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openCan my page be moved to the "Creators" namespace...? Music
Um okay, so a while ago somebody made a page on me: TurretBot
Which is fine, keep the page, I don't care. I don't want to disrespect The Fic May Be Yours, but the Trope Page Is Ours, I only did one edit to correct a few factual errors, that's it, and I don't plan to edit the page for any more than that... But I want the namespace changed. The page is currently under "Music", and it should be under "Creators".
"Turret Bot" is NOT a work. That's just my username. And, I do things other than music (the page conveniently leaves out my non-music stuff, but I can post links if you want proof). For all that, I believe the page should really be moved to "Creators"...
So can someone please move the page to Turret Bot for me? Since the page is about me, I feel like moving it myself would be crossing the line, I don't want to get in trouble or anything. Ok that's all. Thanks in advance...
openBanned user BornOfSelf is back for... how many goddamn times has this been?
Which Doobie UB is, judging by the edits, another bornofself account, and based on the posting timeframe, this was a clear sleeper account for whenever they got one banned. Someone wanna nuke this one from orbit?
openLighter and Softer
Its laconic page say "An adaptation which is much lighter in tone than its source material." which sound like the trope is exclusively about adaption. But the trope page itself say that "This can either happen to a show over time[...]" which suggest that it can happen in single work.
So which one is right? If it's indeed adaption-exclusive trope, then I'm afraid that we have massive clean up task waiting.
openEmerald141
So first thing is first: Homestuck has an epilogue now: The Homestuck Epilogues. It's important to note that these are official.
Well, Emerald141 added some really salty entries on the YMMV page, including an entry for Canon Defilement and an entry for Broken Base. I clipped off the salt, but they readded the Canon Defilement entry with this reasoning:
"My sense of betrayal is real and valid, and shared by a significant portion of the fandom. I am aware that this feeling is hardly shared by everyone; that's why it's YMMV. Please do not trivialize my emotions or the emotions of everyone else who was wounded by the epilogues. You are entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to work through my frustration in a way that keeps myself safe."
I probably should have mentioned in my deletion the Canon Defilement is only for fan works (I mean, it's stylized like a Fan Fic, but it is official and was written by the original author), but still.
Edit: They also readded entry under CharacterDerailment.Webcomics that I deleted with the reasoning that the changes do have some justification. They readded it with the explanation:
"I am aware that there is an explanation given in-universe. I, and many others, do not believe that this explanation is appropriate or satisfactory, and it felt like a betrayal and a punch to the gut. This is a YMMV item, which means that if a significant portion of the fanbase feels the same way, it can be added. Please do not trivialize my feelings or the feelings of everyone else who feels the same."
Edited by SatoshiBakuraopenAndTheFandomRejoiced / KidIcarus
I intend to cut AndTheFandomRejoiced.Kid Icarus since the only correct example (others were not pre-release announcements so misused) is the announcement of the game itself, which is covered under AndTheFandomRejoiced.Nintendo.
Any objections?
For future reference is there a dedicated thread for discussing page cuts?
Edited by Ferot_DreadnaughtopenIndvidual pages for Trails of Cold Steel games.
Ok, so I noticed that The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel page has tropes from all four of its currently available games listed altogether. I feel that this is starting to become a mess on its own, so I think each game in the Trails of Cold Steel series needs to have their own individual pages to sort out their respective tropes.
I would like to request this change for two reasons;
First, Trails of Cold Steel I was just recently re-released on the PlayStation 4 with II coming just around the corner in May. In addition, III is currently being localized and will release sometime this fall. With the amount of new releases this year, it will no doubt bring a lot of newcomers to the pages, so I think it will be really helpful for newcomers to the games if they're not confused to the jumbled mess of tropes from later games they haven't even played yet.
Second, it reduces the risk of spoiler exposure from later games. The main issue I have with the current page are its heavy spoilers from all games, especially those that are yet to be localized. I think the current setup will only discourage newcomers from actively contributing to the page (myself included), so by creating new pages, spoilers can be kept at a minimum and only exclusive to their respective games.
So what do you think? I would just use the main page to list general tropes present throughout the series while game-specific tropes can be moved to their respective pages.
Edited by DivineFlame100openTropesInPinballGames mess of an index
Tropes in Pinball Games is listed as an index, but the page itself is some weird hybrid of simple tropes for that index and multi-bullet-point examples.
Since the entire page is marked as an index, it all gets pulled onto the same index.
