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openURL question Videogame
What kind of YouTube URLs should we link to? I saw over on YMMV.Yu Gi Oh Reshef Of Destruction, MaLady changed a standard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v= URL to https://youtu.be/, which automatically redirects to the former when clicked and lengthens the URL in browsers. The page itself doesn't seem long enough for URL shortening to be necessary.
openCreating an article for your own creation
Hello. I was just wondering on the policy of creating a page for a media article you created? Fanfiction, to be exact. I realize it could be self-promoting, so I was just wondering. Thank you.
openMoral Event Horizon/Darth Vader
ryanasaurus0077 included the following example in Live-Action Films: Darth Vader subverts this twice in the course of the saga. The first subversion happens in Revenge of the Sith when he slaughters the Younglings at the Jedi temple and later impulsively chokes Padme half to death (a broken heart ultimately finishes her off) when he thinks she led Obi-Wan to him, and the second happens in The Empire Strikes Back with his callous treatment of Lando on Cloud City. While both are horrible by themselves, they're both subversions as he ultimately redeems himself in Return of the Jedi with his Papa Wolf moment.
openCharacter Page for VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes Videogame
The character page for Fire Emblem Heroes has mostly characters from the game itself but a few characters from the games before it. My question is, and I asked this in the Discussion tab a few months ago but nobody responded, would it be smarter to just make character pages for the different playable characters based on their home game? We do that to an extent for games like Heroes of the Storm and Fate/Grand Order where they have characters from existing works given a character page, but not Fire Emblem Heroes.
openCreator / Work Page Confusion Web Original
The page WebVideo.Loading Ready Live currently acts as a collective works page for the shows that LoadingReadyRun streams on their Twitch channel. The problem is that "LoadingReadyLive" is no longer the name of their Twitch channel, and it hasn't been for quite some time, it's now the name of a specific show.
So what should be done with this page? I see two possible options:
- Rename the page "LoadingReadyRun Streams" and leave everything else the same.
- Overhaul the page to focus exclusively on the "LoadingReadyLIVE" show and move everything else over to WebVideo.Loading Ready Run.
There's also the issue that "LoadingReadyRun" is both the name of the group itself and also the name of their (pre-recorded) comedy sketches. Should we have WebVideo.Loading Ready Run focus just on the sketches and move everything else over to Creator.Loading Ready Run? Or should we make WebVideo.Loading Ready Run Sketches? Or is this one not that big of a deal?
openCreator / Howard Stern
Howard Stern - courtesy link.
I'm a bit confused by this. I found it because I'm doing a routine cleanup of pages I'm finding via "Random work", and it's a creator page- but a lot of the examples seem to be about the show itself, and while it does say "Stern and his creations" before the examples the examples seem to be specifically about the one show... or they're troping RL people.
openIn-Universe or Not?
Is Awesome McCoolname an in-universe trope or not? I find it too subjective even compared to Unfortunate Names. I found this clean-up thread
from 2014 that suggests it's in-universe, but the clean-up project went nowhere and the page itself doesn't mention it being in-universe.
openDeleting the Pantheonic Voice Actor Database English Voice Actors
I thought it will be better to ask this since I don't think I'll get any responses to it's discussion page or in the cut list request I made. I decided to split it into two pages with the usual lettering. I did made the request in the cut list, but I don't know if I'll get any responses, which is why I also asked here. I decided to do this because the page is too long and although there are some actors that are too low-profile with only one role given in the databse and might not be expecting any additions anytime soon (which means I could delete those with one roles), there is a chance for them to get new added ones in the database if there is a new addition in the Pantheon, which is why I think it's best to split it to two pages. Also, I already made the two pages without thinking of making a sandbox for it because I wasn't informed that you need to ask the Cut List for it and I made the split pages before being informed by the current page itself that you need to inform the Cut List to actually delete it.
Edited by louisent31openHow to handle foreign-only spoilers?
Hayate the Combat Butler is completed in Japan, but in English it's only up to volume 33. Because of this, there's a large amount of content that is currently unavailable to an English reader.
My questions are:
- If I see an example referencing a later volume, should I remove it?
- If I organized a cleanup effort for the above, how would I avoid spoiling it for myself?
openUnintentionally Unsympathetic Live Action TV
Would Unintentionally Unsympathetic apply to an entire populace? The trope is being used to defend a character's choice to mass slaughter its civilian population, owing to the crappy acts some of its citizens have pulled. The example itself is on the YMMV page
as the last bullet point under Unintentionally Unsympathetic. There is currently a discussion going on here
and it seems to be at a stand-still.
openNeed advice on an index
Not Used to Freedom was launched recently, but it's not indexed. In the TLP thread
, the OP didn't address the matter, so I can't add it to the approved index(es) myself.
Thoughts? Or index suggestions?
openRevert request Western Animation
Requesting a revert for Mao Mao: Heroes of Pure Heart. Powe Respect outright removed a few commented out examples with no reason, and I can't add them back myself at the moment.
Edited by Crossover-EnthusiastopenMutually exclusive tropes Film
The MCU: Spider-Man page features both Adaptational Early Appearance and Adaptational Late Appearance. I think that having two tropes with diametrically opposite meanings might confuse readers but troper Anicomicgeek disagrees. Instead of starting an Edit War, I thought of bringing the discussion here and show you what's happening.
