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open Massive Shoehorn and Complain On Esoteric Happy Ending.
- Gravity Falls ends with Dipper and Mabel reconciling and mended their rift from the previous events. However, the events where Mabel give the Rift to Blendin which directly caused the apocalypse in the first place and the reason she did it was never addressed, giving the impression that Mabel never really learned anything from her selfishness or her All Take and No Give relationship with her brother, especially since Dipper ended up having to sacrifice his apprenticeship with Ford just to get her out of Mableland. As a result, the future between the two is highly uncertain and they could even end up having a massive falling out much like Stan and Ford as a result of Mabel's selfishness.
I think this isnt kosher...or is it? I hope to get some consensus here.
openIndexing Question Web Original
Where should one index the character page of a Journal Roleplay? I've seen some people put them on Characters.Play By Post Games, but since according the descriptions Play-by-Post Games and Journal Roleplays are different enough to warrant different tropes and indexes is that a good solution? I'd consider making a separate index page myself, but I don't know how to do so/if it would have to go through the Trope Launch Pad.
openSelf-added noncanon awesome?
Steven Universe Blackthorned was added to Awesome.Steven Universe Non Canon by who I believe to be the author of the fic. While the premise does sound interesting, is it against the rules to add your own work to a noncanon awesome page?
Edited by Crossover-EnthusiastopenTalking to Himself
Talking To Himself (especially its subpage for Live Action Film) seem to have a lot of examples that are actually live actors. I would just remove them, but there's so many I wondered if there are subtle distinctions that mean they don't qualify for Loads and Loads of Roles. Is it because the actors don't actually appear on camera at the same time?
openDeleting Pages
How do you delete a page? I just made a new trope page for a dinosaur media entry, but the authors of the work the page described felt it didn't deserve a page and I find myself inclined to agree with them.
openchickenpie999 Film
chickenpie999
has deleted several examples
from YMMV.Return Of The Jedi without providing any edit reasons.
They've also changed an example from this:
To this:
openGeneral question about symbolism tropes
I'm having a bit of difficulty editing and helping with improving some symbolism-related tropes, since they do seem to be a bit open to interpretation. So, I have a question about the guidelines: for symbolism tropes, are examples drawn from fan-made analysis and/or interpretations acceptable as examples, or would they need to be something more concretely stated (either within the work itself or by an author in a supplementary resource, such as an interview)?
Edited by ClockworkUniversesopenNo title
A couple days ago, I mentioned these two examples from Crying Wolf on the Trump and ROCEJ
thread, but no one responded. Do you think these examples should be removed?
- According to commentators such as Robby Scave of reason.com
and Bill Maher
, this trope contributed to Donald Trump's election in 2016. By characterizing past Republican candidates such as Bush, McCain, and Romney as racists supported by racists and otherwise undesirable people, the left (including Maher himself), undermined their own credibility when an actually-racist candidate ran for office.
- When it was revealed that key members of Trump's campaign team had links to Russia, some people on the left dismissed these claims as Red Scare-style paranoia, even calling belief that Russia interfered in the 2016 election "neo-McCarthyism," remembering anti-Russian and anti-communist hysteria in the '50s. Then FBI Director James Comey did confirm that the FBI was investigating Russian interference in the election in a hearing before Congress.
open Never a Self-Made Woman Cleanup
Never a Self-Made Woman needs a lot of cleanup in the examples. Many of the entries are just "this woman received some help from a man, therefore she have no agency in involving herself with the plot" when the trope description specifies that the man has to be more important than they are. It's not supposed to be that any work that lacks a Self-Made Woman is guilty of this trope. Especially in works where lineage and pedigree are important aspects of backstories regardless of gender.
The very first example (Shizuka Jounouchi) seems valid enough, but already the second example is pushing it. The Hellsing entry seems to reflect a totally different kind of trope about discrimination against women. The specific examples given for Naruto fit, but that same entry acknowledges they're not the norm which loops back to making itself questionable. Fullmetal Alchemist plays with the trope so much it screams of Square Peg Round Trope. The Pet Shop Of Horrors is an unambiguous subversion so it fits this trope. Jackals is an inversion/aversion when the trope description states that such examples should not be here.