So for example, there's actual intentional tropes like Pinball Scoring followed by a Creator Page (Gottlieb) and all throughout the article there's examples of a trope occurring within a work, so that work gets indexed as well (so there's tons of actual Pinball work pages on the index like Shrek).
How would we disentangle this? Just chop/merge all those secondary bullet points?
Edited by DarkarosopenShould "motion comics" really be lumped under Limited Animation?
Title is self-explanatory: currently, Sequential Art directs anybody looking for motion comics to Limited Animation, where they are (briefly) discussed under the Comic Books folder, but I feel like that's lumping two largely separate phenomena together.
openStrike Witches YMMV page Anime
Just noticed that the broken base section of strike witches has a massive paragraph that, to my knowledge, belongs in base breaking character and also has a ton of natter. I genuinely think it should be cleaned up. The section I refer to is:
However as far as Hikari goes their has been some occasional disengagements of wither she is an actually good, fleshed out character in her own right that is distinct from Yoshika or if she's just "Yoshika 2.0" (the latter group seems to have mostly died off post release of Brave Witches and even even those few hold outs are as visible and seem to not have sufficient thesis to back such claims up). An additional point of contention with fans is wither Yoshika herself actually is or isn't a Mary Sue. Those who argue she isn't is due to the fact that while Yoshika's magic powers are of greater potential then average; they were unrefined and untrained and Yoshika was faced with sufficient challenges and had to work hard to improve her control of her magic and training as air infantry to become as competent and then as badass as the rest of the 501st, as well as the fact that nothing about Yoshika's magic was not outside of the the ordinary or expected of witches magic in the series. Those who claim she is a Mary Sue argue more to her idealistic personality and the fact her magic returned to her by the end of the movie; however the former tends to be a rather dubious argument and a counterargument to the latter is that witches are known to experience draining of their magical stamina whenever they exert themselves and their magic and thus require time to recuperate with food,water and rest and only older witches seem to experience various degrees of magical entropy or outright loss; and given that at the end of Season 2 Yoshika was still in her prime magically speaking and used a magical sword technique that she barely had enough proper sword training for and how no real magical training done for; it caused her to do the magical equivalent of pulling a muscle and needed a much longer period of time to recover the magical stamina, and likely didn't have a chance to test her magic recovery by the time movie came around until the very end in a serious crisis situation and feeling the inspired desire to fly with her friends again.
Edited by RAHDRONopenLinking on the Wiki to Archives of Cut Pages
I'm not sure about whether this is kosher or not (or addressed in policy somewhere), so I'm bringing it here.
Augusto added an archive link to Rational Wiki that leads to an archive of our old Conservapedia page. (Courtesy Links: Rational Wiki history,
archived page,
and Augusto's history
)
The page was cut via the Website clean-up project (link to the call to cut
).
I would think that this is circumventing the cut.
To be clear, I'm saying that:
- A page was cut via consensus of the websites clean-up thread.
- The page was archived.
(Not itself an issue, imo.)
- The archive is linked to on this Wiki, despite this Wiki having consensus to cut the page.
- This seems to be equivalent to restoring the page, since it's available through a page on the Wiki proper. (Hence my saying it seems to "circumvent the cut.")
idk what do y'all think. Is that kosher or otherwise okay?
Edited by WaterBlapopenDifficulty Figuring Out a Trope Web Original
I have an entry I want to add to In Spite of a Nail but I wasn't sure it counted, due to having a bit of an Entry Pimp habit when it's a series I like a lot, so I'm trying to get it vetted. I haven't had any luck in Trope Talk, either with the Is This an Example Thread or a dedicated thread
on the matter, so I thought I'd try here.
I've only gotten one response on the matter, from Fighteer
, who said that the two worlds/timelines involved seemed to different than was normally allowed under the trope. The question I've been pondering since is, isn't that the point? My understanding of the trope is that despite the differences involved between two universes or real life and the fictional setting, certain significant events still occur more or less the same? I've gone through a few versions, but this is the most recent version of the entry.
Any and all help is appreciated.
