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openImage changed without discussion.
CH4S changed the image on Geek Physiques despite there being a comment to not change the image without creating an IP thread first. Already made an IP thread to decide what to do about the image itself. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1512775677026209700&page=1#1
openVery poor grammar from an editor
jokevv
kinda has really poor grammar and etc. While I believe their edits are done in good faith, alot of them really fail basic writing rules. Improper use of punctuation marks and spelling errors such as using "munch" instead of "much" are some of their mistakes. It's so bad in one place that I made an inquiry in Is this an example?
partially because some if not all the entries they made were really hard to decipher.
Here's part of what I'm talking about which includes one of their most recent edits:
- Alternate Character Interpretation: What does Zeldris plan to do as Demon king? He has so far been the only one to describe the demon clan as a race of outcasts and those despised by the other clans and accepting of other outcasts. He was in willing lovenote Given her powers and how ruthless and evil Meliodas was described back then. It seem incredible unlikely he was in a state to fall in love with Elizabeth without use of her magic to sway his heart with a member of a race below his own, let alone his status as prince. Does Zeldris for all his villainy see kingship the same way that King does? He cared for how his men were slowly being killed off (though it could be because of pride), he opposes Meliodas as king for the implication of he was a traitor more then it seems because he covets the throne and the fact he choose to seal the vampires brings up another question. Why seal them all when he could have just wiped out all the other vampire's except Gelda, but he choose to seal them all. Meliodas fought and killed his comrades for his love despite supposedly being more moral by that point. Zeldris came up with a compromise to fulfill his duty and kept the one he loved alive something Meliodas did not do. These seem to point towards Zeldris as more inline with Meliodas ideal of a good king embodied by King then Meliodas himself.
- Chapter 247 give even more credit to this interpretations by showcasing Zeldris outrage toward estarossa comment of killing the other demon's for their commandment's despite it being unlikely to get them any other given their loyalty to the demon king and how his desire to become king is for a single purpose. Yet he still showed anger to kill other member's of his race because their loyalty get's in the way of his goals. Something Meliodas back to his ten commandment day's did not show or even emote when the idea was brought up.
- The demons themselves bring this up. While the demon are portrayed as vicious and have no issue taking innocent lives. The question of whether they are like this by nature and the goddess opposed them justifiably despite not being munch better or devolved into the beasts the demons are stereotyped by the other clans as thanks to having to fighting for their very existence from all other races who despise them for who they are. The fact that there was a truce between the goddess and demon which the goddess broke at the first sign of disadvantage and Zeldris description of the clan hints towards the latter interpretation but it's very munch still vague.
- The Goddesses: Are they a race of Arrogant Jerkass knight templars who are truly no better then the Demon Clan and who's bigotry keeps the demons from reconciling with the other clans and causing endless war and death on all sides thanks to their pride. Or a race of Jerkass Has a Point where while terrible, the demons are a threat to all life and so powerful all the clans united is required to defeat them.
It's really hard to decipher what they're trying to say in some parts and ascertain if what they added are really examples because of the horrible grammar.
openminor edit war and questionable edit on YMMV OOT Videogame
garthvader on YMMV.The Legend Of Zelda Ocarina Of Time removed the Water Temple from a Base Breaker entry,citing that "You see nobody dislikes the water temple because it's *hard*, the dislike it because you're constantly farting around in the menu". I put it back as the WT has become shorthand for 'hard Zelda dungeon', the master quest version and remakes made it easier because of its notorious difficulty. and the level designer even apologized for how hard it was, and the BB entry cited positive thoughts on the level as well, with some really loving it.
They re-removed it, saying " No, it's NOT notorious for being difficult, it's notorious for the fact that every time you mess up you have to repeat a sequence of annoying steps and menu transitions. Lying about why people don't like it makes a poor example. As an addition, the level designer did not apologise for how hard it was, quote: "I am most sorry that it was not easy for you to put on and take off the heavy boots, that all the time you had to visit the inventory. I am very sorry about that. I should have made it much easier to switch to the heavy boots," Aonuma said."