And on and on and on. Perhaps the trope description needs to be made more specific in the first place?
Edited by AlleyOopopenTwo Work Pages in Need of Help
I was hoping for some advice or a point in the right direction in dealing with a couple work pages that need some work done.
The first is one I brought up a while back
, Literature.Rai Kirah . It's a work without a description, only a list of when the books of the trilogy were released. I PM'd the one who made the page but the only response to anything was a post in the discussion page (which, I admit, I was slow responding to) wondering about ZCE's I'd uncommented. It's been two weeks since my reply, where I mentioned the lack of description, and nothing. Where can I go to get some help for getting a description done?
The second work of Manga.The Voynich Hotel. Its description and tropes read like a brochure for the titular hotel. That's bad enough but there's nothing like that in the series (I've read about the first half) so they can't even use Self-Demonstrating as an excuse. Is this worth a short term project to help repair or is there somewhere else I should go? Not sure if I alone can get that fixed on a timely manner.
Thanks in advance.
Edit: I found the Improving work and creator page descriptions thread so I'll likely get my help from there.
Edited by sgamer82openWeDidntStartTheFuhrer Film
I have recently seen a film set in a historical war (which is not World War II), where the main character is sure that the whole conflict was caused by a supernatural influence over humanity, and it turns out that no, the war was something that humanity started all by itself, with no supernatural forces at work. I thought about We Didn't Start the Führer, but that trope clarifies that it is specifically for Hitler and WWII. Is there some parent trope, then? Or should I use it anyway, taking into account that Tropes are flexible? If it is the second, shouldn't we rewrite the trope a bit, to clarify that WWII is simply a major location of this trope, but not the exclusive one?
Note: The very question I'm making may give a spoiler about the plot of the film, so the best way I could thought about to avoid that was to speak in general terms, without mentioning the film (and, just in case, not even the actual war). If someone else here does realize the film that made me ask this question, please do not mention it, for the sake of those who did not saw it.
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openPoe Dameron -- the troper
The troper Poe Dameron (edit histroy
) has serious issues with making links. They never, really never, use a namespace for works; often have trouble with braces or square brackets, sometimes using both (e.g. {[Wiki Word Wiki word}]); and also types trope names out as [[TropeName Trope Name]] for some reason; there's examples of not using wiki words (e.g. typing {{lostprophets}}. Also made the page Romantic Pseudo Fantasy, which is the genre of Paranormal Romance, but complaining about it. They add Word Cruft to descriptions, and some of their edits also show taking perfectly valid examples and then adding natter to them, often defying the Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgement including controversy and bias (e.g. changing "known for his extremely violent subject matter" to "extremely violent subject matter, constant [[ClusterFBomb Cluster F Bombs]] and NWordPriveleges, rampant sexism and homophobia ". There's a few cases of spoilering out entire examples and improper example indentation (only a few, but it is every instance in which they try to add a sub-bullet). They appear to have done major unapproved overhaul on the Emo Music page — like major overhaul of description and the list of bands without so much as an edit comment, including sometimes making things less informative (i.e. changing "in a diverse range of genres, from electronica to folk." to "in, well, everything") and some very not-neutral even rude/critical parts like "When people who don't like emo despite minimal exposure to the genre say that it's all about teenage self-absorption, whining about one's parents/girlfriend/life, they're actually referring to emo-pop", and also made edits to Screamo Music and Emo that have a pro-Emo bias (the remarkable thing is that there are some examples on this page of fixing wiki words and namespaces, and some examples of the opposite, and sometimes both in the same edit). They added "* Aiden's entire discography is this to AFI's, but "I Set My Friends on Fire" and "The Despair Factor" deserves a special mention." to Music.Suspiciously Similar Song, which is very close to bashing the guy. The edits to the Ian McShane page removed a ton of info from the discussion, leaving it as little more than I remember this guy from these things, nobody needs to know any more than that, and added this flame-y not-example (that seems to be bashing fans) "* ClassicallyTrainedExtra: Hates ''GameOfThrones'' and its fans. For some inexplicable reason, most of the fandom doesn't mind at all." (since corrected). Changed some examples
