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openQuestion about a recap page that seems to have been prematurely made
While inspecting things, I noticed that someone apparently made a recap page for the upcoming show, Hazbin Hotel.
This seems to have been made half-heartedly if not prematurely.
While it has been announced that Hazbin Hotel has been picked up by a studio, no info has yet been given where it will be broadcast and when will the first season drop as of this writing.
As of this writing, all that there is of the show is the pilot itself, a music video, and a couple of webcomics.
There's practically nothing yet to warrant full on recap pages.
With all this in mind, is it okay to ask for this page to be deleted for the time being?
Edited by ElfkaiseropenSelf Demonstrating lists - OK to remove YMMV?
Do Self Demonstrating character pages' example lists contain only tropes? Looks to be the case, but I'm asking before removing YMMV entries (specifically Adorkable).
openAvengers 1000000 B.C. Print Comic
I just found Avengers 1000000 BC, a page which was created almost a month ago.
And I'm not sure why the page itself exists, as Avengers 1000000BC isn't a work, it's a group of characters that have appeared in various works (8 major appearances
in 3 different works, and 6 minor appearances
in 3 different works if the Marvel wiki is to be believed).
So I don't get why they have their own page, and not just have their tropes listed on either a character page, or just the relevant tropes listed in the pages of the work's they've appeared in.
openNo Title
- Win Back the Crowd:
- Depending on who you ask, the game itself is an example of this.note Many people legitimately liked the New Super Mario Bros. games when they were released. When it was first announced, a lot of people were not impressed and already wrote it off due to it not being a game in the vein of Super Mario Galaxy or being "Super Mario 3D Land HD". Or New Mario Bros crossed with Mario 3D Land. But when the October 1 trailer went up, it changed a lot of people's minds about the game and restored interest to those who are/were tired of Mario platformers because of the New Super Mario Bros. series. Then the game actually came out and blew folks away with the amount of thought and creativity put into the title along with new visuals and music. It actually feels like a new game rather than a retreadnote Which some felt the New Super Mario Bros. games were with new power-ups thrown in. The multiplayer aspect certainly helped as well.
- The new Bowser's Fury mode also wound up doing this to the Switch port. Initially, the port was written off as yet another lazy decision on Nintendo's part and not being worth $60. (Being announced at the same time as Super Mario 3D All-Stars, another controversial decision by Nintendo, didn't help much either). Come further information on the new mode, however, and more people had their interest peaked, including a Super Saiyan-esque form for Mario, a dark and intimidating new form for Bowser, and being an open-world collect-a-thon platformer in the vein of Super Mario Odyssey.
Can Win Back the Crowd even apply if the audience wasn't interested in the work initially? That'd be Win The Crowd, correct? Also, I remember people were excited for Bowser's Fury when it was announced, I don't remember anyone going "oh this is just another switch port so it'll blow", especially with the teaser at the end.
openZero-context example? Western Animation
So this example caught my attention on the YMMV subpage for VeggieTales:
- Seasonal Rot: A show about talking vegetables was bound to succumb to this. Phil stated in a podcast that he noticed that the post-Jonah episodes aren't as successful (in terms of selling) as the older ones, and speculates how it's probably how the media reacts nowadays.
I think it might be a Zero-Context Example, since you'd expect the example to explain what in the show itself is demonstrating the seasonal rot. How the media reacts to it doesn't seem like it should be the explanation here. So, would it be a zero-context example?
openProper Namespace for an OELManga Series?
I'd like to create a page for the OEL Manga "Orange Crows", but I'm conflicted over what namespace to put it in; Manga or Comic Books. (Clicking around in the OEL Manga titles section shows that it covers works from both namespaces, which only deepens my confusion.)
On the "Manga" side: the work was generally marketed as a "manga" when the first volume was released in the late 2000's, it was originally published by Tokyopop in their standard 5 in. × 7.5 in. tankobon format, and it draws heavily on manga style.
On the "Comic Book" side: it was written by an American author, it reads from right-to-left, and I can't find evidence that it was ever released outside of the USA. (It appears the author self-published the second volume in a similar tankobon format outside of the Tokyopop imprint.)
I would lean towards putting the work in the Comic Books namespace, but I figured I would pose the question here for propriety's sake. Is there a consensus on these matters that doesn't appear on the OEL Manga page?
Edited by LeporidaeopenCharacters/OrangeIsTheNewBlack
I'm doing dewicking for Transgender and I came across Orange Is the New Black - Black Inmates - it is custom titled to say "Black Inmates", but the location of the page itself is Characters.Orange Is The New Black Black. This is the same for the other ethnicity pages: Characters.Orange Is The New Black Hispanic (Hispanic Inmates), Characters.Orange Is The New Black White (White Inmates), and Characters.Orange Is The New Black Asian (Asian Inmates), along with Characters.Orange Is The New Black Other for "Other Characters". Custom titles shouldn't be used this way, but should the "Inmates" part just be removed or should the pages be moved to what they say they are?
