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openNo Title
Since this creator page was made by the person the page is about, how do we know they are even popular enough to have a page? What if they are just self-promoting? Can someone confirm that these fics are popular enough to deserve pages on TV Tropes (which were also made by Bolt DMC)?
openPreventing an edit war on MythologyGag.NickelodeonAllStarBrawl Videogame
I've edited MythologyGag.Nickelodeon All Star Brawl on various occasions in the past few months to add examples, some of which include external links to help back them up. (Here
are
some instances of this.) On the 12th of this month, Pgj1997 removed several of these links
, explaining in an edit reason after the fact
that Weblinks Are Not Examples.
While I understand the policy, I made an effort to write all of my examples such that the connection between something in the game and the original series it's based on was evident from the text alone, which means that their edits seem like they're overreaching. Put another way, I tried to abide by what the page itself says:
- It is always preferable to use outside links as additional tools to clarify, enhance, or provide reference to a detailed example's content, rather than using them in place of the detailed example itself. In short, weblinks are to supplement context, but never substitute for context.
I don't want to risk edit warring, so I wanted to bring up the matter here to get others' opinions on this before taking any action.
openIs this note really necessary?
So, on Shipping Tropes someone added this note to the part about Incest Yay Shipping:
- Incest Yay Shipping: Shipping people who are related.[ [note] ] However, there is such a thing as a Family Ship, where the fans only wish a healthy family relationship on the two involved, commonly siblings, so this trope is not always the case. [ [/note] ]
The thing is the description of the trope and the index itself says that these are for romantic pairings, and I can't think of why this note is necessary as to my knowledge there is no "Family Ship" trope. Am I the only one? Is there a better place to have brought this?
Edited by BullmanopenIs Ship Sinking a main page or YMMV trope?
I believe I read somewhere that it is a main page trope but I also often find it on the YMMV pages like these from Once Upon A Time:
- Ship Sinking:
- Graham/Emma was sunk with Graham's death.
- "Selfless, Brave, and True" torpedoed Emma/August when the latter is rejuvenated into a little boy. This will never be able without Squick. Fans briefly regained hope when August regained his old body in Season 4, only for Emma to confirm their relationship is Like Brother and Sister.
- Similarly, Baelfire/Wendy is no longer a possibility, as Baelfire grew up and Wendy did not.
- Peter Pan/Henry sunk like a rock after "Think Lovely Thoughts".
- Swanfire as Neal is Killed Off for Real in 'Quiet Minds'. Diehard fans of the ship hoped for some kind of reunion when Emma traveled to the Underworld, only for the writers to reveal that Neal Ascended to a Higher Plane of Existence, leaving no doubt as to the chances of it actually happening.
- Rumbelle seems to have been sunk in the Season 4 winter finale, as Belle laments how she'll never be first in his heart, says she can't see any good in him anymore, and then banishes him from Storybrooke. However, it's on its way to righting itself again in Season 5.
- Swan Queen has been sunk by the show's creators, who stated at San Diego Comic-Con 2013 that it was never going to happen. In-Universe, it's sunk by Emma and Regina both hooking up with someone else without expressing any romantic inclination in each other, and even encouraging the other to go for their respective Love Interest.
So, should these be moved to the main page?
I am sorry if this is not the place to ask this but I did not know where else to go.
Edited by BullmanopenOn Images for Newly-Launched Tropes
Launched my new trope earlier today, and I saw someone else added a pic to it. I know I forfeit any conceit of ownership when I launched it, but I feel the pic isn't clear enough (figuratively because I tend to think of the castle before Mickey Mouse for Disney, and literally because it's kinda fuzzy) and could also be misconstrued as Company Cross-References instead.
Is this the sort of thing I can just change myself, or can I ask in here since it's a recent launch? Or is this the type of thing that should be taken to the Image Suggestion Thread
or a new thread entirely?
openCharacter sympathy in Superman and Lois Live Action TV
I deleted the Unintentionally Sympathetic entries, which included Jordan and Lois, from the YMMV page of Superman & Lois because I personally believe that they are meant to be sympathetic in their respective situations.
- Jordan is treated as unreasonable for being upset that his girlfriend Sarah kissed someone else, but he has the right to be angry that he was cheated on.
