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openWham Line v. Wham Shot
Are the two tropes mutually exclusive? Wham Shot says it's a "purely visual version" of Wham Line, while Wham Line refers to the line of dialogue changing the scene all by itself.
But at TheOrderOfTheStick.Tropes V To Z, several bulletpoints of each trope are not only the exact same comics, but the same panels of the comic. I've seen it happen in other instances, too.
Should they be chopped and/or put in only one of the tropes?
openShould SpongeBob Squarepants: Battle for Bikini Bottom Rehydrated get its own page?
Self-explanatory really but, since THQ Nordic announced an HD remake for SpongeBob SquarePants: Battle for Bikini Bottom a few days ago, should it get its own page like with Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy and Spyro Reignited Trilogy? It's been confirmed that the remake will feature cut content from the original game and the addition of online multiplayer modes.
openProcedure to get unsourced trivia removed?
I found a trivia entry on a trivia page that I can't find a source for and I think is likely false. My question is, is there a procedure one can follow to get trivia entries removed? I'd remove it myself, but someone else added it and I don't want to start an edit war.
openLink to NSFW work
Our Centaurs Are Different has an example from a self-described NSFW game to which someone added a link. The former is fine, the latter isn't, right?
openI Might Have Accidentally an Edit War Videogame
A user did an edit on Characters.Dead By Daylight, changing a descriptor if Ash J Williams from "An alone wolf" to "a lone wolf". This happened once before with the person adding back noting that "an alone wolf" is deliberate as it's a quote/reference to the series.
I did likewise, putting the descriptor back, but realized after I might have become edit 4 in an edit war since there was already one "remove and put back" sequence.
I think this falls under correcting incorrect information, but to be on the safe side I PMed the user who did the removing (who since replied they'd forgotten that from the show), added a commented out note explaining it's deliberate to prevent future well intentioned correcting, and posting here to head off any issues I myself might have caused.
Edited by sgamer82open Balancing tropes
Here's something that's been confusing me for a while. Okay, so I don't know what's the best way to properly ask this, but I'll give it a shot: Is it true that Broken Ace should be used instead of The Ace, rather than in addition to? I'd ask the same thing about Jerk with a Heart of Gold instead of Jerkass, Genius Ditz instead of The Ditz, etc.
I'm pretty sure I've seen this question asked before, but I can't remember what the answer was. Does it really depend on the character? For example, the character page for Squidward from SpongeBob uses both the Jerkass and Jerk with a Heart of Gold tropes, which really confuses me because how kindhearted he is depends on the writer (he is by default a cynical, pessimistic, narcissistic grouch but has shown himself able to warm up to others and the title character on numerous occasions, but only if the plot demands it).
This is overall confusing and I can't seem to find a rule about this in administrivia pages whatsoever. :/
openEdit War Mistake
I've gotten myself into an Edit War with Bob Riddle over his inclusion of out-of-hat suggestions in DEATH BATTLE! Suggestions: Returning Combatants without even realizing it, and it's only just now that I've made a critical mistake. I'm becoming no different from Ichigo Montoya a few months prior by judging suggestions based on quality, and being rather hard-pressed about it too.
I take full responsibility for my actions.
Edited by DivineFlame100openRed Dead Redemption 2 Videogame
Should We Have This? Got myself a dumb question here, at the trivia section of Red Dead Redemption 2 there a line that says "Jossed: RDR and GTA don't take place in the same universe. In "The First Shall Be The Last" New York gets name-dropped in conversation, of which neither state nor city exist in GTA." without direct Word of God information out of pure speculation and might have contradict itself due to a stranger mission called geology for beginners
Edited by IndepthEtheropenA detail about the Comics Code...
The page for Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse has a recent edit about the Comics Code Authority, adding that among things that it wouldn't have authorized is "having a non-white hero protagonist".
Now, I don't know all the intricacies, and I don't doubt that would be against publishers' habits at the time the Code was applied, but I have serious doubts it was actually part of said Code itself. At least I don't find anything about it on the Wikipedia article
. I'd like some clarification about this.
openKingdom Live Action TV
I'm happy to create it myself (with some trepidation as a fairly newbie troper admittedly) but wanted to check first;
Is there a specific reason there's no page for Kingdom (the mma tv series?)
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
openDoes What An Idiot require the specific formatting?
I've often seen What An Idiot examples formatted in this way:
- First bullet point describing the situation.
- You'd expect: the obvious thing to do.
- Instead: what actually happens.
Is this format mandatory? All the examples on the What An Idiot subpages use it, but those on a work's YMMV page don't always do so. Should such examples be deleted or made to fit the format? Should the format be mentioned on the What An Idiot page itself (it's not there currently)?
openCould Monsters be considered a trope?
