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openI think I accidently Edit Warred. Sef reporting
So, on YMMV.Charlotte Flair, I removed
the following from her Base-Breaking Character entry:
- By the 2020s, her Invincible Villain booking has gotten so excessive that it would not be hyperbole to say that she has become unanimously disliked by fans. While her in-ring performances still receive high praise, Charlotte's years-long presence in the title picture and her frequent emasculation of the other women on the roster has exhausted the majority of audiences. Very few fans nowadays are likely to applaud her or think of her as a deserving champion considering the sheer number of more-popular opponents Charlotte has run through and humiliated (the most recent example being Toni Storm, whose booking was so mishandled during their feud that she straight up quit WWE shortly after it ended).
I removed it because it seemed to fit more in a The Scrappy entry then a Base-Breaking Character one and I knew that she wasn't that due to failing the consistently hated rule.
However, then I looked at it again and realized that it looked familiar. So, I looked through the history and realized that I had removed the exact same entry but under The Scrappy trope on the same page and had forgot about it here
and it was added back under her Base-Breaking Character entry here
by a different troper who didn't discuss it anywhere.
So, I think I Edit Warred unintentionally and would like to report myself if that is indeed the case. Does the fact that they are different trope's effect things at all?
Edited by BullmanopenFlypaper (2011) not on TvTropes Film
Note: I don't fully know how Tv Tropes works, so I am not 100% sure if I am at the correct location for this question.
One of my favorite movies of all time is Flypaper from 2011; It's about a bank being robbed by 2 separate groups, and everything goes wrong.
I cannot find this movie on the website, but I am sure that it contains a lot of tropes, seeing as the movie is heavily comedy based and doesn't take itself seriously.
How can I [or, preferably, with the help of other people] create a page for the movie on this website?
openConsensus on Handling These Gargoyles Manhattan Clan Edits? Western Animation
Steven Alex 22 made an inaccurate change to the Characters page for the Manhattan Clan in Gargoyles, removing the reference in Antiope's entry to Antiope having been nicknamed that by the Captain of the Guard's daughter Alesand. Not only do we see it happen in the recent issue #4, it was already mentioned by Alesand back in issue #1. Therefore, it is not "All There in the Manual" since it derives from published stories and not just the script. I can't change it back myself without edit warring, since I wrote that part in the first place, so Steven Alex 22 or someone else will have to revert the change.
They also made two strange changes that turned correct grammar into incorrect grammar. In Lefty's entry, they changed "the older biological brother of Demona, whom he resembles" to "Demona's biological older brother, whom he resembles". Moving "whom he resembles" away from the name of the person Lefty resembles makes the sentence lose sense and sound awkward. In Katana's entry, they changed "she and others return from patrol moments before the sun comes up, and she immediately insists to Brooklyn on checking on their egg" to "she and others return from patrol moments before the sun comes up, she immediately insists to Brooklyn on checking on their egg". Removing the "and" makes it a run-on sentence for no apparent reason.
Edited by NOYBresolved Troper with a string of bad edits
So, lately I’ve been noticing how Ninja Ghost Dragon has been making pretty terrible edits that I frequently have to undo because of how bad they often are. Lemme give some examples:
- Adding a non-canon example to the Dooku page that has nothing to do with the canon works.
Whenever a Legends work is discussed in a Star Wars page, there should be a comparison to the canon works or else they're not necessary there.
- This edit pretty much undoes the trope and the excuses and additions they added in the edits are either subjective or downright incorrect.
Their wrong edit pretty much means the trope can’t be played straight because if there are "whole others" (and there’s not because those those few people mentioned in the example are the only ones Anakin’s kind to) then this trope can’t be played straight.
- Constant grammatical and spelling errors. Lemme give a bunch of examples:
- Just take a look at the number of grammatical and spelling errors they made in this Anakin edit
.
- I undid this but they said might of instead of might have, misspelled destroy, and said "a Jocasta Nu" rather than just Jocasta Nu
.
- They should’ve used self-preservationism and they used the wrong kind of reckless.
- Forgetting to italicize the show name, verbal tic word cruft in the form of "heck", and at the very least they should have put a comma after using heck.