However, right before that Aonuma said "“The Water Temple in the Ocarina of Time was notorious for being very tough to conquer," implying he was being sarcastic about the boots, and even if not he does say the temple itself is difficult. I found the edit reasons a bit rude as well ^^;
But even more than they they added this to the YMMV page, which seems questionable. "**Naming Link as "Hitler" also results in a, um, interesting new interpretation of the story."
Edited by lalalei2001openJeff Goldblum: Is He Adam Westing? Film
Jeff Goldblum (wonderful sweet man and the love of my internet life) has, mostly of late, been known to play characters that are basically just him being his Goldblum-iest self (ex. The Grandmaster in Thor: Ragnarok) So my question is whether this is a case of Adam Westing or Type-Casting or some other trope that I am forgetting?
resolved Can I make new Image Picking thread on same topic with old one in morgue?
On Lethal Joke Item again. There used to be one thread, but it got locked and the trope itself got TRS treatment. Now that's done and it's clear that the image, despite being picked by IP, doesn't illustrate the trope (and possibly misuse, hard to tell since the entries of the image source are ZCE).
Edited by KuruniopenPokemon Wham Episodes. Anime
From Wham Episode.Anime, I question the following from Pokémon.
- EP-015 "Battle Aboard the St. Anne". Giovanni appears for the first time and orders Team Rocket to attack the St. Anne, Ash trades his Butterfree for a Raticate (but later trades it back) and at the end the ship sinks with the group on board.
- EP-134 "Charizard's Burning Ambitions". Ash leaves Charizard, one of the anime's most loved Pokemon on the Charricific Valley.
- AG-044 "The Princess and the Togepi" and AG-045 "A Togepi Mirage". Misty comes back with new clothes, is revealed to own a Gyarados (depends if you are watching Chronicles on their Japanese air date), her Togepi evolves, and it's then released to take care of the Togepi paradise.
- AG-132 "The Scheme Team". The group separates and Ash comes back to Kanto. Ash encounters Agatha, who is the Viridian Gym Leader here and battles her. Then finds out about the battle Frontier and decides to challenge it. Then he finds Misty and an Azurill in his house, and Max also arrives there.
- DP-062 "Tanks For The Memories". Dawn gets depressed and stops believing in herself. Couple that with season-named sisters, one of them falling for Brock and Ash crossdressing as a maid, and you get an unforgettable episode.
- DP-189 "The Semi-Final Frontier". One of the most influential episodes within the fandom. Ash gets to the Sinnoh League semifinals, where he finds a strong trainer named Tobias. After many losses Ash gets to beat his Darkrai, but Tobias is then revelated to own a Latios who ends up at a tie with Ash's Pikachu, leaving Ash with no Pokémon left and thus eliminated from the League. Additionally, when the episode finished airing on Japan, Ash's return as the protagonist in the Best Wishes series was announced, complete with his controversial eye style change.
- BW-001 "In the Shadow of Zekrom". Another influential episode, but this time thanks to the rather trivial fact that Ash is still 10 years old. Additionaly, the battle between Pikachu and Snivy is also controversial and people still talk (or complain) about it today.
- BW-018 "Sewaddle and Burgh in Pinwheel Forest!" Ash captures Sewaddle, breaking the format of Ash capturing only six Pokemon per Region. Ash would go on to catch nine Unova Pokémon.
- BW-023 "Battling For The Love of Bug-Types!". The previous two episodes (that featured Team Plasma vs Team Rocket) were banned, so there were a lot of questions unanswered, and this episode at least provided the answer to one of them: Team Rocket lost. As a result of that, Team Rocket came back to their usual selves dressed in white, and acted a bit funny. Additionaly, Ash's Sewaddle evolves, James caughts a Yamask and Ash gets his third Unova badge.
