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openLinks to Video Reviews Web Original
I've been noticing an increasing number of articles that have "Hilariously reviewed by popular youtube critic LINK" or "you can watch a great let's play here LINK" as the bottom paragraph. Is this appropriate?
These links can be fun, but putting them in top of the page seems inconsistent at best and like ugly self promotion at worst.
openTroll edit of The Guy with the glasses; needs fixing Web Original
Peng 1 recently deleted nearly everything off That Guy with the Glasses and replaced it with a single line denouncing the show. I'm not capable of fixing the page myself since I don't really know how the editing works, plus I'm not sure what the proper response to said troper is. Regardless, figured I should bring it up, even if I'm not entirely sure this is the right place... And now another troper, Magicwolf 78, in his own words, plugged his favorite book series on the page as well.
Edited by Hero2014openVictoria Literature
So, questions regarding Literature/Victoria have come up several times, but discussion always peters out with no solid conclusion, so I hope to just get an answer once and for all. First, the description states unequivocally that the comparison to The Turner Diaries is unfair. No reason is ever given for this (it claims that it is self-evident by comparing their trope pages, I have and still don't see it). The other point of concern is the Tearjerker page
, which seems really suspect. My main question is why we seem to feel so strongly about maintaining neutrality on this page. I know we claim that as a universal policy, but it clearly isn't. Look at the page for the aforementioned Turner Diaries or Birth Of A Nation or (to move to the opposite end) Mission to Moscow. We would never tolerate any of these being described as merely "controversial", as Victoria is. Hardly a line on these pages goes by without a denouncement of their politics. Even works that are merely widely hated but nowhere near as odious get far less balance, like Fifty Shades of Grey. So why is so much neutrality demanded here?
openCharacter Derailment misuse
From CharacterDerailment.Film:
- Loki became somewhat of a caricature of himself in Thor: Ragnarok. Though he had chronic backstabbing disorder and an overblown need for people to worship him in previous movies, these traits were flanderized in the last Thor film. Thor's character was also somewhat derailed, though not to the same extent. Though he wasn't entirely humorless in his previous appearances, in the most recent film he was constantly joking around about things that he would have previously been a lot more serious about. Both cases of character derailment seem to have been to change the tone of the series to make it more popular.
Exaggerating character traits is not a drastic enough change to qualify for this trope to my knowledge. Misuse?
openspoiler policy violation
In the article Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask, there's a violation to the spoiler policy in the Apocalypse How example, as even the name of the trope is covered. I cannot fix the issue because I'm playing the game for the first time and don't want to be spoiled myself. There is also rampant misindentation, but I can fix gthem after I finish the game if nobody else does in the meantime.
openNeed Verification of Existence of Jojo Meme
On the YMMV page of Battle Tendency, I found this Memetic Mutation entry:
Ahh! Sto-sama is dead!/あーん!スト様が死んだ! : Tankobon releases of the manga used to have a section for fan-submitted art. One of the pieces chosen was of the slightly unhinged artist bawling on Straizo's chest at the end of the volume in which he dies. Likely kicked off because of the hilarious Fangirl Self Insert going on, and goes to show you that Estrogen Brigades as we know it (and the Draco in Leather Pants aspect of Fan Dumb for that matter) predate the Internet by a loooooong shot.
Nonetheless, a quick search yielded nothing, and now, I am starting to suspect that it does not actually exist.
openCan this page be restored to an earlier version?
I was wondering if a mod could restore Anti Heroes to an earlier version because someone messed up the page and i cannot fix it myself for some reason.
resolved The Colonial Period
As The Colonial Period has been moved to the Useful Notes namespace, the name sounds too generalizing to non-American tropers, such as myself whose country had two colonial periods. Mind if I suggest renaming it to The American Colonial Period or The Thirteen American Colonies as to make it specific to the US colonial period?
UPDATE: Crowner for Alternative names HERE
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UPDATE 2: Related thread HERE
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openMeta WMG
There is this long WMG added by Excelsior123 to the Teen Titans Go page
that looks more like it is theorising about Cartoon Network than the show itself. Should it be removed?
openInappropriate Armchair Diagnoses on ST Discovery pages Live Action TV
Hi... UGH! I've been tempted to make a couple edits to the Star Trek Discovery pages... in particular the various, rather un-clinical claims that Cadet Tilly's "special needs" are "code for some form of Autism." But I thought doing so would touch off an editing war, so I'm bringing it here.