Edited by Crossover-EnthusiastopenGeneral rule of thumb for providing context for adaptations?
What is the generally accepted practice when it comes to providing context to trope examples of an adaptation that has deviated from its source material just enough to warrant a separate page? Is it preferred that an editor divorce from their knowledge of the source entirely while writing out context, or to use a bit of it with some measure of discretion?
Some context as to why I bring this up: There's God Eater 1 (the source) and God Eater (the adaptation), which covers only about a sixth of the original's narrative and takes notable liberties with the events it does cover as well as some of its worldbuilding. Enough to be considered its own take, if anything. In the latter, the last episode has a few Sequel Hooks which allude to storyline events that occur afterward to appeal for a second season that probably won't come in the foreseeable future and/or needle the viewers into buying the game to see what happens next. A few trope examples revolving around these hooks have been written from the perspective of someone who's either only seen the adaptation and is going only by the information provided within, or was going with the aforementioned "divorce from the source" approach. I was tempted to edit to correct any speculation that's objectively wrong or otherwise add in further details as someone familiar with the original game, before I stopped myself and began wondering whether or not I even should since they both have their own pages.
Edited by BakazukiopenCustom Titling redlinks
Self-explanatory. Can redlinks be custom titled to include special characters and the like?
Edited by AdeptopenACI misuse?
AlternativeCharacterInterpretation.SCP Foundation:
- SCP-447 may do something unimaginably horrible when brought into contact with dead bodies... or it may simply have a memetic effect that makes people think it does.
I think this is misuse as 447 is not a character so what's being interpreted alternately isn' character related. I’ve seen Ambiguous Situation used for another non-character SCP that was intentionally ambiguous. This sounds more like Wild Mass Guessing as it’s the first I’ve heard it as opposed to the common speculations I’ve seen for 447.
AlternativeCharacterInterpretation.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic:
- The "Screwball" pony flying around with a propeller hat could be like Pinkie: a pony that would be happy if Discord's reign was permanent ("Eternal chaos comes with chocolate rain!"). Then there is the idea that she was created by him.
- When she first appeared there were interpretations that she is a normal pony, possibly a baseball star, who only seemed unusual due to Discord screwing with everything.
- Celestia and Luna being Physical Goddesses is itself an ACI; there are numerous hints for it, most significantly their dominion over celestial bodies, the aspects of nature they represent, and their extensive lifespan, but the actual word god/goddess has never been used in the series. Less common is the interpretation that they are "merely" extremely powerful ponies, or two of the few remaining alicorns after their race was nearly rendered extinct. With the introduction of "Age Spells" in "Magic Duel", spells that can alter the age of the target but can only be cast by the most powerful of casters, Princess Celestia and Princess Luna's immortality may not even be inherent but the product of repeated self-cast Age Spells (which would also explain Luna's difference in appearance between her first and second appearance).
- This is further complicated by the presence of Princess Cadance. Is she also a Physical Goddess? We are told that she is the niece of Princess Celestia, but she couldn't be Luna's child. Luna spent the last thousand years in the moon. So who are her parents? Is she also immortal, and will she outlive her husband Shining Armor? Does she even have a blood relation to the Royal Pony Sisters? (It should be noted that Cadance was originally conceived as a unicorn but made an alicorn because of Executive Meddling.) Twilight Sparkle and the Crystal Heart Spell expanded on Princess Cadence's backstory and where she came from: It is revealed that Cadence was originally an orphaned pegasus that was adopted by an earth pony village. A Wicked Witch by the name of Prismia attacked the village by draining all their love for each other. Cadence somehow defeated her and was magically transported to the same "interstice" that Twilight went to when she completed Starswirl's unfinished spell. She met Princess Celestia there and was turned into an alicorn, adopted by Celestia, and made a princess herself. Whether this is canon or not is up in the air right now, but this is the closest thing to a backstory she has so far.
- Then Twilight became an alicorn, also making her a princess, bringing another whole host of questions. Do all alicorns "earn" their ascension this way? If so, how did the other three do so? Can it be given as some sort of reward or a Enlightenment Superpower? Is Twilight now immortal? And if she is, is this a way to give Celestia some more company for her eternal life?
The first is a very minor background character with only two scenes and seconds of screentime. This sounds more like WMG or O.C. Stand-in as ACI seems misused for one too minor to have primary character interpretation for fanon to deviate from. The second is Fanon/speculation over how alicorns work in the setting and backstory. These seem misused as ACI as they have nothing to do with characterization or character motives/actions.
Thoughts?
openRetcon vs Continuity Error?
WandaVision and WandaVision Episode 8 "Previously On":
- Series Continuity Error: A very, very minor discrepancy when depicting Wanda's backstory in "Previously On" - Pietro recounts to Ultron in Age of Ultron that the Maximoff family was having dinner when the bombings hit. When shown the episode itself, the family is having a TV night, watching The Dick Van Dyke Show together, but clearly not eating dinner while doing so. Wanda's mother is even washing dishes when the scene begins, implying dinner was already over by then. Could be justified if one assumes Wanda's memory of such a traumatic event was imperfect and Pietro's Age of Ultron explanation was him misremembering it.