Used literally, the word "Monster" is an umbrella term that refers to dangerous fictional creatures or entities that are distinct from (physiologically normal) humans or animals, especially ones that are malevolent or that prey on humans. I feel like the concept of Monsters is a trope in itself (and an important one) but I wanted to see what other people think.
openNo Title Literature
I just came across the page for the book Liar and it is absolutly covered in whitespaced spoiler tags. I've moved all the tags that were around the trope names onto around the text itself, but it is still looking far too tag heavy. I'm not familiar with this work myself, and I understand it has a sizeable twist halfway through, which the author has asked readers not to spoil, so I would be grateful if anyone has an idea on how to rewrite this to work with our spoiler policy. Or maybe we should just declare it spoilers off, and put a warning label at the top?
Anyone got any ideas, please?
openRegarding novelizations Film
Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but if a novelization of a film explains something in detail that went missing, was only implied in the film or something else entirely, should that be added to the film page itself in some way?
openRude edit reason on Law & Order: Criminal Intent
Makarovak 47 recently made an inappropriate comment while editing some content on the Criminal Intent page. I don't like conversation on the main page myself, but the last sentence told the offending contributor to "go to a fucking forum". I had sent them a message asking them not to do it again, but never got a response. It would not bother me so much if a) comments made on the edit reason weren't permanent, b) CI rarely (if ever) attracts such a hostile response and c) this weren't so out of character from what I've seen from them on here.
open "Self demonstrating" folder titles
Wild Teen Party has folder titles that appear to try to be self-demonstrating, even though the page is in Main and the rest of it is not written self-demonstratingly. Kosher or not? It doesn't add anything to the page, in any case...
openWhat... is MemeticBadass/ChuckNorris?
MemeticBadass.Chuck Norris seems to be... I don't know?
I thought it was maybe a listing of people/characters who had sufficient Memetic Badass-ness to have their own lists akin to Chuck Norris Facts, but even that doesn't seem to be the case. It just sort of seems like a rambling self-demonstrating page?
openError in Trope Entry - Passengers (2016) - Unsure how to proceed.
Hi, all. I was browsing through the entry for the film Passengers (2016) and saw a factual mistake:
As written: Jim stands in a tube through which the contents of a malfunctioning fusion reactor are being vented, almost frying his spacesuit, but he doesn't appear to suffer from radiation poisoning, just as Aurora stands in the control room of said reactor (the shielded window of which is cracking) and she doesn't get radiation poisoning either.
The problem is that a fusion reactor doesn't produce ionizing radiation, at least not in any appreciable form. It does produce neutron radiation, but "radiation poisoning" - itself an incorrect term - refers to damage caused by alpha, beta, and gamma radiation. So the entry is factually incorrect as it currently stands. It would be correct, however, to point out that sitting in what amounts to a neutron shotgun doesn't seem to wreck Jim's day, either, and that little locker door is unlikely to have prevented his demise. (In the interests of full disclosure, I could go into all the science involved, but in the interests of brevity, I'll just say for now that the only ionizing radiation involved is induced radioactivity through neutron bombardment, but that has nothing to do with the plasma, only the reactor vessel and only over time.) And it's also fair to point out the thermal effect of standing in a jet of plasma, which "frying in his spacesuit" is a pretty apt description. Thus, the issue is only with the "radiation poisoning" part.
So, I don't want to just delete the entry because it's (as far as I know) not permitted to do so, and it's also not exactly polite, but correcting it essentially means erasing it anyway and replacing it with the correct information. So I thought it best to check with the folks who have been here longer and better know the operation of the wiki. Guidance is deeply appreciated.
Edited by ScifiwriterguyopenAgenda-based non-editor.
AndyYagami
is a... weird case. 7 edits to his name in 3 years of troping, so I'll go through each of them:
- Deleting an example of WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical because he thinks mentioning white supremacy is on the rise is "asking for a fight".
- Benign correction on gun terminology
.
- Changing the wording to remove hints of toxic masculinity
, though I do think it was poorly worded in the first place. In a vacuum I'd think this is fine.
- Deleting a comment on "enforced heterosexuality
. To be frank, I have no idea what the deleted passage was about.
- Natter, but not the issue
.
- Natter, but not really relevant
.
- Odd clarification
.
So yeah. What few edits he's made (the most recent was in 2017) seem to primarily be on politically-charged subject.
The real issue is more his Discussion posts
. Because they're... something. He's a prolific discusser, apparently. And he tends to get into fights. Like, a lot.
- Fight here
with a guy who fundamentally agrees with him.
- Supporting a "black people are the real racists
narrative.
- Defending himself with a really weak argument (again, pushing a "black people are the real racists" narrative
, and hey, in the process absolutely picking a fight.
- Effectively denying racism is a thing
.
- Not a fight because no one responded
, but a "isn't it weird that people only complain about the whitewashing Race Lift and not the rest?" post.
Like, it might not be an issue because he mostly keeps it confined to discussion pages, but his views are clearly pretty toxic and he seems to enjoy stirring up the pot.
Edited by Larkmarn

I was wondering: When does an antagonist qualify for Alas poor villain? Does It need to be invoked by someone in the series itself or it:when's simply When the viewers pity them? It's because the full metal alchemist manga/ Brotherhood homunculi has gotten a ton that, no offense feel more like whitelisting Than Alas, Poor Villain
Edited by RAHDRON