- Removing "where" when it was used properly, using "antagonizes" instead of "antagonizing", not adding a comma after using "also" at the beginning of the sentence.
- Again forgetting to italicize a work’s title
.
- Uses "with rifle" instead of "with a rifle", made a typo with "killedm ore" which I presume is "killed more", unnecessary use of the word along, and misspelling "desperately".
- Disobeying Edit Tip 8 (A trope can't be "partially subverted" any more than a woman can be "a little bit pregnant), using all caps on averted, and being grammatically incorrect in the edit reason to boot.
- Just take a look at the number of grammatical and spelling errors they made in this Anakin edit
And that’s just scratching the surface. If I had more time, I could probably add around 10-20 more examples of them making bad edits.
Edited by MaxyGregoryyyyopenAdvice on how to proceed with a Bumblekast Page. Videogame
So, for those who don't know, The BumbleKast is a podcast run by semi-famed Sonic the Hedgehog writer Ian Flynn and a close friend of his. From its humble beginnings as a rather standard podcast, it's more recent incarnations have become more frequently about for fun questions from various Sonic fans (myself included). The sticky thing is that it also does occasionally get serious questions pertaining to Sonic lore and due to his increasingly prominent role in the franchise, his answers are frequently treated as Word of God and regularly gets cited on various Sonic trivia pages, even when he makes clear his word only goes so far. And they've had incidents with hostile tropers in the past.
For these reasons, the page would obviously get a huge disclaimer relating to how seriously it is to be taken. I'm wondering if a stricter citation rule would be warranted too. Any other advice before I go forward with it (or if I shouldn't) would be welcome.
Edited by DDRMASTERMopenMisuse(?) / more Ohvist issues
Ohvist added this to YMMV.My Little Pony A New Generation
- Spiritual Successor: Far too many comparisons to note within the general storyline, internal lore, character archetypes, and setting taking place sometime after the events of Friendship is Magic that the movie itself feels very much like a Kid-friendly adaptation of Fallout: Equestria.
- Best exemplified HERE
.
- Best exemplified HERE
- This is edit warring as they added it back after I removed it as they're too different in tone and content despite some similarities (FE is a R-rated war fic, ANG is family friendly). Cleanup
said to cut when they added it under YMMV.My Little Pony Generation 5.
- The video they linked is their own channel which seems problematic.
This is in addition to their other issues I I brought up prior
.
resolved Does "Why Fandom Can't Have Nice Things" cover hatedoms?
About a week ago, Nemlei, the creator of The Coffin of Andy and Leyley and other titles, ended their online presence and removed themselves from fandom interactions after some users of an anonymous forum board attempted (and failed) to doxx them.
~EndarkCuli initially added this entry to YMMV.The Coffin Of Andy And Leyley (which was then moved to Trivia.The Coffin Of Andy And Leyley by ~SoyValdo7), which was later edited by ~Konnor to specify it was "outside" of fandom.
- Despite the game itself having overall positive reviews, outside fandom reactions to one of the potential endings of Episode 2 led to the original creator terminating their online presence; while they will be continuing to work on story and art for the full version offline, Kit9 Studio was given ownership of the property and tasked with community management.
Setting aside that the doxxing started on a board that is notable for extreme transphobia and only started under the assumption the creator was transcontent warning The original post refers to Nemlei as "[transphobic slur] behind [the] cannibal incest game", mockingly uses neopronouns for them (when they have never specified such pronouns), users in the thread accuse the devs of being trans and groomers, you get the idea., they're clearly not fans of the work itself.
In my opinion, it doesn't count as Why Fandom Can't Have Nice Things. Can I cut this?
Edit: Sorry, I cited the wrong person as adding the entry. SoyValdo7 only moved it to the Trivia subpage.
Final edit: Entry (and page since it was the only Trivia item) has been cut. Locking as resolved.
Edited by lapistieropenIs this an Edit War?
Awhile back I reported Samazing 91 for edit warring
by re-adding a second bullet to an Unintentionally Sympathetic on YMMV.Landry Series here
. Here was said entry:
- Subverted as Giselle does have some Jerkass moments. One notable example is in Pearl In The Mist where she throws a classmate’s homework (that the girl had been studying religiously for) in the toilet just to prove a point that she shouldn’t work so hard on something that she doesn’t pay as much attention to her personal hygiene, never mind that there was a nicer way to tell someone this. In the same book she also outs Ruby’s friend Abby as biracial to the entire school (keep in mind this was an all white school in the sixties!) and she also got Miss Stevens fired by spreading the false rumour that she was a lesbian! So yeah…
It was removed again by a third troper here
.