I am a veteran of 8 years in Autism services and I find these armchair diagnoses very frustrating. I don't think "Ambiguous Disorder" would be inappropriate to list on the character page or the main page in reference to Tilly, but 1) for context, it's clear her "special needs" have to do with allergies, this was estalbished in the first ep where she appears. 2) Being socially awkward in itself is NOT enough to make a clinical diagnosis of Autism. 3) I wouldn't care so much about this if it didn't come off like a bunch of amateurs offering armchair diagnosis of "Autism" based on a character who is socially awkward and sometimes blurts odd things out, and 4) if I didn't think that this contributed to a serious public misunderstanding of Autism and to problems created where persons in online subcultures relentlessly self-diagnose (and try to justify behavior they know is inappropriate by appealing to their clinically uninformed self-diagnosis.)
As someone trained to assess for and diagnose Autism, who can genuinely speak from an expert opinion on this subject, I see ZERO traits of Autism in Tilly. The armchair overdiagnosis is, no pun intended, a "symptom of a broader disease" that we in social work are trying to bring attention to: the problem of "over-medicalization" or "over-pathologization." If Tilly presented with significant sensory or communication challenges, I'd be more open to other tropers' armchair diagnoses, but there is ZERO clinical basis for the claim that Tilly "offers a more realistic portrayal of Autism" than actual intended portrayals of Autism in other media that have actually been established by "Word of God" and/or in canon, in-universe (IE Max in Parenthood), or implied much more directly by other observed behaviors (like Holtzman in the new "Ghostbusters.")
Sorry, guys, but as an expert in Autism, I don't see it. The truth about behavioral health is that lots of people can be socially awkward at times without requiring a mental health diagnosis to justify human diversity.
Can we please be more judicious about this on the Star Trek Discovery pages? For the sake of not over-pathologizing/over-medicalizing the degree to which social skills vary in human beings even without Autism? Can we PLEASE stop labeling every character in fiction who sometimes struggles with social skills as "Autistic?" Or at least acknowledge this could be YMMV and link to Useful Notes: Autism for a more clinically informed persepective/comparison?
I apologize if this strikes a nerve with Trek fans who themselves have Autism and want to believe Tilly is Autistic too because it's positive to see someone who reminds them of themselves on a Federation Starship. But that's still wishful thinking that has yet to be directly behaviorally implied or confirmed by "Word of God" and there's even a lot of evidence that Tilly is not supposed to have Autism in-universe.
Edited by FTDopenThis new troper here Anime
So I got a notification on my watchlist that the Characters.Naruto Team Eight Members character page was modified. I checked it out and saw that Rich 4 (he shows up as a "NEW ACCOUNT" on my watchlist) added Dandere to Hinata's section. However, while Hinata does fit the Dandere trope based on its description and Laconic and Playing With pages, the entry itself written by Rich 4 over-exaggerates Hinata's fainting tendencies—she faints only twice in the manga a.k.a. in Canon, while she faints a lot in the anime filler which is non-canon, the Rock Lee SD spin-off which is also non-canon, and a lot of Fanfics which are, well, fanon. So Rich 4 wrote false/exaggerated information in that example.
I want to fix the entry, but I don't want to cause an Edit War. Would my fixing the entry cause an Edit War? I just want to make sure before I do anything. Any advice would be very much appreciated.
Here is Rich 4's edit history: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=Rich4
Here is the Characters.Naruto Team Eight Members edit history: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Characters.NarutoTeamEightMembers
openSpoilers on Fan-Fic pages
Damn it, why aren't Fanfictions a category here?
Anyways, should the pages for fanfictions spoiler-tag spoilers for the original work when they don't concern the fanfic itself?
openMisuse of Fridge
JackDavid has been re-adding
what I think are invalid Fridge Horror examples on this page.
As I understand it, and how the Fridge Horror page reads, the idea is it's when something horrific happened or must have happened in the background, without the work itself explicitly saying so.
Jack David's entries are what-ifs, in the vein of, "If the villain won, she would have done this." It's speculation at best, and doesn't fit the description of Fridge Horror.
I've removed his entries a couple times, and he keeps putting them back. He's seen the edit reasons for them and responded to them, so I do not think P Ming him will do anything about it.
openComicBook/ to Characters/ cleanup Print Comic
As has been discussed many times here and on the forums, there are several character pages for the DC and Marvel universes masquerading as work pages in the Comic Book/ (or occasionally Self-Demonstrating/) namespace. Before I take this into the forums (most likely Short Term Projects), I'd like to address a few points from the last discussion and see if anyone has any major objections.
The last discussion was here
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My official proposal is:
Change the ComicBook/ pages for characters without a series into Characters/ pages or entries on a Characters/ folder. If the character has a series, the page can remain, but it has to be about the series, not the character.