- Lois is seen to be in the wrong for not reporting that Lucy had a vision in line with what Ally preaches, treating it like she only shared the parts of the story that would let her go after Ally. Considering that Lucy supposedly had said vision after a drug overdose that nearly killed her it makes perfect sense that Lois didn't say anything about it. Reporting that her sister had a genuine vision of another version of herself, which near anyone would think would be a result of the drugs or the near death experience, would have seen Lois laughed out of the room by any editor. Not helping are the other stunts Lucy pulls in the scene, like blaming Lois for their mom leaving and revealing she's pulled this at Ally's behest, which makes it look less that she's bothered by Lois' supposedly hypocritical journalistic integrity and more that she's interested in getting back at her sister out of resentment over completely imagined slights.
Lois' example is pretty self-explanatory, but I think Jordan's needs to be elaborated on a bit further. I've watched the show and I don't see Jordan being that angry over Sarah's cheating. Yes, he was upset and mildly betrayed, but he was later consumed by guilt that Sarah was honest with him, while he can't tell her that he has superpowers. In fact, he wants to tell her because he admires her for her bravery and honesty (I'm paraphrasing), but Clark tells him not to because the secret isn't actually Jordan's to share. Jordan's brother and Natalie Irons even compare Jordan and Sarah's secrets, which strikes me as a false equivalance for the reason I've stated above. One secret is simply infidelity, while the other could put an entire family, maybe 2, in danger. This could be Informed Wrongness or something.
But still, I want to know what you guys think.
resolved Bloated-if-not-questionable Cowboy Bebop At His Computer example Web Original
On the Trivia page for Jimquisition, there's a Cowboy BeBop at His Computer example that was added and serial tweaked across last November, and while I already take issue with the unwieldy length of the example, I watched the episode it's referring to, and I'm not sure it's accurate. Here's what it is:
- In "Why Emulating Nintendo Games Is Good, Probably"
, Jim kept equating Piracy and Emulation as one in the same throughout the video; which it is not. Piracy would be stealing a game rom to play on an emulator, whereas emulators themselves is the means to play said game. While they can be used to play pirated games, if one is prepared enough, you can just dump the games yourself (something all emulators suggest you do specifically to avoid lawsuits and copyright infringement). Jim doesn't seem to realise that emulators can also do a lot more than just play games. You can outright make homebrew games for that system, mod the game to make it look better with texture packs and custom levels, or use cheat codes to enhance the experience. None of this was mentioned by them, despite being perfectly legal activities to do, and also a draw to emulator enthusiasts. If emulators were the driving issue, Nintendo and other game companies would've attempted to sue them all years agonote and there is a reason most emulators are open source; to prove to the companies and their users that their code is not stolen from outside sources or was made with a leaked companies' data. The premise of the video is also flawed because they claim games media doesn't talk about emulation because it's a taboo subject, and goes off on a tangent about how the media relies too much on connections to get news and review copies. While the observation is mostly true, It doesn't occur to them that a press outlet featuring emulators semi-frequently will inevitably lead to the Streisand Effect; more people pirating games to try out the emulator because they heard it in an article that would otherwise not feature it (something Jim themselves is an example of; Jim went out and bought a handheld game emulator loaded with what they imply are illegitimately obtained roms because they wanted to use an emulator to protest against Nintendo's online service that they found out via a news article via Kotaku).
Except the video doesn't treat piracy and emulation as the same thing. In fact, going off of the way that Jim words themselves, the video acknowledges and understands that piracy is a mere facet of emulation more than it is the same thing. Jim's video treats it as part of the bigger issue of how Nintendo does nothing to make their service worth the money in the face of people being able to access their older games for free illegitimately, and it seems like that's the actual premise of the video more than the topic of gaming media being coy about emulation, especially since the early portion revolves around an article that's being anything but coy about it. More to the point, the video backs this distinction up further by explicitly pointing out that the Kotaku article in question isn't encouraging piracy so much as it's reporting on something that's proven to be possible on emulation software.
From what I can conclude from rewatching the video, this example seems to revolve around a lack of distinction that not only isn't visible anywhere in the video, but wouldn't have been important to the video's point even if it was. It can't just be me noticing this, right?
At the very least, the example looks like it could do with a trim and a tiny bit of grammar cleanup, if we were to keep it.
Edited by Akriloth2160openShould this example be restored?
An entry for Final Boss was removed here
, with the stated reason that the fight in the example is not major enough to count. I sent a message about this soon after, arguing that Final Boss is based on a fight being last, not necessarily major, and that "the Jinx confrontation that comes immediately after" is irrelevant since it wasn't a fight. Haven't heard anything back.