However, Samazing 91 re-added
it, if slightly tweaked, not as a second bullet but to the main entry.
Here it was before:
- Unintentionally Sympathetic: Giselle. Yes, she has her flirtatious behaviors but her world was literally turned upside down with the discovery that not only does she have a twin sister but her mother isn't really her mother and Daphne starts becoming frostier toward Giselle as a result of the reveal when they were previously quite close. Punishment seems adamant to get her for the "sin" of not openly accepting her saintly twin sister by making her paralyzed for a time after a car accident, sent off to a boarding school (which she tries to get both Ruby and herself out of by pretending to be her sister), and nails her coffin shut by having her contract encephalitis. In hindsight, much of Giselle's punishments don't manage the wrongs (mostly putting her sister in an unflattering light) yet the reader is told how much of a "bad girl" she is compared to Ruby who is talked up heavily but has her own share of flaws that are desperately glossed over.
Here it is now (I bolded the re-added part):
- Unintentionally Sympathetic: Giselle. True she does have some Jerkass moments. One such example is in Pearl In The Mist where she throws a classmate’s homework (that the girl had been studying religiously for) in the toilet! In the same book she also outs Ruby’s friend Abby as biracial to the entire school (keep in mind this was an all white school in the sixties!) and she also got Miss Stevens fired by spreading the false rumour that she was a lesbian! But her world was literally turned upside down with the discovery that not only does she have a twin sister but her mother isn't really her mother and Daphne starts becoming frostier toward Giselle as a result of the reveal when they were previously quite close. Punishment seems adamant to get her for the "sin" of not openly accepting her saintly twin sister by making her paralyzed for a time after a car accident, sent off to a boarding school (which she tries to get both Ruby and herself out of by pretending to be her sister), and nails her coffin shut by having her contract encephalitis. In hindsight, much of Giselle's punishments don't manage the wrongs (mostly putting her sister in an unflattering light) yet the reader is told how much of a "bad girl" she is compared to Ruby who is talked up heavily but has her own share of flaws that are desperately glossed over.
Is this an Edit War? I know that this is not technically the same edit, but it is re-adding the same information for the third time in two and a half weeks from each other. They also didn't discuss it anywhere, despite me informing them the last time that they needed to discuss re-adding something before doing so. That said, due to not being the exact same edit and maybe fixing the mistake by it no longer being natter (I think), it might not be an Edit War. I am legit unsure.
Edited by Bullmanclosed Self-referential YMMV page
Spangooner created a seemingly self-referential YMMV page at Spangooner. I've sent a PM but the page is a wreck, so I'd like to know if it would be appropriate to go ahead and submit it to the cutlist.
open TenuousVermian
Tenuous Vermian has been making a pest of himself, spamming all over the site asking about how to buy a vest that some character in a TV show wears, making new posts instead of replying to or editing his old ones, and is continuing to do this even after having proper procedure explained to him multiple times by multiple tropers, including myself.
openAssault Rifle (And general CoolGuns) Cleanup.
Currently.Well, just look at it.. Each description is a text wall (although the M16 and AK families are by far the worst offenders), and quite a few have been inflated by a back-and-forth "this gun's the best, no that gun, no this gun, no those guns are better" to the point of roughly 1k words per wall.
I have a project going to fix that, so this is mostly just asking for help :/. Don't trust myself not to be biased.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=14609531630A25725700&page=1#1
open What exactly is ReadTheFreakingManual about?
I'm having trouble figuring out what Read the Freaking Manual is actually about. The description itself is very unclear (best I can figure it's "person arrogantly didn't read the manual because they think they can figure it out" but that's a relatively uncommon use of it on the page. The examples seem to be a hodgepodge of "this work referenced a manual," "actually reading a manual makes someone an Instant Expert," "it would behoove the characters to have read a manual (even if none was mentioned)," and a few of the "person arrogantly didn't read the manual because they think they can figure it out" examples I mentioned earlier.