- In the Red Panda Adventures episode "The World Next Door" and its Sequel Episode, "A Dish Best Served Cold" a time traveler from an Alternate Timeline's World War II named Baboon McSmoothie convinces the Depression era Red Panda to help him steal the prototype of an invention that would one day become a major part of the Nazi war effort by offering him the case file of a Villain Team-Up that killed his Red Panda's Flying Squirrel. It's noted in-universe that there are enough differences between the two worlds, such as the Red Panda's costume being different, the alternate Flying Squirrel being a teenage boy instead of an adult woman, and three out of five members of the Villain Team-Up being either Gender Flipped or having different identities entirely, that neither the Red Panda nor McSmoothie are sure how much, if any, of the file's information will be relevant. Despite these differences, the conference the prototype was to be displayed at, the Villain Team-Up, and eventually World War II itself, all occur across both timelines. The conference in particular is part of the reason the main universe was picked for McSmoothie's heist in the first place, besides avoiding a Temporal Paradox.
openMoving the Dark Matter TV series and its subpages Live Action TV
Just bugs me: why was the Dark Matter TV series moved, and not in its entirety? The WMG, dedicated entirely to the series (as opposed to the neglected RPG system) was left with the old name, and the move itself happened last weekend.
open A lot of issues with the most recent edits on ShipTease/AnimeAndManga. Anime
I have noticed that there are a lot of issues with the most recent edits in Anime & Manga of the Ship Tease page, based on its History
, specifically with the most recent edits for Naruto and One Piece. There are very long-winded entries, non-neutral wording employed, adding information that has long since been firmly denied by the original creators themselves, showing shipping bias towards ships that aren't canon and against ships that are canon, grammar issues, not ending the entries on a clear definitive concluding note, and overall initiating an Edit War.
The reason why this all concerns me is because *I* displayed those very same issues myself before I got banned, and now that I know everything that I did wrong, I feel that these edits really do show everything that I just explained, the things I had problems with previously. These most recent edits display the problems as shown in these Administrivia articles: Sink Hole, Conversation in the Main Page, Righting Great Wrongs, Word Cruft, How to Write an Example, Edit Reasons and Why You Should Use Them, and Handling Spoilers.
Personally, I want to revert those edits back to how they were originally written most recently before they got ruined, because those previous edits didn't add excessive information that really didn't need to be added. All of those previous edits didn't display any shipping bias or at least showed as little as possible, gave evidence to back up what was written, and each entry ended on a clear definitive concluding note. However, I don't know how to do that without causing an Edit War myself. How would I go about reverting all of those edits back and explaining that "I am reverting back to the original edits because the most recent edits caused an Edit War and showed a lot of problems that violated proper editing etiquette," in a concise neutral Edit Reason, without causing an Edit War?
Please know that I am not trying to pick a fight, and this is the first time I'm using Ask The Tropers, so I'm not completely familiar with ATT just yet. However, I do know that asking for this troper to be banned is not the right answer, and that is not what I am asking anyways. My main point is, I just noticed that the most recent edits done by that troper showed those very same problems that I myself had before I got banned, and because those are big warning signs that I did not know about until I got banned, those edits need to be dealt with or fixed/reverted as a result.
Lastly, as a side note, I still see links to scanlations in that trope page. Those need to be deleted because links to scanlations are not permitted. They are illegal and therefore need to be deleted. I plan on getting rid of those myself, though, since I made that same mistake myself and am in the process of getting rid of all the links I've ever inserted, so the main issues I have with the edits in this page (issues which I wrote about above) are what I'm more focused on here.
Edited by mouschilightopenPossible Edit War
The troper Solfeggietto vandalising the Arrowverse Characters page in the Iris West entry, and this isn't the first time they've done it. After Barry proposed to Iris during the third season, they deleted anything that referenced Iris being intelligent, a part of Team Flash, nice, or being loved by Barry, and replaced them with lies (you'll have to click on the history of the page to see this) and a LOT of subjective opinion. I put them back and asked them not to use subjective opinion. A few weeks ago, they did the same thing, but again, I changed it back by pointing to examples on the show. The user has just done it once more, again without real justification and ignoring the show and the narrative itself. It's clear that for whatever reason they don't like Iris because they're ignoring examples that are on the show. I don't want to start an edit war and I've contacted them privately to see if they want to discuss it (they haven't responded yet), but I wanted to ask whether I should do anything else? I didn't put the example back because I feel we'd just get into an argument, but they're using the page incorrectly.
EDIT: here's the page
. Also, I apologise if I ALREADY contributed to the Edit War, and I'm fine if need to be suspended for it. I just want the page to be used correctly and I was aware that I was close to making the problem worse.
openPossibly an edit war
On YMMV.Metroid Samus Returns, Waxing Name added an invalid Broken Base entry to it despite the game only just coming out. Ymir deleted it because of this, but then Waxing readded it with the reasoning that "Ridley does come out of nowhere", giving the impression that he's just speaking for himself.