I hesitate to restore it myself since I did some editing on that entry, and didn't want to potentially edit war.
openAssistance with Character page
Because I don't want to start an edit war or anything, I figured I'd just come directly here for assistance. Troper "BoopFreak12" removed the tropes "Kids Are Cruel" and "Unreliable Narrator" from My Hero Academia - Dabi, and edited the entry for Dark and Troubled Past to place the blame solely on his (admittedly abusive) father Enji. No edit reason was listed for any of this. This in turns reads like they were trying to change anything that suggested Dabi wasn't purely a victim as a child, to the point of deleting entries that had canon basis. Should the entries be restored or not?
- Kids Are Cruel: Downplayed. At 13 years old, Toya was so obsessed with gaining validation from his father that he was rather indifferent at best, and insulting at worst, to his mother and siblings. This is best shown when he accuses his mother of being weak-willed and submissive to a man who deems him a failed creation, not caring about the pressure she routinely endured being a victim to Enji's abuse.
- Unreliable Narrator: Of his own public broadcast to discredit the heroes, and lampshaded as he shows a blood test to prove he's Endeavor's son when he notes that anything that comes from a known villain's mouth is already suspect. Toya claims that he was a Child by Rape and put under Training from Hell before being discarded and his siblings were other "failed" attempts, but Endeavor's own flashback remembering Toya's apparent death and circumstances beforehand show that Toya was eager to train and learn from Endeavor despite his handicap (and if anything, it was Endeavor who showed more concern for his well-being) plus the reveal Fuyumi was mutually conceived by himself and Rei to give Toya a sibling to be supported by as much as to try and get a child with a balance of their Quirks. He shows edited footage of Twice's death by Hawks' hands to paint the hero as a murderer rather than someone forced into a no-win scenario, and mentions that Hawks killed Best Jeanist (although Dabi genuinely did believe that Hawks killed Best Jeanist, and was just as shocked as anyone else when the No. 3 Hero showed up).
- BEFORE:
- Dark and Troubled Past: He came from a wealthy heroic family with his father being the Number Two hero, Endeavor. His father, wanting to surpass All Might at any cost, sired a son with Rei Todoroki who he planned to train as his successor and achieve his ultimate goal. However, Toya was born with a body that didn’t suit his Quirk, meaning that he would severely hurt himself if he continued to use it. Endeavor, out of concern, did everything he thought he could to dissuade Toya from becoming a hero, including having another successor. But instead, Endeavor’s efforts made Toya feel abandoned and left him with deep existential issues and long-term injuries from wanting to prove his worth to his father throughout his early childhood. Not long after, he caused a forest fire while training his Quirk in the mountains which may have resulted in nearly all of his body becoming disfigured with horrific burn scars while the majority of his family believed him to be dead. It is safe to say Toya didn't have an easy life.
- AFTER:
- Dark and Troubled Past: He came from a wealthy heroic family with his father being the Number Two hero, Endeavor. His father, wanting to surpass All Might at any cost, sired a son with Rei Todoroki who he planned to train as his successor and achieve his ultimate goal. However, Toya was born with a body that didn’t suit his Quirk, meaning that he would severely hurt himself if he continued to use it. Endeavor
, out of concern, did everything he thought he couldtried to dissuade Toya from becoming a hero,includingby having another successor. successor as well as running away from his responsibilties as a parent. But instead, instead of these efforts helping, Endeavor’seffortsdecisions made Toya feel abandoned and left him with deep existential issues and long-term injuries from wanting to prove his worth to his father throughout his early childhood. Not long after, he caused a forest fire while training his Quirk in the mountains which may have resulted in nearly all of his body becoming disfigured with horrific burn scars while the majority of his family believed him to be dead. It is safe to say Toya didn't have an easy life.
- Dark and Troubled Past: He came from a wealthy heroic family with his father being the Number Two hero, Endeavor. His father, wanting to surpass All Might at any cost, sired a son with Rei Todoroki who he planned to train as his successor and achieve his ultimate goal. However, Toya was born with a body that didn’t suit his Quirk, meaning that he would severely hurt himself if he continued to use it. Endeavor
openNamesTheSame Cleanup?
Many of the examples listed under Names The Same contradict what the entry says.
Common names and/or first names only, whereas the main page says they need to be identical first and last names.
- Marge: Ed Huddles' wife or Homer Simpson's wife.
- Marie is either a cute kitten or the blue-haired Kanker.
- Mariposa is the Spanish word for "butterfly", but it could also refer to either a butterfly fairy or Marco Diaz's baby sister.
- Margo is either the eldest of the Gru girls, a stuck-up stick bug, or one of Lynn's teammates.