- BW-096 "Meloetta and the Undersea Temple!" and BW-097 "Unova's Survival Crisis". Team Rocket gets to control Meloetta, Tornadus, Thundurus and Landorus, Ash faces Giovanni for the first time, albeit briefly, Giovanni gets mad for power but loses in the end, causing Team Rocket to be withdrawn from Unova.
- XY-060 "A Showcase Debut". Serena participates on her first Pokemon Showcase, but loses in the Theme Performance round. Early the next morning, Serena goes to a dock and cries for her failure, but after being reconfortated by her Pokemon, she proceeds to cut her hair and change her style permanently. Additionaly, a mysterious woman and a former performer named Palermo is introduced.
- XY-062 "The Future Is Now, Thanks to Determination!" Clemont's Luxio evolves, but more importantly, Clemont decides to leave the group temporarily in order to prepare his battle with Ash. This is the first instance of a travel companion leaving the group in the middle of a series, though Clemont comes back after said battle.
- XY-064 "Battling with Elegance and a Big Smile!" The writers really were on a good run here. Serena meets her idol Aria (disguised as Ariana) and gets to battle her, with her Fennekin evolving into Braixen in the process. Also, Ash's rival Sawyer gets an Early-Bird Cameo.
- SM-021 "One Journey Ends, Another Begins..." The episode begins with the recurring Litten panicking and worried because the elderly Stoutland that took it in hasn't been in good health. Ash and Nurse Joy do what they can, but it isn't injured or sick. Stoutland dies of old age.
Any objections/thoughts?
open What to do about a rude edit reason?
I was casually browsing through the site when I came upon a rather rude edit reason left by someone. The edit reason wasn't directed at me personally or an edit that I made, but it was still needlessly vicious, and it seemed like something I should report. I noticed that you can click the "Send a message" button to send users an automatic message, and that "rudeness" is one of the issues that can be reported. However, I'm not really comfortable sending the rude user in question a PM myself (and having him/her see that I sent it) when it wasn't an issue that I was directly involved in.
So, my question is, is there another way to report rude edit reasons? I'm asking partly in regards to the rudeness I saw just now, but also for future reference in knowing what to do if I come across something like this again.
openTroper editing with questionable phrasing.
Troper Euodiachloris made some entrees to the Dark Souls character page for the Dark Souls: Main Characters and Lords and the overall phrasing seems really poor to me. For example;
- Determinator: Kaathe keeps trying to end the Age of Fire, no matter how many poor saps get corrupted in the meantime. If he'd been less bull-headed in trying full-on people-experiments in closely-related places, he might have been able to step back and ask himself a little more about what connected all the failures. Instead of victim-blaming people, he might have found clues to look a little more at the flipping seal in the actual Ringed flipping City and wasted a whole lot less of everybody's time on religious frippery and lies.
This seems to be filled with a lot of natter plus the overall entree really feels off.
openTrouble understanding Administrivia Create New Redirects Western Animation
I recently made a page for Hey Arnold! The Movie and I'm trying to figure out how to make a Character page for it that redirects to the main characters page. I read the instruction on creating redirects, but they are a bit confusing to me and I want to confirm the process before I end up messing something up as I've never done this before. When I edit "Characters.Hey Arnold The Movie" do I just type in "[[redirect:Characters.Hey Arnold]]" and boom.?
Figured someone else might do it, but I have no idea when that might be, so I figured I'd try and do it myself.
Edited by thecarolinabull01openThe Emoji Movie page problems Western Animation
The main Emoji Movie page has a lot of weird, shoehorned examples, as does the YMMV page, mainly about how Smiler was right and/or the movie broke its own aesops. Most of the pertinent entries were written by the same troper, MeaJae97.
Examples:
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- If Jailbreak is meant to be a strong independent minded female role model, then why does she learn to fit in with the expectations of society? It seems to suggest that you can only save the day by following tradition. And why does the movie treat her as being selfish for rejecting Gene's fairy-tale views of romance?