To give a few examples:
- ComicBook.Booster Gold becomes a page for his series, with his character tropes moved to Characters.Justice League International (currently a redirect to a Justice League of America subpage at the stupidly-long name of Justice League of America: Justice League International)
- Cyclops has had only a handful of title appearances: Two one-shots, a miniseries, and a solo series that we already trope at Cyclops (2014). Nothing particularly important happens in the one-shots or miniseries and every trope present is about the character and not the series, so the page can be moved outright to Characters.X Men Cyclops (with the stuff that doesn't belong on a Characters page removed.)
- The several pages for Batman villains become part of the Batman character index under Characters.Batman Rogues Gallery.
- In the interest of concision and not appearing overly unwieldy, those that get entire pages to themselves would be named something like Characters.DCU The Joker or Characters.Batman The Joker instead of some long name such as Characters.Batman Rogues Gallery The Joker.
Characters can only have one "primary" character entry, to avoid splitting their tropes across multiple pages.
- Example: Cassie Lang is a member of the Young Avengers and The Avengers, was a major character in Astonishing Ant-Man, and made a few supporting appearances in other comics. Her character tropes would go on Characters.Young Avengers, with the character pages for Avengers: 2000s Members and Astonishing Ant-Man (should it ever exist) linking there.
For Characters/ pages for specific series, the main characters can have separate entries for their appearances in only that series, but established side characters and cameos from the existing universe shouldn't have their own entries unless they have significant focus or Character Development.
- Example: Robin Series's main character is Tim/Robin, so he can have a unique entry for his characterization in only that series, separate from his entry on Characters.Robin.
If there are related series starring the same character under multiple titles and we are unwilling/unable to use either title, the ComicBook/ page can be named after the character.
This is just making what we already do official. I'm only mentioning this because of the complaints about ComicBook.Carol Danvers, which is that page's name because ComicBook.Ms Marvel and ComicBook.Captain Marvel (redirects to Main/) are both disambiguation pages and disambiguating by year would cause confusion.
Character tropes still have to move, however.
Establish pages/indexes at Characters.Marvel Villains and Characters.DCU Villains. This is a solution for the Rogues' Gallery Transplant problem, as well as introducing a place to put "universe-wide" villains such as Superboy-Prime, M.O.D.O.K., or Thanos.
openProblematic Entry?
On the YMMV page for Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, there's this entry, which rubs me the wrong way somehow, but I can't articulate why:
- * Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Darryl in Season 3. He decides, for no apparent reason, that he absolutely must have another child, breaking up with his boyfriend and leaving him heartbroken when he doesn't want to go along with it. Note here that it's not that Darryl is worried about never getting to experience fatherhood - he already has a daughter who he's got a great relationship with, it's just that for some reason he must have another, something the show expects us to be fully on board with. Large parts of a season otherwise devoted to serious and thought-provocing topics are wasted by making us watch Darryl angst over his non-problems. Rebecca and Heather both suffer for enabling him (in Rebecca's case, he indirectly caused the unhappy ending of the season because he didn't consider that letting a woman who was recovering from a mental illness go on hormones might not be the best idea) while he makes it all about himself at every turn. And in the end, it looks like he'll come out of it smelling like a rose and probably even get his boyfriend back, because Babies Make Everything Better.
It seems overly negative, or maybe just a too-specific take that relies on personal feelings towards kids?
openResistance episodes Western Animation
Hi. Not that long ago, I asked for several Star Wars Resistance recap pages to be cut as they appeared to be the wrong episode number (The Children from Tehar, Signal from Sector Six, Synara's Score, The Platform Classic). However, more recent information has come to light that the initial episode numbers were correct, and so I find myself in the awkward position of requesting that the pages be able to be recreated.
Here ([1]
, [2]
, [3]
, [4]
) are the relevant Wookieepedia articles of the episodes in question, with links to the recently released information.
openTrueCapitalist Radio
Should We Have This? The subject of the page is a blatant enough racist to have a gab.ai account, and the page itself can't seem to decide whether it's a bizarre parody, an ED/KF-ish hit piece on a "lolcow", or an actual, proper work page.
Edited by lee4hmzresolved Self-Demonstrating redirect
ComicBook.Superboy Prime is currently a redirect to SelfDemonstrating.Superboy Prime. Is this allowed?
openDisgust Tropes possibly needs editing.
The intro clearly states that it's about the emotion itself and not tropes that evoke the emotion, but tropes are added to it such as Nature Tinkling and Vomit Indiscretion Shot.

The page history for CASUAL+Y seems like it was moved from another page in 2013, do we know what page it was previously on and if we have that page's history?
I ask this because there are some entries on the page and subpages about an actress called Amy Wren who was an extra on the show, and they seem like they were added by the actress herself (all complimentary and link to her professional website).
If this is the case, it seems like at least the subpage examples should be removed, because it's a creator about their work and themselves. Still, I feel like the main page entries should go, too, because of how self-aggrandising they are. With a full page history, it would be easier to see who added them and determine if it is the actress.