on YMMV.Batman V Superman Dawn Of Justice to criticize(?) Ben Affleck. Changed the Absolute Cleavage example on Jennifer Lawrence from "Her outfits at public events tend to lean toward this" to "Jen is famous for her big breasts", and made a point of talking about how "huge" they are on Suppressed Mammaries, on a related note they made improper edits to Serena that appeared dubious and were literally just to add the phrase "Troubled Production" three times, and then added a write-up of the film on TroubledProduction.Film M To Z that bashes it hard (I've removed all of this). They added Emo Pop to the description of Simple Plan (pretty sure they're a bit punk rock, mostly rock), and supported this with a rude "Many people who do not listen to much Emo Music often judge the entire genre because of Simple Plan" added to the band YMMV page, toeing the line between YMMV and flat out rudeness towards the band, but outright offensive to the "people who don't listen to much emo music" that they're writing about. Made a point of Saoirse Ronan "constantly trying to make a name for herself outside of Ireland, but is unsuccessful", which is bashing and factually false (has been edited). They inexplicably deleted a bunch of Bill Nighy's filmography, and also changed the "best known for" part of the description to be less informative on what he's best known for. Their edits to Toplessness from the Back, first is adding to a Jennifer Lawrence ZCE, but adding lecherous stuff without any context, and then this "* Scottish film ''Film/NotAnotherHappyEnding'' takes this a step further. We get a tracking shot of KarenGillan's lovely, bare booty as she runs down a hallway nude. ** The same sort of thing also occurs in the DirectToVideo film ''Some Kind of Beautiful'', where the camera follows SalmaHayek's bare booty as she runs outside and jumps into a pool." which is the worst kind of incorrect example indentation and sounds so wrong. They've made some minor and what looks like agenda-based pro-Hunger Games edits on John Carter. One edit that just from the text that was already there is most definitely opinion-based and an unnecessary addition is taking this "Finally, it should be noted that, as it clearly touches upon HIGHLY sensitive issues, this film has an ''intense'' LoveItOrHateIt vibe about it." and adding "depending on your theological views and tolerance for propaganda", which is possibly a well I hate it and you should too bias (the term "tolerance" and accusing it of being propaganda) and definitely really not needed (so much better without it, so I removed it). Made natter-y and bias edits to Crunk, which were removed shortly afterwards with the note that they were natter and not neutral
. Deleted a bunch of genres from Twenty One Pilots (famously have done a bit of everything) so that it reads as if they're solidly just slightly different styles of punk rock and definitely emo. Rewrote Jared Leto to be more about (and more pro-) Thirty Seconds to Mars than his acting. Changed Ryan Reynolds' most famous role from Van Wilder to Deadpool, which might be OK, if they'd done the rest of the work and changed the rest of the paragraph to not go into describing VW (accidentally attributing it all to Deadpool) and mentioning Deadpool later, it was a simple word replacement (since changed back, has been rephrased several times to be more accurate). Made edits to Michelle Gomez that made it seem like she hadn't done anything but Doctor Who (since tidied). There's also abundant Zero Context Example adding.
I'd send message notifiers, but only a few of their edits don't send up red flags looking through them, so it seems like too much of a habit. Some of their edits are innocuous, but most are clearly breaking many rules of the wiki — doesn't seem like a vandal, just someone who doesn't know how to use the wiki, what the keeping it cool and clean rules are, or what's actually useful/good (see their rewriting, adding, and removing that actively makes examples and descriptions worse).
Unrelated to it, their edit history also showed up that there's a YMMV.The Seven Realms Series page with only one example on it — a Complete Monster instance that doesn't appear was approved through the thread.
in short: Poe Dameron is not keeping it cool or clean, can't format, and frequently changes things to the point of making their pages worse, and overhauled Emo Music without notice or even edit notes. There's also a Complete Monster example at YMMV.The Seven Realms Series that doesn't appear to be approved.
Edited by lakingsifopenFolder Numbers
What's the wiki's approach to the naming of folders that use numbers: for example, "Folder 1" or "Folder One"?