The history: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.MetroidSamusReturns
openExcessive bumbing?
Am I the only one who's thinking that bumping of threads has gone a bit out of hand lately? I've seen examples where threads have been bumped after just a couple of hours of inactivity.
It seems people are worried that if a thread scrolls of the page in their web browser, nobody will see it. Is this really the case? I tend to scroll down until I find a thread that hasn't changed since last I read it. And I'm sure the mods do so as well, so as not to miss any important stuff.
Am I being overly sensitive here? Perhaps, but please consider that the current frequent bumping can actually aggravate the (perceived) problem and even be self-reinforcing, because every bumped thread pushes everything else down, and then somebody will bump a thread that just went off the bottom of the page, and so on...
openKirby Characters reorganization Videogame
The character pages for the Kirby series (link here
) have been going through a lot of restructuring recently. Where we originally had one page for every villain and boss, we now have four pages: Villainous Factions (for major villains that are part of a group), Other Major Antagonists (for major villains that are independent), Recurring Bosses (for bosses that make repeat appearances throughout the series), and Other Bosses (for bosses that have only appeared once or twice). There’s also a page for characters specific to Kirby’s Return to Dream Land, which has been seen as unnecessary by myself and a few others for a while. Someone else has already removed any character from the Return to Dream Land page that can be found on another page. All that’s left on the game’s page are one-off bosses. I’d like to move these entries to the Other Bosses page and get rid of the Return to Dream Land page entirely, but I’m certain the Other Bosses page will become too long if I do. Should I split the page again? Remove any characters that only have two or three tropes attached to them? Leave these pages as-is?
open Esoteric Happy Ending example? Film
"* Frozen ends on a supposedly happy note with Anna and Elsa finally reunited after 13 years of separation, Elsa learning to feel again and learn to control her powers, and the citizens completely adoring their new queen of Arendelle. However, even though Anna and Elsa do reconcile with each other, it still doesn't change the fact that they lost all the potential childhood they could have with each other for nothing and due to not knowing the other during that time, they are essentially complete strangers and have to restart their relationship completely from scratch, particularly when things are so much more complicated in their adulthood than they do as children which makes a close bond between them uncertain. There also the fact that even though Elsa managed to control her powers through love, depression and trauma doesn't really go away overnight and due to having spent a really long time in isolation, it would only be time before she reverts to her old habits again, especially since Anna has never been informed the reason why Elsa isolated herself in the first place meaning that even her sister wouldn't be able to help her from depression. Furthermore, a sudden change in weather and an Endless Winter for three days must surely brought some casualties for the citizens either by hypothermia or famine and given the fact that the queen's response to the whole thing is to abandon her kingdom, she certainly doesn't make a good first impression in front of the citizen and would likely have a lot of people out for her blood compared to Hans whose first action as the new king is to them blanket for cover and is supposedly trying to execute the witch for the goodness of the kingdom. It's also been established that Weselton is Arendelle's largest trading partner and by having Elsa cut all ties, it leaves the kingdom hard-pressed to find another close trading partner and given Elsa's actions during the coronation, it is very unlikely that other kingdoms would even trust their new queen to open up a new trading partner, leaving the kingdom in great turmoil. Realistically, it could actually take years, if not decades for them to fix almost all the issues listed above and it is very likely that another trouble could prove even more irrepairable damage on both the kingdom and the sister's relationship. On another issue, Hans being sent back to his family is supposed to be seen as merciful fate where everyone agree that its for his best except that by sending him back home, he is sent back to his abusive family where they would undoubtedly bully him even more, with the implication that he will never be able to escape from his terrible life, unlike Anna."
Is this an example or people reading way too into things?
Edited by lalalei2001openInternet Backdraft on Httyd
There's some dispute with another user regarding Httyd 3 who doesn't think Internet Backdraft is a trope that should be there. They're arguing that said backdraft is based on "skewed opinions" and shouldn't be there, but honestly, the fandom's completely eating itself right now and I really think that's worth some kind of mention. Thoughts?

I've just made this edit to Tomb Raider, changing :
to:
I'm checking to ensure this makes sense - I'm doing a wick check of this trope and trying to give every entry where Alternate Continuity is used a bit more detail so that readers can tell how it is an Alternate Continuity to the original.
Edited by Merseyuser1