- Adaptational Early Appearance: His relationship with Tony Stark. In the comics, Peter was more-or-less self-taught and figured things out his own way, but eventually gained Tony Stark as a mentor when he took a job at his company, but here, Tony begins mentoring Peter when he's still new to things. Notably, Tony gave Peter the job in the comics as a cover because Peter had moved in with the Avengers alongside his wife, Mary Jane Watson, and they needed to excuse why the Parkers were living there. This Peter is still too young to get married and is still living with Aunt May. While Tony Stark was actually introduced in the comics after Peter Parker, Stark can be seen as a stand-in for Reed Richards, who Parker originally looked up to.
- Adaptational Late Appearance: Despite the Adaptational Early Appearance with his relationship with Tony, Peter himself is this, as this Peter lived in a world where the Avengers existed for years before he became Spider-Man and idolized Iron Man. His comic counterpart actually predates Tony becoming Iron Man and by extension the founding of the Avengers themselves.
As you can see, both tropes inform about different points about Spider-Man's history, but I don't think it's a good idea to feature them both at the same time. What do you think?
openA Prequel Manga Set in Same Universe
So I made the page for Jujutsu Kaisen and it has a prequel called Tokyo Metropolitan Magic Technical School and the manga itself (the Metropolitan one) consists of 4-5 chapters and given its a prequel of Jujutsu, it set as the same universe with that.
Now here's a question: Shall I merge both Tokyo Metropolitan School example altogether with Jujutsu Kaisen or create separate folder/border altogether in the same page?
openHelp with a TLP Draft
I'm not sure if this is the appropriate place for this, but my other ideas, the "Is This An Example?" and "Improving work and creator page descriptions" threads, didn't seem appropriate either since this is for help with a trope that does not actually exist yet.
Anywho, I'm working on a TLP draft and I think an extra/outside opinion might be needed to settle a detail for it. The TLP is tentatively titled "Incapable of Disobeying
", and the premise is living creatures under a rule or set of rules that they are, as the name suggests, incapable of disobeying even if they wanted to. With this in mind, for the laconic I wrote "When living creatures are Three Laws-Compliant", as the way robots are influenced by the Three-Laws of Robotics struck me as the clearest and quickest comparison to what was going on.
There's since been some back and forth between myself and another troper, Unsung, about whether Morality Chip would be a better comparison trope than Three Laws-Compliant. I don't personally agree, and honestly feel this back-and-forth is derailing the example collection. At the same time, I'm not so wedded to the idea that I'm against changing it if there's a consensus, which right now there isn't.
So I'd like to request an outside/neutral opinion on whether Morality Chip or Three Laws-Compliant is a better comparison trope to get the idea of Incapable of Disobeying across.
Thank you in advance.
openShould I cut this
So a Troper named CountDorku on the Distinction Without a Difference page * "A common pattern among far-right Youtube channels is to make a big deal out of the tiny differences between the specific far-right subset said channel belongs to and other groups of far-right Youtube channels. The difference between a racist authoritarian calling himself a "race realist", a racist authoritarian calling himself a "classical liberal", and a racist authoritarian who openly identifies as a neo-Nazi can cause massive fights within the far-right community, even as the very similar political goals and talking points mean they all dissolve into a bigoted blur from the perspective of anyone further left than Joseph McCarthy." I am considering cutting and this because it doesn't seem like an example (seems more fitting for We ARE Struggling Together.) and Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement but I want a second opinion to avoid an edit war.
Edited by EmberfistopenFranchise cut?
The Franchise page for the Tsukipro franchise was cut, and the reason given is that the franchise has to be in three or more media for it to count, but it is in three or more media. There are drama CDs and music (the original), anime, stage plays, video games, and a live action movie. They aren't adaptations, but rather, all different parts of the same story. Is that why?
Edit: So there's now Tsukiuta, Tsukipro, Tsukiuta, and Tsukino Paradise. I should create pages for Vazzrock and Tsukipro (for SQS, Ivesta, and everything else that isn't Tsukiuta). I think it's probably best to make Tsukipro and have Tsukiuta redirect to that. And Tsukipro should also redirect to Tsukipro. Tsukiuta etc. should also redirect to the Music pages, if we're going with "Music" as the original medium. (Is it right to have story tropes on a music page? Should there be a separate page for tropes about the music itself?) How do these redirects get done?
Edited by lavendermintroseopenEsoteric Happy Ending Use
The YMMV page
for The Walking Dead: Season Four lists Esoteric Happy Ending under this example:
- Esoteric Happy Ending: Despite a seemingly happy ending for Clementine's story, Fridge Horror is in effect when you considered that her group lack strong members capable of defending the group and unless she finds a prosthetic leg, Clementine will not have so much luck the next time walkers or raiders attack the school.
Thing is, the final episode acknowledges these issues. Clementine herself point-blank says that if she ever has to run again, then her missing leg will be a problem.
Which leads me to ask, can Esoteric Happy Ending be listed even when the work itself acknowledges that said happy ending has its caveats?
Edited by iamconstantineopenWork has trope from a fanwork on the original work page Videogame
On the page for Baldi's Basics in Education and Learning, the very first trope, Abusive Parents, is from a fangame rather than the game itself. I understand if whoever added it can't think of enough tropes from the fangame to give it its own page, but this feels wrong. What should we do?

On WMG.Cuphead, just today, user Myrmidon removed a WMG written by another user, with the edit reason being simply "No." That's... pretty strange. Kind of a red flag, if I didn't know better.
I was going to add it back myself, but I'm not really experienced with this kind of situation, and I don't wanna start an edit war or anything, so that's why I'm asking here.
Edited by DrNoPuma