- If the movie was supposed to mock the excessive use of technology, then this was sure as hell broken when sending a text ultimately saves the day. Also, none of the human characters learn the drawbacks of their obsession with technology.
- Hi-5 has to learn to stop being a narcissistic jerk and yet he still yearns for popularity through the entire movie. After he says he learned his lesson, he shouts about how "they love us" without any humility. Lesson learned.
- For a movie where women "have limitless potential"
there don't seem to be any interestingly written female characters. The generic order obsessed villain, the generic princess, the generic tough girl, and the generic love interest. Note that the only female character of significance other than the villain fits three out of those four characters.
- Wisecrack Edition made the case that
the lesson of "you should reject societal expectations and express who you truly wish to be" couldn't escape unbroken. Sure, Smiler was defeated and the Emojis learn that it's perfectly fine to express more than one emotion. However, there is still the fact that they are stuck with one function, to serve Alex. What a brilliant life. Emojis were invented for this very specific purpose, so Textopolis is a terrible metaphor. The movie constantly validates the idea that they should only peruse society's intended purpose for them. In Real Life, this can easily prevent people from being themselves.
- If Emojis wanted to become more than merely vessels of conveying ideas, then Alex could simply delete them as they would have outlived their usefulness. After all, Gene didn't stop the phone from being erased. It was Alex who prevented it because his crush was so Easily Impressed.
- Aspects of the caste system still remain intact as the unpopular Emojis remain in the Loser Lounge.
- Jailbreak learns to stop valuing freedom and reverts back to being a Princess.
- Gene quickly discards the idea of leaving the phone forever.
- Hi-5 never dumps his narcissistic ways."
"* Unwitting Instigator of Doom: If the villain had simply had her way, then the movie would be far shorter. And audiences would be better off as a result.
- Well-Intentioned Extremist: Smiler tries to delete Gene because she sees him as an existential threat to the safety of Textopolis."
openYMMV/StevenUniverse and N8han11
Yesterday, N8han 11 deleted this "To Be Fair" part of the "Steven's Dream" section of What An Idiot with no edit reason:
- To Be Fair: Garnet saw at least one possibility where Steven still went despite being told that Blue Diamond was there.
The YMMV page and it's history
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openQuestionable Spoilers, or How Much Detail Do These Examples Need?
Apologies in advance for the length of this post.
N8han11 and I need additional opinions to resolve a philosophical disagreement on example writing practices. I am trying to avoid spoilers, simplify for non-fans and write concisely in accordance with our example writing guidelines. N8han11 seems to think loading examples with tagged spoilers is the better practice, and even tried to put a spoiler tag in the work description.
N8han11 recently created the page, FanFic.Total Drama Avengeance Old Losers Vs New Losers. I do a good deal of cleanup work in the Total Drama Fan Works section because that space is an interest of mine, so I looked over the article and did some cleanup to remove excessive spoiler tagging. As part of this cleanup, I endeavored to write around the spoilers and improve conciseness by removing spoilered out details I thought weren’t needed to understand the examples. In the Edit Summary, I cited several elements of the Spoiler Policy to explain my revisions.
N8han11 promptly reverted most of my revisions, restoring their own texts (add-delete-add) with the unexplained claim that my revisions were somehow improper, and even restored a spoiler tagged pothole after I pointed out that such things are against policy. I didn’t want to be called on the carpet for edit warring if/when they were, so I invited them to discuss the matter via PM or on the article’s Discussion page. It took some prodding, but they eventually agreed to a PM discussion.
We eventually reached agreement on one of the problem tropes (Locked into Strangeness), but we have reached an impasse on others, most notably Split Personality.
After N8han’s reversion of my edits, the example reads:
- Split Personality: All five of Mike's canonical alternate personalities are here: Chester, Svetlana, Vito and Manitoba Smith all make apppearances [sic]. Mal also appears during the obstacle course race after Mike becomes incredibly angry out of fear that Zoey only likes him for his personalities and not for Mike himself.