- Not to be confused with Margot, a female mallard who attends Perfecto Prep or Margaux, a friend of Punky Brewster.
- Maurice is either Belle's father, King Julien's assistant, or Twister's real name.
- Mavis is either a diesel engine who works for the Ffarqhuar Quarry Company or Count Dracula's daughter.
- Spelled various ways, Terry/Terri/Teri could be either one half of a pair of homosexual news reportersnote , a hypochondriac paper bear, two monsters that share a body, one of the Mc Nulty brothers, one of a pair of twins attending Springfield Elementary, a cryogenics scientist with a flair for drama, a different news reporter with luscious red hair, or some sort of legally safe knockoff of an 80s horror character with miniature swords for fingers instead of knives.
Obvious literary and historical references, which are not coincidental.
- Balrog is most famously either the American Boxer in English or the Spanish Ninja in Japanse, as well as the anthropomorphic bar of soap. It's also one of the aliens in Insaniquarium. Then there's the Balrog, in several The Lord of the Rings-inspired games. Or the Grandmaster's flying battleship in the Strider games.
- The Bandersnatch. Recurring enemy and/or boss in the series? Or a one-armed B.O.W. lurking around Rockfort Island?
- You got Fatman, a mad bomber on rollerblades hell-bent on blowing up The Big Shell, and the Fat Man, a nuclear catapult weapon capable of launching miniature nukes. There's also the eponymous villain from Tongue of the Fatman. And then there is FATMAN from Armored Core.
Intentional examples of reusing character names, either by the creative staff or a franchise, violating the "coincidental" and "unrelated works" clauses in the header (and thus more fit for Production Throwback or Mythology Gag).
- Star Wars: The Clone Wars includes a Roonan senator named Aang, not to be confused with the Avatar. Likely not a coincidence, as The Clone Wars director Dave Filoni previously worked on Avatar.
- Oddly enough, the Transformers franchise does this within itself. Being named Prowl, Thrust, Snarl, Inferno, or one of any of the other most common names in the Cybertronian phone book, it doesn't mean you've got anything in common with anyone else with the same name.
- The Defenders: The first from 1961, the second from 2010. Both unrelated to each other apart from being on CBS.
- It's also the name of a Marvel comic book, and a Netflix series based on Marvel Comics.
Things that aren't character names (and are so generic they're not really noteworthy):
- Both Friday Night Lights and Degrassi have High School teams named Panthers with school colo(u)rs blue and gold. A classic Justified Trope since neither series uses Where the Hell Is Springfield? with one school in Texas and the other in Toronto.
- Both are named after real schools' teams: Odessa Permian HS and Paris District HS.
- In Star Trek, a replicator is a machine capable of creating (and recycling) objects. In Stargate SG-1, a replicator is an antagonistic self-replicating machine that propagates by ingesting the metals that make up civilizations and use them to create either blocks that form the bug-like version or smaller cells that compose the human-form "Replicators".
There's probably a dozen other issues, but the page too huge to go through since people keep adding meaningless bloat based on vague similarities. I think the page needs to be gutted and clear notability guidelines established.
Edited by WarriorsGateopen Drafts that don’t get crosswicked
I can come up with a number of tropes that get launched from the TLP and don’t get crosswicked for a while, such as Single-Season Country, Poisoned Drink Drop, and many more. If nothing is done to these pages for a period of time, they’ll eventually fade to dust.
As someone who takes the time to crosswick pages after I launch them, I think it’s really annoying and unfair to people like me who put in the extra work to make sure the page is just like any others.
I didn’t go to the Projects: Short Term forum and start a cleanup thread because I don’t know if this is a big enough problem to warrant one. I think we should always PM the launcher and ask them to crosswick their page, and after so many warnings, action gets taken.
Is anyone else annoyed by this? I think, at the very least, you should be required to add the trope to Pages Needing Wicks if you’re not going to bother to crosswick them yourself.
Edited by MylesHenryVigilSropenEvilIsCool.DemonSlayer Anime
I noticed in YMMV.Demon Slayer Kimetsu No Yaiba that the villains Doma and Muzan are listed under the trope Evil Is Cool. While you might be able to argue that Doma falls into this trope (I haven't read the manga), the reasons listed line up better with Love to Hate, which he's already listed as.
Muzan himself is another matter. Not only are his actions gratuitous and very excessive (including the way he acts towards his henchmen), he's also considered to be an Anti-Climax Boss due to the fight against him being thought of as less interesting than his subordinates due to him being Unskilled, but Strong.
Edited by 227someguyopen Possible High Crate sock again?