- Retcon: Avengers: Age of Ultron has Pietro's detailed description of the destruction of the Maximoff home, including that it was during dinner and that the floor fell from under them. This doesn't happen in Wanda's flashback here; instead, the family was watching an episode of The Dick Van Dyke Show when the bomb hit, and it caused the roof to collapse.
- Series Continuity Error: In Avengers: Age of Ultron, Ultron created Vision by bonding Vibranium to synthetic human tissue using Doctor Helen Cho's Regeneration Cradle. In this episode, Vision's vivisected body contains wires and circuitry, with no trace of organic matter. However, his head clearly contained wires and circuits when Thanos ripped the Mind Stone out, so it may instead be a Retcon.
Retcons are deliberate changes while error is unintentional so these seem mutually exclusive. I'm leaning to the backstory being a Retcon as it's changing a minor, relatively unimportant detail replacing it with something major and important to the plot. Not sure about the Vision one. Thoughts?
openWhat warrants a character specific page?
My logic making Character Specific Pages and by what's described on main itself is to reserve it for characters who'd otherwise take up a large chunk of the page. I've been going off word count a lot of the time, and most of the ones I've seen have anywhere from five to ten thousand words. Others I've talked to have argued for trope count instead, but I've seen no steadfast rule on that, so I wasn't sure whether to take it into consideration.
Edited by IkeaHanopenWMG/EverybodyCries
I happen upon the trope page for Everybody Cries and I'm perplexed to find a WMG subpage. There's no media namespace of the same name, and the page itself (WMG.Everybody Cries) doesn't help much.
openI think I edit warred by mistake.
I think I edit warred by mistake. So it was decided that the Resident Evil games can't have an FPC on the FPC cleanup thread a while ago. Here is a link
. Leon in particular is given Ship Tease with everyone, and lacks an official pairing which is needed for the trope. However today I noticed an entry on YMMV.Resident Evil 2 Remake. It was for Leon and Claire who are given Ship Tease in the remake. This already makes it impossible to for it be a FPC as it's for non-canon ships, and Ship Tease means that the creators meant for it to be shipped. So I removed it here
. However, I hadn't noticed that it had been removed and readded by tropers that are not me. As I didn't check the edit history.
Did I edit war? If so I will accept the consequences and would like to report myself.
Edited by Bullman
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
openLeaked content on My Hero Academia pages
I've been noticing this issue for a while now.
On pages for My Hero Academia, some users are adding information about the latest chapter before it's been officially released in English, based on scanlations. I've mainly seen this affecting Characters.My Hero Academia One For All; in fact, a back-and-forth involving multiple users has just happened today: Ludicrous Wolverine edited the page to add the name of a character which is revealed in the upcoming Chapter 310. This was reverted by Lion King Alex, citing that adding content based on leaks is not allowed. Green Lizard 9, Rich 4, and Aukefi then made more edits using the leaked name.
EDIT: Decided to just go ahead and revert this myself, and also add a warning comment to the page. I'll also send warning PMs to the offending users.
Edited by ZuxtronopenCalvin and Hobbes Headscratchers page
The main C&H Headscratchers page used to be an index for the pages devoted to the comic itself and more meta/Watterson examples. Now the meta page is gone, so there's no need for the index anymore. Could someone move Calvin And Hobbes In Universe back to Calvin and Hobbes?
(And if the old meta content is still kicking around somewhere, could we salvage it and move it to YMMV/BillWatterson?)
openMore custom titling kerfuffles
Colon Cancer was recently custom titled to be self demonstrating. While this is somewhat amusing, it also renders the title nonsensical and isn't even an actual example of the trope since there's only one colon, not at least two (and there can't be more colons without breaking the words up, of course). We discussed this a bit here
already. I personally think it should be changed back; do I have permission to do that?

So it seems that some people are jumping the gun on some comics coming out as part of DC Infinite Frontier, with one page being misnamed and another being trope-less.
Justice League 2021 isn't the correct name, because the year indicates what year the series starts, not a run. This comic is just another writer's run on Justice League (2018), not a new series onto itself. It should be renamed something like Brian Michael Bendis' Justice League or Justice League (Infinite Frontier) to keep with convention. Also, one of the examples is just kinda weird, so maybe the person was jumping the gun in making it? The Mythology Gag is just... a thing that happened before. It isn't so much a gag as a thing they're doing again.
I just created The Flash (Infinite Frontier), since it is just a new creative team's run on the previous series, but is large enough a change in status quo that it deserves its own page. I think that the page I mentioned above should be moved to Justice League (Infinite Frontier).
The other thing is Green Lantern (2021). It's properly named, since the series is starting in 2021 and not a continuation of another series' numbering or anything. However, that page has no tropes at all and has been like that for a month now.