Note the spoiler tagged pothole, which N8han11 still seems unwilling to do anything about.
My version, as subsequently revised during our discussion, is:
- Split Personality: As per canon, Mike has several alter egos covering a wide range of personality types. Each alter emerges in response to a different trigger, and the original "Mike" personality also returns in response to a trigger.
No spoiler tags required, which is what writing around spoilers is all about. I also suggested splitting the spoilery details and improperly tagged pothole off into a different trope example, to wit:
- Rage Breaking Point: When Mike comes to believe Zoey only likes him for his alter egos instead of for himself, he becomes so profoundly angry that an evil, previously unseen alter ego emerges.
N8han11 asserts that my text for Split Personality is too vague and that it’s bad practice to remove information for any reason. They didn’t respond to my Rage Breaking Point proposal at all before declaring an impasse.
Setting aside the questionable benefit of loading an example with details that are just going to be spoilered out, I contend the spoiler tag in Split Personality is a Self-Fulfilling Spoiler. Mike and his evil alter ego (named Mal) were the central focus of an entire canonical season; so if you know Total Drama and see a spoiler tag on a Split Personality example, you’re probably going to automatically assume it has something to do with Mal. If you don’t know Total Drama, you probably won’t care about the spoiler anyway.
Tropers, it’s in your hands now. We have agreed to resolve our dispute here.
Edited by GideoncrawleopenRWBY in Stuffed into the Fridge, Stuffed into the Fridge as a whole Western Animation
There seems to be some debating whether Pyrrha's death in RWBY counts as being Stuffed into the Fridge. I personally don't think it does, but to avoid the edit war I'm going to bring it here. As a side note this might also bring up problems with the trope page itself, considering it has seemingly contradicting definitions of the trope in the first few sentences; being first defined as having a character be left for a dead body to find, then more broadly defined as any time a character sees their loved one die. The former is a clearly defined trope with a history, the latter is awfully general to the point where a character that dies of old age in front of a loved one could arguably considered being Stuffed into the Fridge.
openWeird deletion for Kirby Star Allies Videogame
On the Kirby - Bosses and Villains page about Hyness, this was deleted
- Vile Villain, Saccharine Show: His abusiveness towards his own followers is bad enough, but wanting to see the entire universe destroyed by resurrecting a God of Evil? Yeah, the Kirby series being a generally happy, idealistic, and cute franchise full of Affably Evil characters, Tragic Villains with sympathetic backstories, and Generic Doomsday Villains makes him really stand out and hold the dubious honor of being the darkest most evil villain in the franchise itself, with none of the redeeming traits that flesh out most of the villains in the games.
Pretty sure the trope fits, but someone did a big revert edit that deleted most of the added tropes when there was no reason to. The name of the user is King Ghost.
May I add this back?
Edited by ReynTime250openSelf Demonstrating... isn't?
First-Person Smartass is written in... first and second person? There shouldn't be an audience to address in first-person narration, right?
openTrope misuse?
From Recap.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 8 E 4 Fake It Til You Make It:
- Chekhov's Skill: Inverted, as Fluttershy's masterful knitting ability from the comics appears to have suddenly deteriorated to the point where she can't even knit an elephant tea cozy properly.
This seems like a misuse unless it foreshadows a lack of skill in that area. Is that the case here? Would this be an example of a Continuity Snarl or Retcon (the show itself has made characters inept at what it previously showed them competent at, FYI)?
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught

I recently found some similarities between Dante Alighieri's The Divine Comedy, Charles Dickens's A Christmas Carol and Frank Capra's It's a Wonderful Life. All three stories have elements of:
My question is, does this type of story exist already? I think it has merit as a trope. The gist of it is that a protagonist who is past their youth is shown the consequences for their current behavior by a Spirit Guide - whether by going on a journey or through visions - and comes out of it in a better emotional, mental or spiritual state, whether because they've been enlightened, regained something they lost, shown the error of their ways or something else. Does this already exist?
Edited by SirHandel3