While monitoring the Future Works pages for High Crate socks I might have found another one but I can't say for certain because there haven't been many edits.
The very first edit of the brand new account borkfestsassage has an edit reason nearly identical to the editing style of HC, the third edit is mass commenting out ZCEs (not a problem by itself but not something you'd expect a new account to do), and it was created shortly after HC's last account got taken out. Is it HC?
(I know there isn't much to go on, I'm just kind of suspicious.)
Edited by themayorofsimpletonopenSpoiler Marked Late Arrival Spoiler? Western Animation
Are Late-Arrival Spoiler entries allowed to be spoiler marked? Because I just found one on Characters.Ninjago Ninja, and it seems a little weird to me (the marking, not the entry itself).
openPunctuation issue
Brian KT just made an edit (on a page that consistently puts periods and commas inside the final quotation mark), that moved a period outside the last quotation mark without doing anything else. My understanding is that this isn’t supposed to occur (first come, first served on style) so I’ve reverted the edit and sent a notifier.
Page edit history here
.
Troper edit history here
.
I don’t think I was the troper who added the example in the first place (it would have been long ago, if so), but am posting here to cover myself in case I did.
openPage copied from website
The Fantasy Novelists Exam's contents are copied from the website itself, with various potholes added. I brought it up on the copy/paste cleanup thread, but didn't get an answer there on what to do with it.
My view is that since the site says the content is copyrighted and there's no indication we got special permission to reproduce it the way we did the Evil Overlord List, the page needs to either be rewritten to trope it normally, or cutlisted. Thoughts?
openGlass Onion Author Tract example Film
Recently, I added this particular example on Glass Onion YMMV page because I personally thought it's fitting, but not everyone may think so as well, so I thought it should be a YMMV example:
- Author Tract: Miles Bron's description of his fellow "Disruptors" as the ones who influence society by constantly breaking status quos, starting from things people wanted to break all along to things so beloved that nobody wants them to break, could be interpreted as Johnson's tract on his own filmmaking style, which has a tendency to subvert traditional narrative conventions in favor of something new even if it generates controversy in the process. This is especially more relevant when one considers the case of Star Wars: Episode VIII — The Last Jedi, a film directed by Johnson that subverts many expectations and conventions of the Star Wars universe to the point that it created an uproar among the fanbase, which still has lasting effects to the series and Johnson's own reputation to this day.
Then another troper AyyItsMidnight
deleted it by reasoning that it's not a YMMV trope, so I was wondering if this example could be added somewhere else? Or is it not applicable at all? I personally thought that the whole scene with Miles Bron explaining about "Disruptors" is quite reflective of Rian Johnson himself and his directing style, even if it's not the intended effect. Rian often breaks trends and conventions simply because he could, and that one time he caused a large rift in the Star Wars fandom with The Last Jedi that still has lasting effects today, so I thought the example applies in this case.
openNot too sure about starting a fanfic page about a Japanese fanwork Videogame
Hello Tropers,
Today I want to consider doing and creating a page for another Fan Fic of Touhou Project known as "Touhou Baseball in Heat Star 2007", by "Decorun-san" in Nico Video website, as seen here
. I cannot plan to translate everything and this is a Japanese work with No Dub for You (no English translation), and I'm the only one interested currently in making the page.
Question is, since I cannot simply just create a fan-work page by myself, for now I'm considering to instead put it in Sandbox. For now, I just decide to load up with a plenty of tropes based on analysis from a rough translation from what I got.
Can I get suggestions with how are non-English fan works are generally handled? Maybe if necessary you can redirect me to a forum topic if needed, but I'm just curious, honestly.
Thank you for your attention.
Edited by JustNormalMusicLoveropenSeemingly non-existent fanfic
I recently found the page for Dance Of Destiny, it claims to be a Pokémon fanfiction released on FanFiction.Net. The page doesn't link to the fic so I went to try and find it myself but I looked all over Fanfiction.net and I can't find the fanfic anywhere. Unless I am somehow missing something it seems that this fanfic doesn't exist. I don't know if it maybe was removed or it never existed, to begin with but I can't find it.
So what should be done then?

YMMV.Spider Man No Way Home
Idiot Plot requires more than one character having more than one moment of separate idiocy. It might hit this criteria with Peter not thinking the ramifications through and Strange not explaining the spell sooner, but it's still one scene and technically the same one moment and idiocy of them not thinking it through.
Thoughts? Should Idiot Plot have a cleanup thread? (I recall examples being brought here a few times and questions over it's fundamentals.)