The reason I asked is because, on the RWBY Nightmare Fuel page
a while back, Running_Gag suddenly changed a group of folders from spelling out the number ("One") to the number itself ("1"). There was no edit reason, so the edit was reverted by Zaptech, using the following edit reason:
General English grammar rule: Unless its an official or technical document, numerical amounts under the value of 100 should be spelled out. Under 1,000 can use numbers or be spelled out depending on how formal and/or technical you're being. Once you get past 1,000, then you can use the numbers.
The12th Doctor has just reverted the folders back to the numerical style (Folder 1), without an edit reason.
Since this seems to be an issue, what's the correct approach?
openLife is Strange fridge page Videogame
There are several entries in Fridge.Life Is Strange that are either too obvious to be considered Fridge, built on no basis whatsoever, or just flat out wrong. For example:
Too obvious:
- With the reveal that Jefferson is the one was kidnapping and drugging girls after taking pictures of them in Episode 4, a quote from his speech at the start of episode 1 shows that he was behind it all along, as he says "I could frame any one of you in a dark corner, and capture you in a moment of desperation", clearly alluding to the Dark Room. After that, he even seems to tease the player in retrospect. "Is that too obvious?"
Pointing out an obvious clue of foreshadowing. The game itself event points it out.
No basis:
- If you had Max euthanize Alt!Chloe in Episode 4, she immediately uses the photo to go back in time. However, that means that Alt!Max wakes up in her own body, next to her dead best friend she hasn't seen in years, having unknowingly killed her and with an entire day's worth of memories missing.
This assumes the game operates under multverse theory, which it doesn't. The entire message is that Max's constant time travelling is harming the timeline, which is desperately trying to correct itself.
Flat out wrong:
- Think sacrificing Chloe is the correct choice? "Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?" Well sure! Go ahead and rewind time to stop yourself from saving Chlo- Wait? Wasn't your constant rewinding of time the cause of the Time Storm in the first place? ...And you just rewound time AGAIN. Congratulations! You just made the storm in all likelihood BIGGER. The town will still be destroyed, Max will not have her powers to mitigate any fatalities like last time, and she just sacrificed her best friend for nothing. Have fun!
We specifically see that the storm didn't happen once Max gets back, due to the timeline finally being corrected.
The point here is that there are several entries like these on the page, and trying to list the reason for deleting each one will be a giant hassle. Is it okay if I just mass delete the wrong entries with a blanket explanation of "Factually wrong", or do I need to give each deletion its own explanation?
openThinking of Removing Entry from Fanfic/ Memes
The entry in question is about a fanfic called "Forbidden Love: The Iliad". However, when I searched up the fanfic, there did not seem to be much mention of it, so I am not so sure if it was ever a meme.
Maybe I should have searched up the line that was memetic, though. But I do not want to, because... well, just check the entry yourself.
Edited by RaygunJusticeopenHateSink
tropers tend to add Hate Sink to Mr. Krabs of SpongeBob SquarePants, even if it contradicts the other tropes associated with him like Designated Hero and The Scrappy. Now the example is "Hate Sink: According to writers and the creator himself, Krabs is supposed to look as bad (if not worse) than Plankton himself. It's just the matter of letting him get away with it that they and the audience seem split over." IMO the trope overall is being misused for many characters. Is Mr. Krabs a Hate Sink?
openBadass Decay on YMMV/Sonic Forces Videogame
This trope was originally removed from YMMV.SonicForces as it "now argues with itself", but people keep adding it back in:
- Badass Decay: Silver's been hit hard with this. The guy who can handle Iblis, more than capable of killing Sonic and his powers are strong enough to the point where he can compress tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of pounds of cars and debris into a massive ball...can't handle a few Death Egg Robots.
Silver: "Hurry, Sonic! We can keep them in check, but not for long."
Should I remove it again?
Edited by BSonirachi

A few of the Emerald City recap pages had improper Wiki Words, so I put them on the cutlist with a note that they needed to be recreated under the proper Wiki Word. The cutmaster cut them, but didn't restore them, and now the history is gone so I can't do it myself. This is especially odd as I also requested the same thing for a Recap.The Flash 2014 recap page, and it was done correctly there.