanwork-Only Fans questions
I have several questions about Fanwork-Only Fans:
- YMMV.Yu Gi Oh Forbidden Memories has one regarding fan mods (covered by Come for the Game, Stay for the Mods). Practically every other FOF entry I've seen is about the series/franchise in its entirety, not just individual episodes/installments (I assume because being fans of the rest is Fanon Discontinuity instead). Does or should that limit in scope apply to FOF? Or is it just not this game that qualifies as it has a more fitting item covering it?
- YMMV.My Immortal "The fic has reached such huge infamy that many are fans of it without having read or watched the Harry Potter series." I believe this misuse as something that should go under the Harry Potter page as the works subject to such, and that fanworks are exempt as examples are instead Recursive Fanfiction (I might have asked but can't recall). Thoughts about these?
- Sandbox.Enjoy The Setting Ignore The Story was made, then given to me once the creator lost interest. I'm wondering if that's too redundant with FOF (maybe make it a redirect), or worth keeping separate. Thoughts?
- YMMV.RWBY "The series has a vocal amount of fans (and even haters) who adore the setting and characters, but not the show itself. As such, many of them are drawn towards fan works, with some of the most well-known ones even promoting themselves as being improved retellings of the show's narrative." My impression was was FOF requires they never even check out the work, but how can they know enough about it do dislike the canon handling unless they follow/watch enough about it Fanon Discontinuity is a better fit? And/or is this were Enjoy the Setting, Ignore the Story might be a better fit?
While Trope Talk seems the best place to ask, I'm concerned this might be too broad/too many separate questions for a single thread, so I'm being here first to sort out/see if other thread might be the better place to ask some of these questions.
resolved NRLEP with page.
The Real Life page for Mercy Kill exists, although last I checked, it was listed as NRLEP. It just isn't linked to on the main page itself anymore. Was this an oversight?
openLinking to Character pages in trope examples
I was asked about this in a PM but since I didn't have an answer and I've been curious about it myself lately I'll ask it here.
Over the past several months I've noticed people embedding links to Character pages in trope examples (Especially Character Specific Page) and while it doesn't feel right to me I'm not sure if that's actually against the rules or not.
Edited by rmctagg09openExample Indentation problem in YMMv page
I found two examples in YMMV page for The Gifted (2014) where two example indentation is probably used wrongly.
- Alternate Character Interpretation:
- The Stinger regarding the nature of The Gifted novel in the end portrays Marco in in a negative light. The novel portrays the unhealthy rivalry of Aica and Zoe who are actually based on in-universe real life people. In the reveal, the audience learns that the two novel characters are based on two of Marco's former classmates, Maica and Joey who are actually Fire-Forged Friends and are not okay with Marco's portrayal of their fictional counterparts in their books and mugged him in the end for it. They basically claim that the novel is an actual product of Marco's insecurities and envy of the two's academic aptitude and the embarassing incident of Aica's soiling herself and Zoe's revenge on their theology teacher was actually Marco's experience.
- Alternatively Maica's and Zoe's view on Marco's reputation as a friendless outcast maybe an exaggeration as well. Nevertheless the epilogue's possible Aesop against excessive escapism still stands.
- The Stinger regarding the nature of The Gifted novel in the end portrays Marco in in a negative light. The novel portrays the unhealthy rivalry of Aica and Zoe who are actually based on in-universe real life people. In the reveal, the audience learns that the two novel characters are based on two of Marco's former classmates, Maica and Joey who are actually Fire-Forged Friends and are not okay with Marco's portrayal of their fictional counterparts in their books and mugged him in the end for it. They basically claim that the novel is an actual product of Marco's insecurities and envy of the two's academic aptitude and the embarassing incident of Aica's soiling herself and Zoe's revenge on their theology teacher was actually Marco's experience.
- Broken Aesop
- Films and television series who features conventionally unattractive leads often implies a premise that Appearance Is in the Eye of the Beholder. However like in most films, the leads underwent cosmetic surgery. This was subverted in the ending where it was revealed that the events of the film is a loose adaptation of real events by The Gifted author Marco. Maica and Joey criticized Marco's book for making their fictional counterparts undergo surgery and insists they are contented with their appearances. They chastised the book as a escapist Fanservice meant to cater to men.
- However films such as The Gifted also heavily relies to the female demographic with Sam Milby as its male lead. Depending on your point of view the feminist message in the epilogue might not hold water..
- Films and television series who features conventionally unattractive leads often implies a premise that Appearance Is in the Eye of the Beholder. However like in most films, the leads underwent cosmetic surgery. This was subverted in the ending where it was revealed that the events of the film is a loose adaptation of real events by The Gifted author Marco. Maica and Joey criticized Marco's book for making their fictional counterparts undergo surgery and insists they are contented with their appearances. They chastised the book as a escapist Fanservice meant to cater to men.
How do I fix it?
resolved (Danganronpa SPOILERS) Is this a misuse of DoomedByCanon?
This folder is from the prequel work's character page.
- Prequel: Danganronpa 3: The End of Hope's Peak High School: Despair Arc
- Present: Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc
I changed Doomed by Canon to Saved by Canon (the following character got killed in Trigger Happy Havoc, not the prequel anime), but then another troper re-added Doomed By Canon.
Mukuro Ikusaba
- Doomed by Canon: Junko kills her in Chapter 1 of Trigger Happy Havoc while she's masquerading as Junko herself.
- Saved by Canon: Since she's one of participants of the second killing game (while disguising as Junko), this is a given.

i was looking over the YMMV.Charlottes Web page (mainly trying to find an edit I made, but not important to this query), and noticed that the Ensemble Dark Horse example just simply listing Templeton and nothing else had been already back-and-forthed over by different users:
i was going to re-comment it out again, but i don't want to fumble myself into edit-warring over it...