Could I get some clarification?
openI'm not sure about this one
An edit made to this page
by Smitty 300 has no detail but a You Tube link of questionable reputation. (And I'm starting to wonder whether or not edits to the page itself should be by request only.)
openSome...interesting formatting on Music/TheAgonist Music
Music.TheAgonist consists entirely of zero-context examples grouped by song. Even if the examples had context (which they don't) and were indented correctly (which they aren't), would this method of organizing even be kosher? It just seems to be more unwieldy than just arranging the tropes in the normal way.
I'm not familiar enough with the band to add context to any of the examples, and the few examples with context seem to be misuse, so...uh...what should be done here? I could try to overhaul it myself (the reason I ended up on the page in the first place was because I started listening to one of their albums and liked it), but it would take a while.
openDon't Understand the Difference: In Love with Love; Playing Straight and Deconstructed
I'm confused about the difference between playing In Love with Love straight with deconstructing it. It sounds like the two are one and the same, particularly with the example given in Western Animation about Vlad Plasmius: The basic trope is that a character wants a romantic relationship just for the sake of one while the deconstruction is that Vlad wants Maddie as a wife rather than actually being in love with Maddie herself. Those two sound very much alike to me, and are hard to distinguish. Could someone please enlighten me? Thank you in advance for your time and for whatever help you can provide.
openQuestion about edit on No Dub For You
Previously, TheNohrianDarkKnight changed an entry about Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE on No Dub for You to read: "Bill Trinen of NoA claimed this was done in order to match the Japanese feel of the game, though some feel that the localizers just didn't care due to the game not being a hot seller in Japan itself."
I changed it to get rid of the attempt to shoehorn in They Just Didn't Care since they did not provide the necessary citations. They then changed it to read: "According to Bill Trinen of NoA, this game does not have a dub in order to match the Japanese feel of the game, though some think this was actually due to the game's not-so successful run in Japan."
Is the example valid? I get the feeling that it was worded that way to try to hint that Bill Trinen is lying and that Weasel Words are involved, and I wanted to be sure if speculating on such things on that page is allowed.
Edited by dragonfire5000openAbout wiki(pedia) plagiarism and such
Here's one doubt that has been bothering me and may be relevant to editors of multiple wikis:
Say you added a bunch of info in another wiki about some subject or another you have knowledge of, off the top of your head etc, and one day, you come here and add it to tvtropes, VERBATIM, now that an article about it has been created (or you are the one creating it...) Think about crosswicking stuff in multiple sites.
Would that be a problem? I know that once you post something online, is not "your info" anymore, but self-plagiarism seems a bit okay to me, if somewhat hard to prove.
Edited by TrollBrutalopenCowboy Wizard In Space Film
I recently deleted a Small Reference Pools example from YMMV.Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them, since Small Reference Pools is not a YMMV items. And I left behind an edit-reason explaining so.
Cowboy Wizard in Space
has re-added the example leaving this as his edit-reason:
"Although the trope itself is not specifically coded as YMMV, the entries are too subjective for the main page. I went through the entire YMMV index and was unable to find a YMMV trope that fit the opinions described, and so have added Small Reference Pools back in. If anyone finds a YMMV trope that fits the opinions below, feel free to change it; but for the time being, deleting opinions is against YMMV policy."
Edited by AnddrixopenWeird Example on YMMV/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica Anime
This was under the Moe entry.
- Many fans claim that Puella Magi Madoka Magica is a feminist series, when in fact, Gen Urobochi had conceptualized the series through comparisons of girls' "hubris" and "self-righteousness" to Al-Qaeda, not to mention that the intended demographic was for an older, male audience.
I'm not sure what the point of the entry was (well besides the last part). But the point about its relationship to feminism is already mentioned elsewhere on the page (word for word in fact) and for some reason i see this entry as out of place. Should it stay?

The YMMV page for Die Hard had this entry under Misaimed Fandom:
This was deleted by Miracle@St Olaf with the edit reason merely stating "There's plenty someone can say to argue this, which means it probably doesn't need to be here," but it doesn't make any such argument itself. Should the entry be restored?
Edited by Javertshark13